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[Lavani]

Our toughest matchup is against Sonic, and that's only +1 in his favor. Even so, that can change as our meta develops. (I personally feel that it's going to end up even)

yo what

when is pacman taking the #1 spot

 

[Fernosaur]

Great response !

Pacman is truly unique, however how does he fair against the 'top tiered' characters? Where does he stand in the customs on metagame ?

Pac Man actually does pretty well against the top tiers because he's got so much **** to handle their approaches and control the battlefield. Specially with customs. The weird spazzy fruits, fire hydrant and meteor trampoline are pretty fearsome while not being janky like most customs are.

I won't say he's even against them, but he can definitely surprise people because he's such a deep character. I'll say that once you start learning his tricks it becomes a tad easier to look out for specific stuff, but he can still hold his ground pretty well. I'd say one of his worse MUs is Rosalina, but there are plenty of characters that can deal with her. Plus, Rosalina is not so top if you know how to fight her.

Does anyone else have a low tier main that they love to use just to challenge themselves?

Bruh.

These are the Zelda boards.


BRUH.

(I know there are a lot of non-Zelda mains here, inbefore people start raining **** on me).

 

[Macchiato]

Sakurai

No he's too broken


Which one do I pick?

 

[Trieste SP]

WHO DO I MAIN?!!!!

Try to be good with all the characters. Main the one you are most successful with.

 

[Nu~]

Oh yeah, and rosa is a bit of a pain.
Although GP isn't that bad if you play mid range.

 

[FullMoon]

This is kinda true because let's face it a lot of people must have voted for at least one of their favorite mons.

Like Hawlucha, right, @ Lavani ? =V

 

[Shrokatii]

@ Soul. You still playing?


So like, I think they should nerf the crap out of C. Falcon. Like, if they removed him I'd be happy. If I was to be honest, C. Falcon is my second most wanted character to be nerfed. I'm sure you know who's 1st

 

[Nu~]

yo what

when is pacman taking the #1 spot

Lol
The thing is, he doesn't really beat any of the top tiers badly outside of Luigi and Falcon. Everything else is like 55:45 in either their or our favor, even , or 60:40 in their favor (rosa and sonic)

...we would be top tier if it weren't for our gross grab

 

[Trieste SP]

Pac Man actually does pretty well against the top tiers because he's got so much **** to handle their approaches and control the battlefield. Specially with customs. The weird spazzy fruits, fire hydrant and meteor trampoline are pretty fearsome while not being janky like most customs are.

I won't say he's even against them, but he can definitely surprise people because he's such a deep character. I'll say that once you start learning his tricks it becomes a tad easier to look out for specific stuff, but he can still hold his ground pretty well. I'd say one of his worse MUs is Rosalina, but there are plenty of characters that can deal with her. Plus, Rosalina is not so top if you know how to fight her.

Thanks for the imput !

I am quite aware that Pacman has some interesting AT. I'll just have to test him out more before I pick up a third main.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

No he's too broken


Which one do I pick?

Why not just stick with Zelda/WFT
You've been playing them this long and always coming back to them for a reason

 

[Soul.]

@ Soul. You still playing?


So like, I think they should nerf the crap out of C. Falcon. Like, if they removed him I'd be happy. If I was to be honest, C. Falcon is my second most wanted character to be nerfed. I'm sure you know who's 1st

yes. hang on a sec
also no lol don't nerf falcon. I don't want him to be like Brawl

 

[Lavani]

Like Hawlucha, right, @ Lavani ? =V

I don't think Hawlucha's even something I'd call a favorite. It just seemed like it'd make for an interesting fighter while also having a legitimate chance due to recency.

but I should totally break out the proxies and send in a kajillion votes for Breloom now.

 

[Macchiato]

Why not just stick with Zelda/WFT
You've been playing them this long and always coming back to them for a reason

Ok solo Zelda

 

[Shrokatii]

No he's too broken


Which one do I pick?

Chairzaird

He's like, untapped potential imo

I think I saw some random dude (just a pro player I haven't seen before) beat False's shiek with him sometime. Plus, nair and up-b

 

[FullMoon]

Lol
The thing is, he doesn't really beat any of the top tiers badly outside of Luigi and Falcon. Everything else is like 55:45 in either their or our favor, even , or 60:40 in their favor (rosa and sonic)

...we would be top tier if it weren't for our gross grab

That's surprisingly close to Greninja's situation.

 

[Furret]

No he's too broken


Which one do I pick?

go with elsa...
wait a second...

Spoiler: that isn't elsa

(I have no idea how I am finding these)

 

[Locke 06]

For the person who wants a challenging character play style to master, play Jigglypuff or Mac. Puff is probably one of the most difficult characters to master (optimizing rest punishes) and Mac requires advanced movement along with using jab defensively.

Peach and Shulk are probably next in terms of difficulty.

 

[Cenizas]

Lol
The thing is, he doesn't really beat any of the top tiers badly outside of Luigi and Falcon. Everything else is like 55:45 in either their or our favor, even , or 60:40 in their favor (rosa and sonic)

...we would be top tier if it weren't for our gross grab

At least it isn't Villager's.

 

[Macchiato]

For the person who wants a challenging character play style to master, play Jigglypuff or Mac. Puff is probably one of the most difficult characters to master (optimizing rest punishes) and Mac requires advanced movement along with using jab defensively.

Peach and Shulk are probably next in terms of difficulty.

Wouldn't Wii fit be up there because lol janky hitboxes

 

[Nu~]

That's surprisingly close to Greninja's situation.

...
Another similarity?
...
Not to mention, Amazing Ampharos thinks that both of our characters are trash...


So which one of us is the clone again?

 

[Rizen]

Tether grabs always get a raw deal in Smash (not counting Olimar's)

 

[Macchiato]

@ Lavani time to drink

 

[Lavani]

Oh yeah, and rosa is a bit of a pain.
Although GP isn't that bad if you play mid range.

why do projectile users act like they're hard countered by GP

it's as much of a commitment as a smash attack and doesn't put out hitboxes, I'm afraid to even press downB unless I'm across the stage because I can get punished for it so badly.

For the person who wants a challenging character play style to master, play Jigglypuff or Mac. Puff is probably one of the most difficult characters to master (optimizing rest punishes) and Mac requires advanced movement along with using jab defensively.

Peach and Shulk are probably next in terms of difficulty.

I'd only recommend puff if you're playing offline, Rest is hell in even slight lag.

At least it isn't Villager's.

At least Villager has a crazy strong bthrow (and honestly Villager's standing/pivot grab are barely slower with better range)

...
Another similarity?
...
Not to mention, Amazing Ampharos thinks that both of our characters are trash...


So which one of us is the clone again?

 

[Locke 06]

Wouldn't Wii fit be up there because lol janky hitboxes

Nope. Because she actually has decent moves (ftilt lol) and a not-difficult to execute/more versatile game plan (NAir/projectiles).

 

[Trieste SP]

Try to be good with all the characters. Main the one you are most successful with.

My advice isn't very good. It depends on what you want to achieve. If you seek to win, I would recommend maining 'top tiered' characters. Even I do not follow this advice.

If I had to be honest, the character I'm most successful with is Diddy Kong. I could have easily main him and get higher tournament placings than I would have maining Zelda. However, I main her because her playstyle intrigues/suits me.

Another reason I main Zelda is to prove to myself and others that you can still do well competitively with a 'low tiered' character. When I fight players after pools it always felt like an uphill climb. I feel it is a great test of my skill as a player.

Besides, the feeling of winning an unfavorable matchup with her is great.

Shoutouts to @Nairo and @vennn for helping me see the light.

 

[Antonykun]

WHO DO I MAIN?!!!!

Swordfighter

 

[Nu~]

why do projectile users act like they're hard countered by GP

it's as much of a commitment as a smash attack and doesn't put out hitboxes, I'm afraid to even press downB unless I'm across the stage because I can get punished for it so badly.

I really don't know why other projectile users fear it.

For Pac-Man, it's that we don't like our fruit stolen, but we can literally just pick it back up slightly outside of mid range or closer.

The Pac-Man mains freaked out about it at first, but I always felt that the matchup was even while other pac-mains feel that it's 40:60

 

[Locke 06]

why do projectile users act like they're hard countered by GP


I'd only recommend puff if you're playing offline, Rest is hell in even slight lag.

Pacman has to work really hard for his fruit/hydrant traps and GP just says lol. Retreating SH GP>LLNAir says hi.

And yeah, forgot about the whole WiFi thing. If you want a technical character to master, know you will not be able to play your best online. You can play well online... But don't expect your play to equal offline.

 

[FullMoon]

...
Another similarity?
...
Not to mention, Amazing Ampharos thinks that both of our characters are trash...


So which one of us is the clone again?

Clearly we must be two halves of the same person.

 

[Rizen]

What's 'GP' stand for?

 

[Antonykun]

...
Another similarity?
...
Not to mention, Amazing Ampharos thinks that both of our characters are trash...


So which one of us is the clone again?

Amusingly AA once said Swordfighter has potential

What's 'GP' stand for?

Great Pain

 

[Nu~]

Pacman has to work really hard for his fruit/hydrant traps and GP just says lol. Retreating SH GP>LLNAir says hi.

And yeah, forgot about the whole WiFi thing. If you want a technical character to master, know you will not be able to play your best online. You can play well online... But don't expect your play to equal offline.

You really don't want to use the hydrant as a trap against rosa. It's completely ineffective.
Instead, Pac-Man has to play a patient bait and punish game with rosa and use the hydrant to crush Luma from above until he can get in safely. GP my hydrant in CQC, and you're eating a punish.

Fruit use becomes more straightforward in this matchup because traps become less useful. Although, you can still use trampoline traps since rosa can't GP that

 

[Trieste SP]

Amusingly AA once said Swordfighter has potential


Great Pain

Too bad only two of his 'a' moves are good.

 

[Fernosaur]

why do projectile users act like they're hard countered by GP

it's as much of a commitment as a smash attack and doesn't put out hitboxes, I'm afraid to even press downB unless I'm across the stage because I can get punished for it so badly.

Ness recovering begs to differ

What's 'GP' stand for?

Gravitational Pull, Rosie's down B.

 

[Macchiato]

I'm interested in maining jigglypuff

 

[Rizen]

Ah. GP doesn't affect Link too much since he can time bombs to explode, Zair, Bomb Fsmash or bait and punish it.

 

[Fernosaur]

You really don't want to use the hydrant as a trap against rosa. It's completely ineffective.
Instead, Pac-Man has to play a patient bait and punish game with rosa and use the hydrant to crush Luma from above until he can get in safely.

That's how everyone has to play against Rosalina, though. You simply can't fight her like you'd fight anyone else because you'll get wrecked if you do. Fighting Rosalina for everyone (except the tops, maybe, I dunno) is basically just playing footsies with Luma until you get an opening to kill Luma and then capitalize on it. I know Pac loses a lot of his traps and set ups but honestly once Luma's gone you don't really need them that bad.

 

[Antonykun]

Too bad only two of his 'a' moves are good.

Are we talking about Swordfighter's Normals? PLZ don't let me gush about Swordfighter's Normals

Anyhows

Who's the Gorl? I'll let you decide

 

[Fernosaur]

Omg Antony bringing CONTROVERSY.

Completely off-topic, though, apparently this is how big Mexico is compared to Europe.

Hahaha even I didn't know if was so ****ing huge. And it would be bigger if we hadn't lost the Texan territory in the war like two centuries ago :'Du

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

I literally spent all day cleaning :v
I'm soooo tired
Brb I'm gonna go curl up and die now