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[Rizen]

Robin's Fire Emblem not Final Fantasy.

Sakurai to all the gamers:
*Frank Sinatra style music notes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrFQyE1hAg *

"...Regrets I've had a few
But those I don't want to mention
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption

I planned each charted course
Each careful step along the byway
And more, much more than this
you'll play it myyyyyy waaaaaaaay!"

 

[ZombieBran]

Zelda and Palutena are only similar superficially. I think early on people had a completely different idea of what Palutena's gameplan was and so she kinda sorta resembled Zelda a bit? People typecast her as patiently punishing but nope, that girl gets all in your face.

This Fujin guy, did he just get banned the moment he came back?

To keep it a bit on topic, I love using Naryu's Love for some reason.

All you need to know is that Fujin is the best poster who was ever banned and banned again

 

[Tribute]

Canon be damned, Zelda's hyrule warriors rapier needs to appear in smash

 

[evmaxy54]

Inb4SakurainerfsPalutena'scustoms

Pls no ;_;

 

[Mocha]

The customs are what make Palutena more versatile in playstyle, unlike Zelda's.

And yeah, I hope they don't mess around with Lightweight either... and I really hope Sakurai doesn't plan on making these 'patches' on a regular basis. It's going to become quite frustrating having to constantly change and adapt to your character, as well as others - when we already have to do that enough already.

 

[evmaxy54]

Yeah I love me LW myself. Plus Sakurai better not get rid of Glidebouncing that thing is hilarious

 

[Alphatron]

I'm waiting for the patch to come out so I can see Faore's Wind get nerfed alongside Zelda's incredible plethora of damage dealing and KO moves. Just to really add insult to injury.

 

[ZombieBran]

I hope hope HOPE Sakurai does not use FG to gauge which characters need a buff and where. Or worse, For ****ing Fun.

 

[Alphatron]

Oh man, that would be hilarious. I could easily see both Din's Fire and the Phantom being nerfed because they actually hit people in For Fun.

I get that 1v1 isn't the only mode and that the game needs to be balanced for the multiple modes it has though. I'm pretty sure most characters won't lose anything too substantial. Sakurai even said that it isn't fun for players if characters receive too many advantages / disadvantages.

 

[Tribute]

How do you ground approach as zelda?

I like short hop nair, but its too dicey to pull off because the 3ds is a stupid piece of **** that either dairs or falls too fast or full hops, fair actually seems kinda safe on shield (Or Im just playing people who are idiots, idk 50/50) but that still puts me back at square one of not knowing what to do

 

[JigglyZelda003]

How do you ground approach as zelda?o

you walk. Nair has like 20 frames of landing lag and no vertical hitbox. Its best to just walk and shield into either a dash grab or dash attack when opportunities happeen.

edit: You can also do empty short hops, but unless your comfortable doing that walking is better.

 

[Alphatron]

You don't approach.

I like to do short hop auto cancelled dairs because the horizontal range is deceptively large and I can immediately act out of it. Empty hops work too. If your opponent shields alot, try dashing into a grab.

Fair isn't safe on shield by the way. Especially in for glory mode. The landing lag is terrible and even with the high shield pushback it has, your opponent can punish you afterwards.

 

[ZombieBran]

Oh man, that would be hilarious. I could easily see both Din's Fire and the Phantom being nerfed because they actually hit people in For Fun.

If anything, I expect him to nerf FW. That thing gets Zelda almost free kills in FFAs.

 

[Oh Snap]

Hi everyone! I haven't been here in forever but now that Smash 4 is coming out<3
Anyways, I haven't got a chance to try out 3DS and I don't have a WiiU either, but I'm dying to know:

How does Zelda's f-air and b-air compare to her Brawl counterpart? Is it easier or harder to sweetspot?

Thanks.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

its easier to land, but now lags for centuries unless you full jump it like your ganon.

 

[Katty Shepherd]

So I just got the game from my brother and right off I went and played a match. Zelda, cpu Rosalina and battlefield. The first thing I want to note is that the controls are smoother than melted butter on a fine china plate. Zelda felt different but still played the same. I lost match because I was just trying to get used to the controls.
Farore's wind was amazing tbh, I laughed when I returned the stage from the point of no return in Brawl. Nayru's Love felt smaller but I'm not sure, I just felt like it was less effective as my usual panic button. Phantom was much faster than expected and I'm seriously happy with how much easier it is to control Din's, despite the range difference. All of this garnered from a two minute game.
Also, I used dair and successfully landed a hit on Rosalina.

 

[evmaxy54]

Katty, get onto learning how to RCPG I think you will enjoy that

 

[ZombieBran]

The best thing about RCPG is that it's super easy to do so even tech challenged me has it down.

 

[Katty Shepherd]

The best thing about RCPG is that it's super easy to do so even tech challenged me has it down.

Kay!
Honestly I've gotten the alts and I've been playing with them. I think I'll stick with Din's Sniping (flare) because the range is fantastic with Shield Breaker Phantom for a closer ranges. I'm about to try Nayru's Rejection but I don't think it's going to do much for me.
I feel like the air attacks are so much better now, they're easier to hit, easier to sweet spot and just that much more powerful. I haven't gotten Dair this much since, forever?

 

[evmaxy54]

So apparently the new patch is out now. Peeps, you know what to do!

 

[PrimalCarnage]

lol did they give kicks even more landing lag? Dair too. Din's got buffed. Bigger hitbox.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Is it me or the roll cancel grab has been fixed?

 

[evmaxy54]

Pls don't start breaking my heart ;_;

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

To be honest, I'm bad at doing it efficiently.

 

[Dihan]

I haven't been able to do the roll cancelled grab but I wasn't able to do it consistently in the first place.

Some things that I'm not sure about:

1) Is Nayru's Love faster?
2) Was it always possible to fast fall a short hopped fair and still sweet spot it?
3) Is the uair faster?
4) Has the range of dsmash been increased?
5) Can you still escape from mutli-hit attacks?

Sadly, ftilt still misses at close range.

 

[Meru.]

Dins seems to have slightly less lag. I also feel Nayru's is a bit faster now.

Other that that, however, everything feels the same to me.

 

[Mocha]

lol did they give kicks even more landing lag? Dair too. Din's got buffed. Bigger hitbox.

What? You have got to be kidding me...

 

[PrimalCarnage]

What? You have got to be kidding me...

Well it's that or her SH options got cut.

Oh and RC grabs seem to have stricter timing now?

 

[JigglyZelda003]

lol ggs sakurai. Zelda for bottom tier queen. I still have to download the patch, but now I know not to have my hopes up lol

 

[RyokoYaksa]

The RC grab range definitely is not as massive post-patch. Aerial landlag feels the same, otherwise my HRC strats wouldn't still work. Everything else still seems to be just as good/bad as far as I can tell, including Nayru's Reject.

 

[Katty Shepherd]

What about Din's Fire, I heard about a buff?

 

[Arean]

Phantom slash can be unsummoned by pressing down b again.

Edit: nvm this, i didnt charge long.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

could the final hit of usmash still poke through battlefield platforms? If not it does now...

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Phantom slash can be unsummoned by pressing down b again.

Wait, what?

 

[Arean]

Bah my bad, forget I said that. I didnt charge long enough.

 

[Mocha]

"Patch changes: Zelda
Up tilt does 1% more damage"
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I'm dying here

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Can someone please confirm this? I'm at work. If this is true, I find it hilarious for no apparent reason.

 

[RyokoYaksa]

"Patch changes: Zelda
Up tilt does 1% more damage"
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I'm dying here

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Can someone please confirm this? I'm at work. If this is true, I find it hilarious for no apparent reason.

Yeah, it's true. The only other change I can even notice though is that RCPG's range got reduced.

 

[Mocha]

Ok thanks, brb gonna update my sig...

From what I've here so far, she hasn't really changed much with the patch update. What do you guys think? Or should we just wait for the Wii U version to hold further feedback?

 

[BJN39]

OOHHH! I'll get on this as soon as I can! Expect an update to the Fairy Fountain! :D

 

[ZombieBran]

I'm convinced they want her to be the worst character in 1v1.