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[micstar615]

I'm convinced they want her to be the worst character in 1v1.

Agreed, it feels like they aren't even trying to make her good in that atmosphere. At least Ganon and Ike are better now thanks to their custom moves, most of Zelda's customs aren't amazing :/

 

[JigglyZelda003]

I'm convinced they want her to be the worst character in 1v1.

I don't think they understand that she needs a few tweaks to be functional in 1vs1. Cause she's right there, just needs something inched in.

 

[Mocha]

Look on the bright side... at least she didn't get any nerf(s)!












... right?

 

[ZombieBran]

Are we sure default Din's is bigger? It doesn't feel any different.

Love your sig, Mocha.

 

[PrimalCarnage]

idk it feels bigger to me. It seems like it can actually hit people in front of it now. But we won't really know until aero and BJN39 test everything. Also I think I saw someone mention it might be faster or have a bit less less endlag? It does feel a bit faster too.

Are we sure nothing happened to short hops? Or maybe it's the L canceling thing (I really haven't been paying attention to the general nerfs).

 

[Mocha]

Thanks. It quite accurately describes how I feel, somehow.

I've heard from some people that Din's Fire has a 'larger' hitbox, but I'm not sure if they mean in appearance (of it travelling) or the actual hitbox being bigger. In a few hours from now (as I'm still at work), I will get home and test some of this stuff. Maybe there's a subtle buff in there that we may have missed.

But guys... guys... face it. Even with all this testing on the 3DS and whatnot, what will REALLY matter is what we can do with a Gamecube controller in our hands. This Friday.

 

[ZombieBran]

Zero Suit Samus was buffed?
I think I know who Sakurai's favorite character in Smash 4 is =D

 

[Rion]

It is definitely a lot tougher to do a RCPG now. There is also definitely less range to it now (WHY SAKURAI).

ON THE BRIGHT SIDE, the pivot Fsmash feels a bit easier to do. I remember before I couldn't do it very well, but now I'm getting it more consistently. Though ftilt does seem to come out more often than not, haha. Perhaps this will be fixed with a gamecube controller in the Wii U version.

What do you want from Zelda gosh darnit developersssss (don't answer that, lol).

 

[micstar615]

I feel like DSmash might've gained some range and Standard Dins definitely is different in some way, idk if it's the speed, the hitbox or the end lag but something seems different.

Have you guys tested her customs? Nothing seems majorly different for her Dins customs. Also do you guys feel that Naryu's is faster or is this just the placebo effect? :/

 

[Rion]

The last hit of Zelda's USmash can hit people on Battlefield platforms. I'm not really sure if this is new, but I don't remember being able to do this before.

 

[evmaxy54]

The last hit of Zelda's USmash can hit people on Battlefield platforms. I'm not really sure if this is new, but I don't remember being able to do this before.

Nah it isn't new :/

 

[Rion]

Nah it isn't new :/

F-ing shoot! Lol~

Still playing around with her a bit. Let's see if there's anything...

 

[.:~*Momo*~:.]

I can't believe Zelda wasn't significantly buffed... well actually I can, she's been consistently bad for two games and they still refuse to fix the glaring issues in her design... but still, part of me hoped they'd get it together and give her something. :\

 

[ZombieBran]

I still can't believe they didn't fix fsmash when they even fixed Link's.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I can't believe Zelda wasn't significantly buffed... well actually I can, she's been consistently bad for two games and they still refuse to fix the glaring issues in her design... but still, part of me hoped they'd get it together and give her something. :\

They should steal her something.

Landing lag, for exemple.

 

[micstar615]

I can't believe Zelda wasn't significantly buffed... well actually I can, she's been consistently bad for two games and they still refuse to fix the glaring issues in her design... but still, part of me hoped they'd get it together and give her something. :\

They did! The gave her UTilt a 1% buff!!!!! :D

 

[ZombieBran]

They did! The gave her UTilt a 1% buff!!!!! :D

Top tier here we come!

 

[BJN39]

IKR, the move KOs a WHOLE 16% earlier nao! :D

 

[Alphatron]

Can you still edge cancel with Faore's Wind? I can't test it right now but I've seen people saying that edge cancelling has been removed. It's not a huge deal if it has been but I would like to know.

 

[Rickster]

No, it's still in (at least on FD). I was just doing it in Training a while ago.

 

[Tino]

Is it just me or does Zelda feels a lot worse than she was in Brawl? I only just started using her yesterday and she just didn't feel the same to me.

 

[BJN39]

Can you still edge cancel with Faore's Wind? I can't test it right now but I've seen people saying that edge cancelling has been removed. It's not a huge deal if it has been but I would like to know.

You still can. While testing data, I did FW to the ledge and it cancelled.

EDIT : Ninja'd. Oh, but I can confirm it works on more than FD.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Is it just me or does Zelda feels a lot worse than she was in Brawl? I only just started using her yesterday and she just didn't feel the same to me.

I find her better, but you have to play differently than in previous Smash games.

 

[PrimalCarnage]

Is it just me or does Zelda feels a lot worse than she was in Brawl? I only just started using her yesterday and she just didn't feel the same to me.

She pretty's different from Brawl. You're going to have to get used to her again. Her grab game is better and jumping offstage is recommended since jumping back to the stage is safe now + dair is useful.

 

[evmaxy54]

Thank goodness I was getting a bit worried because they are awfully fun to do

 

[BJN39]

So those queens over at the sheik boards be crying end of the world because Bouncing Fish KOs slighlty later now.

It's like they forget she's still freaky good in just about every way.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

So those queens over at the sheik boards be crying end of the world because Bouncing Fish KOs slighlty later now.

It's like they forget she's still freaky good in just about every way.

It's not surprising to hear complains about nerfs... But still. "Zelda's best B move" clearly have good options anyway.

 

[Alphatron]

No, it's still in (at least on FD). I was just doing it in Training a while ago.

Alright then, thanks!

 

[CommanderPepper]

I never played Zelda in previous Smash games but she is fun in Smash 4. I can be really patient and obnoxious with my opponent. I can also be a bully off stage and not have to worry about not recovering.

 

[ZombieBran]

Zelda is better in Smash 4 than in Brawl. Or Melee for that matter.

So those queens over at the sheik boards be crying end of the world because Bouncing Fish KOs slighlty later now.

Their up-air was nerfed too, I think it's funny.

 

[micstar615]

So apparently Zelda got a 0.5% increase to her Utilt and not a 1% increase

 

[BJN39]

So apparently Zelda got a 0.5% increase to her Utilt and not a 1% increase

Regardless, the 0.5% increase still rose it to 7%. So its "rounded increase" is still 1%.

 

[ZombieBran]

So apparently Zelda got a 0.5% increase to her Utilt and not a 1% increase

HAHAHA

 

[CommanderPepper]

How was Sheik's up-air nerfed?

 

[BJN39]

But yeah, Sakurai hates her so much he can't even raise her damage a full 1% xD

 

[ZombieBran]

How was Sheik's up-air nerfed?

Nerfs
- Bouncing Fish knockback decreased, killing Mario at 131% from 111%
- Uair knockback decreased, killing ~26% later

These are some real nerfs.

 

[CommanderPepper]

That sucks for Shiek but she still speed. She is still good.

 

[micstar615]

Wouldn't it be nice if she just had her melee lightening kicks back? I feel like with the changes she has received since melee (faster speed, consistent smash attacks, better grab, better recovery), having her lightening kicks back to the way they were would make her more viable. It just seems like Sakurai doesn't know what to do with this character :/

 

[Soluble Toast]

Zelda would be a hell of a lot more fun to play in this game if she had her Melee kicks. I miss using the kick as fear bait. </3

 

[Novice_Brave]

I... I feel like dsmash range is increased. I mean, placebo effect stronk but it was something I noticed like, immediately, so it seemed significant enough to notice that quickly. Probably just placebo working its voodoo magics on me, I guess.