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Zero Suit Samus Questions & Answers
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James Sparrow
Smash Master
yeah, also allows you to keep tap jump on for shield canceling stuff.
I just have L set to jump.
C-stick is better because then you can do things like fast-fall uairs, move forward while doing a bair, move backwards while doing a fair, etc.
James Sparrow
Smash Master
lol, that's pretty gosu. i just use default controllers because i know how antsy i get when people are screwing around with their controls when i just want to get our game done.I just have L set to jump.
FadedImage
Smash Journeyman
omgooses tap jump is so awful for aerial chasing with up-b. It owns me so hard...
Hmm, does anyose else use X or Y for grab? It's so much easier to grab suit pieces and pivot grab with it that way (for me at least).
Also, this just in: b-sticking is lame. d:
oh yeah, and c-stick them aerials, it just feels so much faster for me.
Hmm, does anyose else use X or Y for grab? It's so much easier to grab suit pieces and pivot grab with it that way (for me at least).
Also, this just in: b-sticking is lame. d:
oh yeah, and c-stick them aerials, it just feels so much faster for me.
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
Alot of people tend to dual main ZSS and Zelda. I know Zelda is my secondary.
Luxferre
Smash Apprentice
I hear that ZSS can spike with up B, and it works for me, but mostly I have problem recovering, can someone tell me what to do?
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
Recovering after spiking?
Luxferre
Smash Apprentice
Yes, like for example, a ike is trying to recover, and using the Up B to spike it in to the ground, mostly recovering in one piece is barely possible to me.
I'm just trying it out because I didn't try that one out before.
Normally, I try to either:
1.
Down B and try to hit with the "sex kick"(I read thats the name of it, don´t ask me why..)
That has as far the I've seen if you hit right, also a spike effect.
2.
I wait that at edge and change a down smash to paralzy in the air and to use right after a forward B.
Mostly I try 1. though.
But maybe I should just use it against recovers that are very high (Pit for example) so that I can recover with the whip.
I really don't know, thats why I'm asking here.
I'm just trying it out because I didn't try that one out before.
Normally, I try to either:
1.
Down B and try to hit with the "sex kick"(I read thats the name of it, don´t ask me why..)
That has as far the I've seen if you hit right, also a spike effect.
2.
I wait that at edge and change a down smash to paralzy in the air and to use right after a forward B.
Mostly I try 1. though.
But maybe I should just use it against recovers that are very high (Pit for example) so that I can recover with the whip.
I really don't know, thats why I'm asking here.
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
It shouldn't be that hard if you aren't using your second jump.
Yeah, I always feel bad setting up my controls before a match. I always ask permission if it's a friendly on another person's Wii.
I second Toon Link. It's not so much that he does well with complimenting ZSS's weaknesses. I just use both for the same purpose.
The primary rule of Wire spiking is don't use up your second jump. Try to hit people with the very tip of the whip as you are falling. That will help the best. Then, just DJ back towards the stage. You shouldn't have fallen too far below the stage, so a DJ should be enough to get you back, and if if hasn't, then use another UpB to get you back onstage.
KingK
Smash Apprentice
I was messing around today against the computer and I noticed that when I used the same buttons / controls as if I were doing a glide toss (only without an item in hand), I could repeatedly get ZSS to slide forward a little bit and then throw out her tether for a grab. Kind of a like a... glide grab. She didn't slide forward too much, but enough for the "technique" (if you could call it that ) to be useful.
I'm guessing this has already been discovered? I figured I'd post about this here instead of making a new post and looking foolish.
I'm guessing this has already been discovered? I figured I'd post about this here instead of making a new post and looking foolish.
Adapt
Smash Lord
you can slide forward and grab just by dashing and grabbing
I tried doing a glide toss grab and it didn't work... sure you aren't just dashing?
I tried doing a glide toss grab and it didn't work... sure you aren't just dashing?
KingK
Smash Apprentice
Maybe that was it. I just noticed that it happened when I basically tried to do a glide toss without anything in my hand. Animation wise it doesn't look like she's running, though. It literally looks like she slides forward a little bit and then throws out her tether for a grab.
I tried doing this with Link also (because he also has a tether grab) and it seemed to work as well, though it wasn't as obvious with him.
Edit: I'm almost 100% positive you were right and it's just a dash grab. It just didn't look like it because there's almost no dash animation (dust around the feet etc) and they just slide a bit. But I'm thinking that's just because it's ZSS.
I tried doing this with Link also (because he also has a tether grab) and it seemed to work as well, though it wasn't as obvious with him.
Edit: I'm almost 100% positive you were right and it's just a dash grab. It just didn't look like it because there's almost no dash animation (dust around the feet etc) and they just slide a bit. But I'm thinking that's just because it's ZSS.
Ilucamy
Smash Journeyman
I know what you mean, but it's not a dash grab, it's dashing then doing a shield grab. The previous dash animation mixed with the standing grab animation makes it look like she steps (or slides) forward while grabbing. I'm pretty sure I'm right considering your explanation (and the buttons you pressed).
Arigon
Smash Apprentice
Q: I heard there was a taunt for turning into armored samus from zss. Is this possible and if so what is the frame box i have to hit to do this. Just curious.
A: ???
A: ???
Adapt
Smash Lord
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
You can't switch back to Samus from ZSS. People need to stop asking that.
Davidyor
Smash Apprentice
hey,
i just decided to start with ZSS and now i am looking for videos & strategy articles for help & feedback
what articles do you advise me to read?
another question: what about ZSS' dair? is it a spike? is there a way to cancel it when flying down, because i always die when missing the stage with my dair?
i read something about up+b being a spike? is that true? i guess it works by jumping beyond the opponent and using up+b?
are there any very good ZSS players you advise me to watch their videos?
thanks in advance
me
i just decided to start with ZSS and now i am looking for videos & strategy articles for help & feedback
what articles do you advise me to read?
another question: what about ZSS' dair? is it a spike? is there a way to cancel it when flying down, because i always die when missing the stage with my dair?
i read something about up+b being a spike? is that true? i guess it works by jumping beyond the opponent and using up+b?
are there any very good ZSS players you advise me to watch their videos?
thanks in advance
me
Adapt
Smash Lord
You can find just about everything you are looking for in the links to guides and videos in this topic:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=175185
quick info:
up-B: spikes at the tip of the whip
dair: can't be canceled until the animation finishes, don't use it very often (it's very punishable on the stage, and will kill you off the stage)
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=175185
quick info:
up-B: spikes at the tip of the whip
dair: can't be canceled until the animation finishes, don't use it very often (it's very punishable on the stage, and will kill you off the stage)
kATAlyst
Smash Apprentice
a few questions
is there something better than dsmash>fsmash?
can utilt and dtilt be used interchangeably( except shield stabbing)?
is the crawl useful?
i find myself using down b to approach projectile spammers and i occasionally get punished for it. is there a better way?
i know MK has a serious priority advantage, but can anything break his neutralB or forwardB?
when should nair be used?
sry if this is a lot
is there something better than dsmash>fsmash?
can utilt and dtilt be used interchangeably( except shield stabbing)?
is the crawl useful?
i find myself using down b to approach projectile spammers and i occasionally get punished for it. is there a better way?
i know MK has a serious priority advantage, but can anything break his neutralB or forwardB?
when should nair be used?
sry if this is a lot
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
1. D-smash -> combos
2. No. U-tilt hits players almost perfectly vertically with the second hit. D-tilt moves them forward more.
3. Crawl is pointless except against straight projectile spammers (spacies).
4. SH-plasma whip / SH-paralyzer.
5. Flip jump kick / plasma whip (clinks).
6. N-air is for combos.
2. No. U-tilt hits players almost perfectly vertically with the second hit. D-tilt moves them forward more.
3. Crawl is pointless except against straight projectile spammers (spacies).
4. SH-plasma whip / SH-paralyzer.
5. Flip jump kick / plasma whip (clinks).
6. N-air is for combos.
25%Cotton
Smash Ace
already been provided
dair is a spike... no way to cancel as far as i know... but it's pretty badass to get a kill with it
.upb is a spike. yeah pretty much.
i don't watch many vids, so sorry.
uh... dsmash>dsmash, dsmash>bair
dtilt has more forward range, but utilt seems to come out faster and can hit behind and above... i don't know what you're asking, really.
crawl goes under blaster shots.
um...downb but DON'T use the kick. instead land or jump again. mix in some air dodges and end it with a sideb if you want. anyway, i wouldn't do this TOO much unless you really switch up your directions and follow-ups.
i think a well-placed sideb can, but i'm not sure. don't face many MKs.
i usually use it when i'm about to land and the enemy is in front of me... because landing screws up the fair. use it whenever the enemy is near you in the air to save your fair/bair from hit degeneration, if you wish.
sorry, my advice is pretty basic... but i really feel that zamus is one of the most "free" characters in brawl. you can do pretty much whatever the hell you want for strategy (assuming it's still strategy) and it will get you to the KO pretty easily. having many range variations and move-speed variations and easy aerial chasing, it's very easy to trip up opponents by constantly switching offensive/defensive tactics midmatch. basically, the only moves you should be wary of using are flip kick, fsmash, and dair. other moves you can pretty much use how you see fit. yay zamus ftw. i'd just recommend learning some basic attack chains utilizing the paralyzer, dsmash, and upb. one of my favorites: if you can catch a recoverying opponent with a dsmash, you just slip off the ledge and bair them; they bounce of the stage and die while you easily recover while simultaneous safeguardng the ledge.
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I've been planing on using random mid-tourney for a while now. I'd like to be the first to place first only using random.(no joke) I think I have a good chance. I've been wondering about Zamus lately. If I chose random, and it selects Samus, can I switch to Zamus normally? Can I just hold shield during every character screen to ensure that transformation? thanks.
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
No. As far as I know, there is no confirmed way to play as ZSS through the Random option.
mr_kennedy44
Smash Journeyman
I'm thinking of switching my main to ZSS but I sometimes have problems recovering. Sometimes when I use the flip jump I jump away from the stage instead of towards it. Is there anyway I can control the direction of the jump?
Deg222
Smash Journeyman
Instead of just holding down and b, hold diagonal down (whichever direction you want to flip to) then press b.
FadedImage
Smash Journeyman
Oh god yes. F-Smash out of D-Smash is awful, just awful.
opponent is over 120% (KO Range): flip around and B-Air them.
opponent is below 120% and over 30%: D-Smash again and then F-Air them as they pop out of the stun.
opponent is below 30%: D-Smash again and then grab. Or if you like flashy difficult combos, go for a: landing u-air -> up-b -> u-tilt -> u-air techchase.
gunterrsmash01
Smash Champion
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Can ZSS escape Falco's chaingrab? if so, how?
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
ZSS naturally falls before Falco can chain-grab.
gunterrsmash01
Smash Champion
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so u can just jump out?
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It's ZSS week in the Olimar weekly matchup thread. Pay us a visit and it'll be greatly appreciated!!! Here's the link:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=172222
thanks!
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=172222
thanks!
Arma_
Smash Apprentice
Something I've noticed as late: I've seen some other ZSS mains using down b and then kicking immediately when they recover. Is there any reason for this? Does it provide extra distance or just allow you to recover from the move sooner or something? I can't imagine EVERYBODY fatfingering this, anybody have insight?