I don't get why everyone thinks it makes so much sense for TP Zelda will have a Sheik form, wow, she wore a cloak for a bit, we knew she was Zelda the whole time, she never donned an alternate persona, the ONLY reason I can see for her to have a "TP Sheik" (there was no sheik in TP). It to keep the Sheik fans happy. But even then, she should just be a separate character all together, because Sheik is NOT in Twilight Princess.
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Zelda Using Light Arrows (Final Smash Picture)
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vesperview
Smash Hero
Cloaked Zelda and Midna make no sense, the first one to begin with is in no way a transformation is just an alternate costume and that in no way justifies an entirely new moveset and character by pressing dowb b and Midna is just too ridiculous to even suggest it.
FlipTroopa
Smash Lord
The cloak was funeral robes for the kingdom, not her royal family. And besides: doesn't she take off the hood and look EXACTLY the same underneath?
That being said, it's an easy retcon. C'mon: did Ness use PK Thunder in Earthbound, or did Falcon let loose FALCON PUNCH all over the F-Zero speedway? If Sakurai is going to have Zelda from TP become Sheik, so be it. Besides: the cloak is adorned with the Sheikah "eye," so it's the closest you can get.
That being said, it's an easy retcon. C'mon: did Ness use PK Thunder in Earthbound, or did Falcon let loose FALCON PUNCH all over the F-Zero speedway? If Sakurai is going to have Zelda from TP become Sheik, so be it. Besides: the cloak is adorned with the Sheikah "eye," so it's the closest you can get.
SuperLink9
Smash Lord
I don't want to start another Sheik argument, but we know Sheik isn't in TP, at all. The thing is, other characters have been redesigned to fit in to the new game, like Pit, who hasn't been around for a good 20 years. If Sheik was redesigned to go with Zelda's TP design, I think most people could be happy with that, and Zelda's final Smash looks cool (we all knew Light Arrows would get into her moveset somehow).
This is the game where Captain Olimar is the same size as Princess Peach afterall. It's not really canonical, it's a good fun party fighting game. In DBZ B3, Adult Goku could transform into SSJ4, but he never did that in the anime or manga.
This is the game where Captain Olimar is the same size as Princess Peach afterall. It's not really canonical, it's a good fun party fighting game. In DBZ B3, Adult Goku could transform into SSJ4, but he never did that in the anime or manga.
silver777
Smash Champion
Twilight Change doesn't sound like Sheik to me...
cloaked Zelda??
cloaked Zelda??
It sounds like...actually I have no idea what it sounds like. "Transformation" itself was pretty vague but now we have "Twilight Change" to go on. It's something to do with TP clearly, so I'm betting on a Twili-Sheik. But I don't think she'll be called Sheik anymore.
Does it matter if Sheik is in this game under illogical means? She was a pretty cool character, and the artistic side of me can't wait to see her inevitable remodel. And remember, in the TP the sheikah tribe WAS mentioned as being apart of the timeline. That's close enough if you ask me.
GameAngel64
Smash Journeyman
JUST pondering aloud (or written out) here, but...
Why are these kinds of revealing photos always of such poor quality? Was it really a covert mission, where someone stealthily snapped away with their cellphone? Was it a teeny-tiny image in a magazine that someone had to blow up big enough to be seen, but also reducing quality? Are these CoroCoro cards for sale yet? Wouldn't it be easy enough for someone to take a better photograph? Come on, I know somebody around these parts has their Japanese friend connections!
Can't help but feel a little skeptical. Not that Zelda having Light Arrows is far out there or anything.
Why are these kinds of revealing photos always of such poor quality? Was it really a covert mission, where someone stealthily snapped away with their cellphone? Was it a teeny-tiny image in a magazine that someone had to blow up big enough to be seen, but also reducing quality? Are these CoroCoro cards for sale yet? Wouldn't it be easy enough for someone to take a better photograph? Come on, I know somebody around these parts has their Japanese friend connections!
Can't help but feel a little skeptical. Not that Zelda having Light Arrows is far out there or anything.
Ferio_Kun
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Sorry this isn't really topic related... But this quote proves that Sheik is a girl. Anyone who thinks differently is shamefully ignorent.
Let me put it this way: If I dress up as a female Ninja, does it make me female? NO! I'm just crossdressing!
But about the update, I wouldn't mind if Sheik, or non-imp Midna were the result of Zelda's down B. Although I hope they have something like Pokemon Trainer so people are forced to master the entire character, and not just half of it.
Prince Karo
Smash Apprentice
So, is this one of those CoroCoro cards? If so, why havn't we seen any pics of the other 29?
SuperLink9
Smash Lord
Actually yeah. Although they might be on another thread and I just havn't seen them, that makes this a little harder to believe for me. Except the image, we can pretty much know that Zelda has light arrows as her final smash. Dunno about the text or her other moves though.
SamuraiPanda
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My hat goes off to whoever can read that Japanese, because it is illegible in that picture. Nobody can possibly read that. And it also includes a fair amount of kanji. If I'm not mistaken, all of Zelda's special attacks should be written in katakana, not kanji. What does that mean? That moveset in the first post is likely fake.
vesperview
Smash Hero
well, I'm just posting what I found.
CommanderGrit
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but zelda isnt just dressing up as a ninja, she uses magic to completely alter her physical body changing things such as skin tone, eye color, and overall physique.
Pay attention:
This is Zelda:
This is Sheik:
If it was merely a costume change, then this debate would have been solved years ago, but as you can see, it is clearly more than just cross dressing.
anyways, i am so glad to see that sheik was notr replaced by light arrows! what a dumb idea! we already have Pits light arrows and links regular arrows! But i'm interested to see how her final smash will go!
AustiniusRex
Smash Journeyman
its fake. I've heard she has a different final smash anyway.
Link Sharingan
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that true and you should have posted a Zelda OoT imagebut zelda isnt just dressing up as a ninja, she uses magic to completely alter her physical body changing things such as skin tone, eye color, and overall physique.
Pay attention:
This is Zelda:
This is Sheik:
If it was merely a costume change, then this debate would have been solved years ago, but as you can see, it is clearly more than just cross dressing.
anyways, i am so glad to see that sheik was notr replaced by light arrows! what a dumb idea! we already have Pits light arrows and links regular arrows! But i'm interested to see how her final smash will go!
Aaryk
Smash Journeyman
I just can't accept the fact that Zelda transforms into sheik again.
The whole kanji thing just furthers my doubt.
The whole kanji thing just furthers my doubt.
Musica Amante
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Also keep in mind that in the
" >>> Twilight Change (Original Twilight version of Shiek transformation)"
The part in parenthesis isn't just something added, it was part of the translation. It actually said Shiek/シーク. More specifically an "Original Twilight" Shiek.
I'm also not saying the moveset was shown in the scan.
This is just a moveset that began to circulate the internet the moment the magazine came out
I also don't understand what's with all the speculation on whether or not Shiek is returning.
Eiji Aonuma already said he submitted designs for Shiek to Sakurai..
" >>> Twilight Change (Original Twilight version of Shiek transformation)"
The part in parenthesis isn't just something added, it was part of the translation. It actually said Shiek/シーク. More specifically an "Original Twilight" Shiek.
I'm also not saying the moveset was shown in the scan.
This is just a moveset that began to circulate the internet the moment the magazine came out
I also don't understand what's with all the speculation on whether or not Shiek is returning.
Eiji Aonuma already said he submitted designs for Shiek to Sakurai..
Shadowbolt
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Yet he didn't say he submitted designs for Zelda. Until I see otherwise, that just sums up to a mistake on his part.
chances are that whatever twilight change may mean it will play like sheik but nerfed hard.
blink777
Smash Journeyman
Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard are all different characters, and yet you still switch between them. We still don't know that she "transforms", she could just "switch".
That being said, I really don't think she'll be tag-teamed with Midna anyway.
I swear to god, if one more person brings up that **** interview... I think it's safe to say that everyone and his dog already knows about it.
hjihjihjihji
Smash Cadet
I think Zelda will still turn into Shiek. If this is right Zelda has Din's Fire, Farore's Wind and Nayru's Love. These attacks are all based off ocarina of time and so is shiek so why not?
silver777
Smash Champion
Didn't that interview said that he submitted the designs for Link, Ganondorf and Sheik??
why didn't he mention Zelda???
why didn't he mention Zelda???
Darkpaladin of Chaos
Smash Lord
For chrissake. You know d**** well that the Pokémon Change is logical and canonical, and is nothing like what Cfhero25 meant.
blink777
Smash Journeyman
Oh simmer down, I see no reason for you to get upset over this. And if it makes you feel better, I'll suggest it.
Zelda could tag-team with Midna. It's mildly canon, as Zelda gave her "soul" to Midna for a good portion of Twilight Princess. It goes under the same concept of Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon Switch, as opposed to Samus's change to Zero Suit Samus.
And once again, I severely doubt this will happen.
Al Calnos
Smash Journeyman
From the Panda himself. Personally, I'm gonna take his word on Japanese translations over most people on these forums.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Because the interviewer specifically asked about Shiek, not Zelda
Sputnikk8156
Smash Journeyman
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Not the most reliable site
blink777
Smash Journeyman
I know talking about this interview, after getting irritated with other people talking about it, is hypocritical, but oh well. Sorry.
Here's the infamous interview everyone so loves to refer to:
Anyway, the interview says nothing about Sheik being redesigned to fit Twilight Princess. In fact, it says that they worked on her design to make her fit the Brawl environment (the first designs were changed to do so). That being said, it is likely that she will definitely have TP reminiscent elements (no matter what her place is in the game), as it was the TP team who submitted these designs. These designs were then apparently accepted by Sakurai and brought to the Brawl team (a subsection of NCL, I'm assuming).
So, for all that we can make assumptions, there's nothing in this interview that says she will be anything more than a trophy. Of course, with the easy assumptions, it's quite clear that Sheik will be a playable character, and likely as a transformation of Zelda.
Here's the infamous interview everyone so loves to refer to:
Now, before I get into it, please know that I'm well beyond believing that Sheik will be anything other than Zelda's transformation. I'm only posting the following to play devil's advocate. Once again, I believe Sheik will be Zelda's transformation.
Anyway, the interview says nothing about Sheik being redesigned to fit Twilight Princess. In fact, it says that they worked on her design to make her fit the Brawl environment (the first designs were changed to do so). That being said, it is likely that she will definitely have TP reminiscent elements (no matter what her place is in the game), as it was the TP team who submitted these designs. These designs were then apparently accepted by Sakurai and brought to the Brawl team (a subsection of NCL, I'm assuming).
So, for all that we can make assumptions, there's nothing in this interview that says she will be anything more than a trophy. Of course, with the easy assumptions, it's quite clear that Sheik will be a playable character, and likely as a transformation of Zelda.
Soluble Toast
Smash Ace
Welcome to the Zelda boards....
This discussion has gone on for months, and we "anti-Sheik"'s have found ways around said interview. Sheik isn't confirmed until I see her on the Dojo.
She is very likely, but not confirmed. We're SPECULATING. Give us a little fun , eh?
We Zelda lovers never get the time to speculate, because Zelda's kept under such tight wraps ;D
blink777
Smash Journeyman
lol, I almost feel like our little community here is under attack from the outside. It's getting dangerous to say anything but "SHEIKZORZ" anymore
.Just kidding guys. Glad to have new faces in the discussions.