Guide Zelda Social: But also the FE Heroes Internet Cafe

[Soul.]

I really need ORAS. ****.

http://smashboards.com/threads/afraid-of-1-0-6.397706/#post-18961762

Heavy nerfs to tone them down:
Rosa
Sonic
Pika

 

[Lavani]

In seriousness I don't really care about Ness being nerfed or buffed

If there's anything that actually bugs me about him it's how lagless his dsmash is. That thing is scary to get hit by when recovering and is stupidly safe to throw out.

 

[BJN39]

http://smashboards.com/threads/afraid-of-1-0-6.397706/#post-18961762

Holy heck the double posts everywhere.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Ness' bthrow isn't that bad imo since its put on a character who isn't spectacular omg top tier pls nerf. His bthrow is just

 

[Cenizas]

* googles every pokemon item you guys talk about so he doesn't look like a n00b

King's Rock is an item that adds a 10% flinch rate to your attacks. Doesn't stack with pre-existing flinch rates, however. It's a trash item in battle, unless you have a Pokemon with the ability Skill Link that knows multi-hit moves. It's only good for evolving Slowpoke into the bae (Slowking), or Poliwhirl to Politoed.

 

[Alacion]

King's Rock is an item that adds a 10% flinch rate to your attacks. Doesn't stack with pre-existing flinch rates, however. It's a trash item in battle, unless you have a Pokemon with the ability Skill Link that knows multi-hit moves. It's only good for evolving Slowpoke into the bae (Slowking), or Poliwhirl to Politoed.

Works with Fling too. I tried it before on a Perish Trap team with a Fake Out -> Fling Lopunny. Didn't really work out, lol.

 

[Soul.]

Why is breeding so stupid. Lady Luck please.

 

[2004Zilla]

omg

Skyloft is like Delfino Plaza 2.0.

Why did I just notice that.

 

[Alacion]

Why is breeding so stupid. Lady Luck please.

Whatcha breeding?

 

[Cenizas]

Why is breeding so stupid. Lady Luck please.

You spent all your luck in maining Pikachu. Solo Zelda for a while to invest in sass and karma to exchange for some good eggs.

 

[Alacion]

You spent all your luck in maining Pikachu. Solo Zelda for a while to invest in sass and karma to exchange for some good eggs.

I main Zelda and didn't get my Hyper Voice Glalie

 

[Soul.]

Whatcha breeding?

5IV Poliwag with Swift Swim for DrizzleToed.

You spent all your luck in maining Pikachu. Solo Zelda for a while to invest in sass and karma to exchange for some good eggs.

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....****, I main the series mascot and don't get anything? wtf?

 

[PUK]

Glalie learns Hyper voice? Didn't know that.

 

[Alacion]

5IV Poliwag with Swift Swim for DrizzleToed.

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....****, I main the series mascot and don't get anything? wtf?

Oh that's not *that* bad. Maybe 30 minutes at most.

Glalie learns Hyper voice? Didn't know that.

It doesn't. It's the ONE move that would make people use Mega Glalie. Explosion is a bad idea because Protect.

Oops, double post. Got ahead of myself.

 

[2004Zilla]

Holy heck the double posts everywhere.

Dude that guy's Yoshi avatar.

It's so metal.

 

[Soul.]

Oh that's not *that* bad. Maybe 30 minutes at most.

I suppose. I'll see what I can do.

 

[PUK]

It doesn't. It's the ONE move that would make people use Mega Glalie. Explosion is a bad idea because Protect.

MGlalie has meh stat anyway. And for the purpose of killing sub ddancer mega gardevoir would make glalie not so good.
But glalie with SD and Extreme speed=mega pinsir

 

[Alacion]

MGlalie has meh stat anyway. And for the purpose of killing sub ddancer mega gardevoir would make glalie not so good.
But glalie with SD and Extreme speed=mega pinsir

Hm I can imagine Glalie doing some insane stuff after some turns with Moody. Besides, OU is boring. Bird, frog, repeat.

I think frog is banned? It's a hidden boss in vgc!

 

[IsmaR]

Oh that's not *that* bad. Maybe 30 minutes at most.



It doesn't. It's the ONE move that would make people use Mega Glalie. Explosion is a bad idea because Protect.

It gets Tri Attack still, which is equal in terms of power, but disappointing for lack of hitting through subs.

I'll admit the 10% chance to burn things with an Ice type is hilarious, though.

Oops, double post. Got ahead of myself.

y u do dis

 

[Soul.]

Hm I can imagine Glalie doing some insane stuff after some turns with Moody. Besides, OU is boring. Bird, frog, repeat.

I think frog is banned? It's a hidden boss in vgc!

Frog is banned in OU.
Smogon meta is boring when you think about it. Then again, VGC has stupid breeding.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

So oddly enough lately I've found myself using Zelda's uthrow a lot

at 50-70% uthrow to uair tends to be pretty reliable as a mixup because no one expects a Zelda to use uthrow - you can also act pretty fast out of it which might surprise them. I also use it at low percents on fast fallers instead of dthrow since uthrow > utilt > nair does more damage than dthrow to nair.

Maybe we should look into her uthrow a bit more?

 

[PUK]

I always mix my throw, essentially because Dthrow need read to combo into something. And read in lag means hard read

 

[Alacion]

Frog is banned in OU.
Smogon meta is boring when you think about it. Then again, VGC has stupid breeding.

Wide guard Aeglislash. fml

 

[Themeatgrinder]

So oddly enough lately I've found myself using Zelda's uthrow a lot

at 50-70% uthrow to uair tends to be pretty reliable as a mixup because no one expects a Zelda to use uthrow - you can also act pretty fast out of it which might surprise them. I also use it at low percents on fast fallers instead of dthrow since uthrow > utilt > nair does more damage than dthrow to nair.

Maybe we should look into her uthrow a bit more?

Uthrow is nerfed in 1.0.6

Uthrow is pretty good, sometimes when I want to play Zelda in FG I find myself using it to follow up at low and mid percents

Also should I main Zelda for a bit? lol

 

[Soul.]

Wide guard Aeglislash. fml

I have one from my good friend PKHex.

 

[Cenizas]

So oddly enough lately I've found myself using Zelda's uthrow a lot

at 50-70% uthrow to uair tends to be pretty reliable as a mixup because no one expects a Zelda to use uthrow - you can also act pretty fast out of it which might surprise them. I also use it at low percents on fast fallers instead of dthrow since uthrow > utilt > nair does more damage than dthrow to nair.

Maybe we should look into her uthrow a bit more?

How do you even move up fast enough to get the u-air? Seems like a good a idea if you can condition them to stop air dodging after u-throw so you get can get a kill with Farore's.

 

[Alacion]

Uthrow is nerfed in 1.0.6

Uthrow is pretty good, sometimes when I want to play Zelda in FG I find myself using it to follow up at low and mid percents

Also should I main Zelda for a bit? lol

Main her so you can tell everybody you mained her before her crazy buffs next week.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

How do you even move up fast enough to get the u-air? Seems like a good a idea if you can condition them to stop air dodging after u-throw so you get can get a kill with Farore's.

Mm? It isn't that hard to do - I can jump up fast enough to do it. I could make a gif of it in about half an hour if you'd like. I like that conditioning idea too...if you could pull that off it'd be so hype

 

[Themeatgrinder]

Main her so you can tell everybody you mained her before her crazy buffs next week.

She gets crazy nerfs and is now the worst char

Haha but seriously I can't tell if they're gonna give her something good

Liek "Pivot grab range nerfed, 1% increase on utilt yay"

Let's talk about Din's buffs because I've got crazy imaginations with it rite now

 

[|ven|]

She gets crazy nerfs and is now the worst char

Haha but seriously I can't tell if they're gonna give her something good

Liek "Pivot grab range nerfed, 1% increase on utilt yay"

Let's talk about Din's buffs because I've got crazy imaginations with it rite now

I would like the range to be increased the more its held out like in brawl. Bring that back please.

 

[Themeatgrinder]

I would like the range to be increased the more its held out like in brawl. Bring that back please.

I liked the Brawl range too, it felt like I could really control it

Also give it weak hitboxes while it's traveling! Make it travel faster too so that it isn't that easy to dodge

I've also been thinking about if the traveling hitbox connects with the opponent it should trap them inside the fireball as it goes the full distance and explode but idk if it would be broken hehe

 

[Blossom ✿]

I don't really have any ideas for Din's buffs, but the one thing that should be done is make Din's not leave you in freefall after using it in the air. Seriously, there is no need to have Din's do that at all.
Granted, it's not much but still.

 

[Cenizas]

I liked the Brawl range too, it felt like I could really control it

Also give it weak hitboxes while it's traveling! Make it travel faster too so that it isn't that easy to dodge

I've also been thinking about if the traveling hitbox connects with the opponent it should trap them inside the fireball as it goes the full distance and explode but idk if it would be broken hehe

Who cares how broken it is, Din's Fire will never singlehandedly even make Zelda high tier in any Smash game Sakurai ever makes.

 

[Themeatgrinder]

I don't really have any ideas for Din's buffs, but the one thing that should be done is make Din's not leave you in freefall after using it in the air. Seriously, there is no need to have Din's do that at all.

The freefall bothers me too, it doesn't have recovery properties and without it I think Din's could have more use in edgeguarding

Who cares how broken it is, Din's Fire will never singlehandedly even make Zelda high tier in any Smash game Sakurai ever makes.

True, true Why do they hate her, she was bottom tier in Brawl and they made her worse

 

[Locke 06]

@berserker. @ S.F.L.R_9 @Nammy12 @spiderfreak1011 I might be forgetting other Shulk mains but whatever.

Did you know Vision has intangibility at the end of it? I don't know how long, but I charged an fsmash at a countering Shulk hoping to hit him after the counter window was up, but it just... went through him. Might be something worth looking into.

I could post this on the Shulk boards, but this tab is already open.

 

[ぱみゅ]

The freefall bothers me too, it doesn't have recovery properties and without it I think Din's could have more use in edgeguarding



True, true Why do they hate her, she was bottom tier in Brawl and they made her worse

There are a handful of random moves that cause Freefall for no good reason, like PK Flash/Freeze and Giant Punch.

 

[Potpourri]

On the topic of Din's.....
Before Sm4sh was a thing, every Brawl Zelda main would complain about Din's and how it's a horrible move. Now, most of these same people want Brawl Din's back, which I find very ironic (not saying I don't want Brawl Din's to return, it's just that it's funny that everyone's treating it like it's such an amazing move now).

Anyways, just make the sweetspot bigger, the sourspot stronger, and give it more range and I'll be happy.

 

[Themeatgrinder]

On the topic of Din's.....
Before Sm4sh was a thing, every Brawl Zelda main would complain about Din's and how it's a horrible move. Now, most of these same people want Brawl Din's back, which I find very ironic (not saying I don't want Brawl Din's to return, it's just that it's funny that everyone's treating it like it's such an amazing move now).

Anyways, just make the sweetspot bigger, the sourspot stronger, and give it more range and I'll be happy.

I'm honestly surprised nobody's mentioning Project M Din's...

 

[ぱみゅ]

What is PM?

 

[Alphatron]

There are a handful of random moves that cause Freefall for no good reason, like PK Flash/Freeze and Giant Punch.

And final Cutter. I have no idea why that move causes freefall. I didn't even know it caused freefall until brawl where I broke that wooden platform in New Pork City and Kirby just kind of...fell. Burst Grenade causing freefall is pretty silly too.