ZGD: Livin by a thread.

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

If G&W retreats after hitting Zeldas shield with bair.....he can't be punished. If he spaces fair properly on her shield.....he can't be punished. If G&W hits you with any of the hits of his bair.....Zelda is popped up into the air. G&W DESTROYS Zelda when she is above him. His uair alone makes this matchup terrible for her forcing her into positions where he wants her and she can't do anything about it. Her mobility is terrible and G&W can run circles around her.

Ftilt is not reliable for stopping bair....actually try to do that on a consistent basis and you'll maybe do it 2/10 times if you're lucky. I'm not sure whether or not his dtilt outranges Zelda but it's insanely difficult to punish. His smashes also kill Zelda around 70 if charged which they usually will be.

You should i dunno......try playing the matchup sometime?

I do play the MU. I wanted to hear your opinion on the MU. Fair is laggy DA should be able to punish it. It doesn't matter if his dtilt out ranges Zelda out not it clanks with Zelda's dtilt and hers is faster. If he's retreating with bairs then you don't even need to worry about it especially on his shield. You don't need to punish everything people do to your shield. When you find the opportunity to punish you punish and G&W fair on shield would be one of those opportunities. Also I find nair to be more of a pain then uair.

It doesn't matter how many options Zelda covers when she can't cover Gdub's MAIN option.

I'm going to reject anything you have to say until you go into detail No generic non sense please. It's not productive nor does it help anyone. If you want to go into details about G&W main tool against Zelda then that's fine.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

Hey wait, you're in Cleveland.

I'm in Oberlin.

That's less than an hour away.

HINT HINT.



Also I went to a smashfest today for the first time in over a year... and I tried to play with Zelda but got frustrated. Played Pikachu and I just... what.

Why in the hell did I ever play Zelda?

i would consider this if i had a good means of transportation.

im dying to play someone who's not just rolly........

Fighting games are about zoning and spacing, things G&W can do with relative ease to Zelda while remaining completely safe.

sounds like typical Zelda problems to me

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

You don't need to punish everything people do to your shield.

I don't know much about Zelda, but this is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard. If you don't punish, they'll keep doing it, and eventually, either your shield breaks, or it gets poked. Kind of a lose-lose if you ask me.

And isn't trading hits with Usmash generally a bad idea for Zelda?

 

[KayLo!]

I don't know much about Zelda, but this is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard. If you don't punish, they'll keep doing it, and eventually, either your shield breaks, or it gets poked. Kind of a lose-lose if you ask me.

You can always run/roll/jump away..... I think that might've been AL's point. Trying to punish everything OOS is pretty dumb, especially when characters like G&W have moves that're safe on shield. Trying to punish will only get you hit.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

I don't know much about Zelda, but this is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard. If you don't punish, they'll keep doing it, and eventually, either your shield breaks, or it gets poked. Kind of a lose-lose if you ask me.

And isn't trading hits with Usmash generally a bad idea for Zelda?

Even if they throw out a move, I don't have to punish it. Right away. My first priority should be am I able to punish. You can't really just throw out moves with Zelda and hope to get there. A lot of her moves her a lot of cool down and a whiffed attack is 1000x worse then my shield getting poked. I also like to have my opponent think that the moves he's doing are safe so that I can punish. Also if your shield is about to break I suggest you get the hell out of there reset your position and grab the ledge or something. Also what kaylo said. Just remember with Zelda while her moves come out fast there's going to be lag on the back end on them and a whiffed move is pretty prob one of the worst things for a Zelda except for like whiffed dtilt. Also her grab is 12 frames =/ I don't know why they did this to her. Shorten the cool down time on all of her moves besides jab and fsmash lower the start up time on her grab jab and fsmash and Zelda would be an amazing character. However, where stuck with a characters who's laggy and can't afford to whiff in their punishes.

Trading hits ts not ideal however, sometimes you gotta make sacrifices and take the good with the bad. If in a perfect world I could get all my ideal situation with Zelda I would love it. Zelda Usmash should beat it his Dair but sometimes they will trade. It's pretty weird. So I'd rather take the little damage I can get there and hopefully next time get it to work in my favor. Also I'd like to point out that utilt trades with it also which is a hella better. I actually been trying to take advantage of utilt more in trades because of the knockback and it will always hit because of it's transcendent priority definitely something that works every now and again a little clutch trick ya know?

 

[KayLo!]

Well, trading with usmash is almost always a bad idea unless you trade with the last hit.

It does 1% (if it's fairly fresh) and doesn't send them anywhere. You'll end up taking much more damage than they do, depending on the move they used.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Well, trading with usmash is almost always a bad idea unless you trade with the last hit.

It does 1% (if it's fairly fresh) and doesn't send them anywhere. You'll end up taking much more damage than they do, depending on the move they used.

IDC i'm throwing the Usmash out 100% of the time on just about anyone that tries to come at me from the air. I may use utilt if they're in kill range though.

 

[-Mars-]

thats incredibly stupid.

 

[MrEh]

Everything makes sense now. lol

 

[KayLo!]

I can't save you on this one, AL. ;;

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

thats incredibly stupid.

Everything makes sense now. lol

Whats incredible stupid ?I can't tell what you're talking about by your generic post. So i'll just reject anything you have to say. Can you tell me what is stupid or why it's stupid? I could think that you're talking about what the spooken effect said. So pleease clear it up. I'm tired of your vague and ambiguous generalized statements. Since this applys to both of you guys i'll just respond iwth this one post. Although I know Mr.Eh will only come back with a one liner. I look forward to your response Mars then maybe we can have some sort of discussion. Instead of me posting my opinion and getting respond by vague and ambiguous question. That does nothing for me or helps anyone to understand anything.



LoL @ kaylo I got this.

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

IDC i'm throwing the Usmash out 100% of the time on just about anyone that tries to come at me from the air. I may use utilt if they're in kill range though.

I have this sudden urge to play you.......and Dair camp you........with Dedede.......and I picture it going very well for me...........

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

I have this sudden urge to play you.......and Dair camp you........with Dedede.......and I picture it going very well for me...........

That's fine I'll just throw din's at you on the other side of the stage. It's not as though d3 can force me to approach. I also said just about...anytime someone tries to approach me from the air. I'm going to throw out the usmash.

 

[KayLo!]

It's not that simple, though. Zelda's usmash has great vertical range, but there are still aerial moves that outrange it..... or that trade well enough that it's worth it for them.

Or they can bait it and punish since it has a looot of cooldown.

Throwing it out all willy nilly when someone's coming at you from the air is . (I finally have an icon for it!!!!)

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

It's not that simple, though. Zelda's usmash has great vertical range, but there are still aerial moves that outrange it..... or that trade well enough that it's worth it for them.

Or they can bait it and punish since it has a looot of cooldown.

Throwing it out all willy nilly when someone's coming at you from the air is . (I finally have an icon for it!!!!)

I'm not going to throw it out there if let's say marth is using his Fair but if G&W is going to sit there and try to key me I'll throw it out every single time with out hesitation.

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

That's fine I'll just throw din's at you on the other side of the stage. It's not as though d3 can force me to approach.

OK, new plan. I'm gonna grab you, pummel once, let you go, then PShield/sidestep every fireball you send in my direction for 8 minutes.

 

[MrEh]

What Gdub actually tries to Key people as an approach?

lolololol

 

[Xyro77]

I wanna go to WHOBO............

Start saving up now(but aside 7-10$ a week) and u guarantee you will have enough for whobo

 

[SuSa]

Xyro searches WHOBO on a daily basis, I'm sure of it. [If you searched this, please respond Xyro so I know not to mention it, or to change it in some way as to make your life easier]

That being said, I think it's awesome he takes the time out of his schedule to hype up and draw attention to WHOBO and attending. He puts a lot of effort into getting as many people to come as possible, I think that's great.

:leek:

 

[-Mars-]

yea i like xyro hope to meet him someday.

 

[Xyro77]

Xyro searches WHOBO on a daily basis, I'm sure of it. [If you searched this, please respond Xyro so I know not to mention it, or to change it in some way as to make your life easier]

That being said, I think it's awesome he takes the time out of his schedule to hype up and draw attention to WHOBO and attending. He puts a lot of effort into getting as many people to come as possible, I think that's great.

:leek:

whahahahahahhahahaahahahaah

Yea i search 3 main things: WHOBO HOBO XYRO. Then if i get bored ill search for the billions of ways people purposely misspell my name(EX: xy;ro x/yro/zero...ect) so that they can trash talk me without me name searching.......little do they know i find out about it anyway.

As for WHOBO, i know it will already be bigger than the last 2 years its just i want it to hit 200. That is my goal. So if i name search whobo and see talk about it, i MUST answer. Im sorry if its annoying.

yea i like xyro hope to meet him someday.

Yea man it would be pretty cool to see you too. Come to WHOBO or any HOBO and we can hang. I have OOS players come in ALL the time.

 

[SuSa]

whahahahahahhahahaahahahaah

Yea i search 3 main things: WHOBO HOBO XYRO. Then if i get bored ill search for the billions of ways people purposely misspell my name(EX: xy;ro x/yro/zero...ect) so that they can trash talk me without me name searching.......little do they know i find out about it anyway.

As for WHOBO, i know it will already be bigger than the last 2 years its just i want it to hit 200. That is my goal. So if i name search whobo and see talk about it, i MUST answer. Im sorry if its annoying..

WHOBO <-- so you can respond.

You aren't annoying, I just see you everywhere. I actually think it's cool because I don't know a single other TO who puts forwarth as much effort as you have shown in advertising and working out plans with people to attend your tournament.

It's going to be **** awesome considering it doubles as an Anime Expo. <333

:leek:

 

[Xyro77]

Heck yea i cant wait! its 140 something days away though

 

[Zigsta]

I namesearch Xyro to trash talk him in the random threads he goes to.

 

[SuSa]

Thats just hilarious+made of win Zigsta.. hahaha

:leek:

 

[IsmaR]

I namesearch 'namesearch' to think of things to say and not to raise my post count at all.

 

[ぱみゅ]

I loved your avi, IsmaR... Is that a Ledian gijinka?

 

[IsmaR]

Kinda, or so I'd think. It reminds me of the Great Saiyaman at the same time.

 

[Xyless]

So yeah, I've been working on a character art project, which has been fun. Anyways, it's possible that at least one of you will know what I'm talking about. So...yeah, here's Zelda.

*note: made a black background instead of a white like I normally do because she is pale.)

 

[IsmaR]

Melee Zelda's eyebrows make me teehee

 

[JigglyZelda003]

So yeah, I've been working on a character art project, which has been fun. Anyways, it's possible that at least one of you will know what I'm talking about. So...yeah, here's Zelda.

*note: made a black background instead of a white like I normally do because she is pale.)

im stealing this red on lol

how was everyones halloween?

 

[ぱみゅ]

how was everyones halloween?

We had an awesome costume party.
I bought a candy bag and had lots of fun.

 

[KayLo!]

For people who only check the social:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=290399

Lol @those costumes.

& I FINALLY got Unwound Future. I can breathe now.

 

[Kataefi]

I went as a giant pumpkin for halloween. It wasn't practical, I can tell you that.

Also I've recently been playing old dos games that, honestly, are AMAZZZING. I'm playing Quest for Glory 1 atm but just finished King's Quest 3.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

MINT BERRY CRRRRRRRRRUNCH!!!!



Okay so I've been RIDIC busy, but I know there are a few members who need me to add them to the front page. I'll get to it this weekend, but if those users want to repost their info right now, it'll be a lot easier for me to find it.

 

[Fluttershy]

Location: northern Maryland
Tournament: only went to two unofficial school tournaments but would like to go to a close official tournament
Teammates: none
Type of Zelda: all except old hair Zelda
Sheik: yes (she is my former best)
Others: everyone that is playable

here is mine

 

[JigglyZelda003]

i would like a social title change, if Shedgy can get to that after adding users :3

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

i would like a social title change, if Shedgy can get to that after adding users :3

what kind of title were you thinking of?

 

[Meru.]

here is mine

SORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

woohooooo

 

[JigglyZelda003]

what kind of title were you thinking of?

can't think of anything atm, my brain powers all being drained by my art assignments :L