Guide Zelda Social: But also the FE Heroes Internet Cafe

LRodC · Mar 31, 2015

I just saw that list and was surprised that Shulk had the worst frame data in the entire game. I guess having insane range has to have some drawbacks.

HeroMystic · Mar 31, 2015

Reserved said:
What characters have the best frame data? I had no idea Mario was second.

1. Luigi
2. Mario
3. Sheik
4. Fox

This is the post that made me aware of it: http://smashboards.com/threads/character-competitive-impressions.367669/page-233#post-18275350

As per Mario, have you guys been following our work in the frame data topic? This is a breakdown of the start-up frames of every normal and grab every character has (Olimar's full data isn't entered into that table yet but we do know it, not important right now):

http://pastebin.com/NJ4Q5PzU

The only character who has better average frame data than Mario is Luigi, and it's reasonably close. Yes, Mario has better average frame data than Sheik and Fox (barely but he does, though that calculation does give perhaps undue weight to grabs which doesn't matter for Sheik but is very slightly biased against Fox), and there's a pretty big gap between the characters with the best frame data and the rest which means in most match-ups Mario has a large attack speed advantage. However you look at it, Mario's frame data is incredible; only two normals with double digit start-up frames with those being merely f15/f16 is pretty great. Mario doesn't have slow moves that are hard to hit with given that only two of his moves are even physically possible for a human being to react to and even then not by a very big margin.

Berserker. · Mar 31, 2015

I wonder how Shulk would be if his n-air and f-air were frame 9.

HeroMystic said:
Blacktwins

Antonykun · Mar 31, 2015

Locke 06 said:
So, I need a new topic for the Mega Man MU discussion.

Candidates:
or (because it'd be fun)
or (because of actual interest from people on the MM boards)
(Because people are worried about ledge camping and they're dumb. Mega Man is one of, if not the best at dealing with ledge camping with his projectile DAir that goes through EBT)
(Because non-default specials)

Thoughts?

I can talk about the optimal way to village and how mega just wins regardless.

Brinzy · Mar 31, 2015

HeroMystic said:
1. Luigi
2. Mario
3. Sheik
4. Fox

This is the post that made me aware of it: http://smashboards.com/threads/character-competitive-impressions.367669/page-233#post-18275350

There was a brief time when the 3DS version first launched where I thought he felt pretty insane, so I tried to learn how to play him.

Then some Japanese Luigi dumped all over me and I was scarred.

elusiveTranscendent · Mar 31, 2015

FullMoon said:
@ elusiveTranscendent I follow your tumblr and you reblog the best things.

I try.

Soul. said:
Greninja is annoying when it was in OU.
Protean Protean Protean Life Orb Hydro Pump Low Kick Frog Gunk Shot Smogon

Yeah basically

Trieste SP said:
Guys, are there any notable Zelda mains other than Nairo and Ven ?

I fought Nairo once and got destroyed
He didn't pull out his Zelda on me though.

Macchiato · Mar 31, 2015

Lately I haven't been going for Zelda's grab combos. I'm using Dtilt to Dthrow a lot and it's seems to be a reliable damage racker and its a good way to get them offstage sometimes and allowing us to edgeguard. idk gorls, right now I think Dtilt to Smash is better because a grab whiff would probably be punished while Dtilt probably wouldn't be.

PUK · Mar 31, 2015

Dtilt, Dtilt Ftilt usually works. Fsmash in place of Ftilt on fast faller.
Dtilt, dilt uptilt, nair can work too
There are not true combo, but it's good.
Now what you can do is mix pivot grab with grab to follow dtilt. Zelda pivot has really good range, and if you whiff it's little less punishable imo.

Baskerville · Mar 31, 2015

The more I play Zelly, the more I'm actually kinda liking her. Landing them heels is so satisfying!
But **** Bridge of Eldin FD for screwing over my recovery. >_>

Rizen · Mar 31, 2015

berserker01 said:
I wonder how Shulk would be if his n-air and f-air were frame 9.

I think he'd fair well.

Do you have the Wii U version btw? I'd like to learn the Shulk MU sometime, by wifi.

Erotic&Heretic · Mar 31, 2015

Got a little funny glitch in For Fun... Don't really know how to describe it. I guess Little Mac just really want to win, no matter what.

Rizen · Mar 31, 2015

^ @

Erotic&Heretic Giga Mac must have disappeared when the game ended but Little Mac hadn't loaded yet so the results didn't show him is my guess.

PS on your signature what does she have on her arm? /curious

Erotic&Heretic · Mar 31, 2015

Rizen said:
^ @ Erotic&Heretic Giga Mac must have disappeared when the game ended but Little Mac hadn't loaded yet so the results didn't show him is my guess.

PS on your signature what does she have on her arm? /curious

Yeah, that what I thought. I should try with Little Mac (or Wario, Charizard, ect) at the center of the stage. I think it can mess up the victory screen even more.

About my signature, it's just a glove. Kinda long gif but we can see it here:

HeroMystic · Mar 31, 2015

Brinzy said:
There was a brief time when the 3DS version first launched where I thought he felt pretty insane, so I tried to learn how to play him.

Then some Japanese Luigi dumped all over me and I was scarred.

Tends to happen since Luigi's grab/throw game is insane.

If you avoid getting grabbed though, chances of winning is in your favor.

Example vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQdutBzXUx0

Berserker. · Mar 31, 2015

Holy ****. I've been listening to this for 20 minutes. Sure it's a remix of the main theme but it feels.... different for some reason

I also came back from watching Cinderella. Good movie. It really exemplifies the, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" saying.

Macchiato · Mar 31, 2015

berserker01 said:
Holy ****. I've been listening to this for 20 minutes. Sure it's a remix of the main theme but it feels.... different for some reason

I also came back from watching Cinderella. Good movie. It really exemplifies the, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" saying.

I've been listening to this for like an hour

FullMoon · Mar 31, 2015

We should try filling this =V

Berserker. · Mar 31, 2015

FullMoon said:
We should try filling this =V

I know where to place Diddy Kong

HeroMystic · Mar 31, 2015

berserker01 said:
Holy ****. I've been listening to this for 20 minutes. Sure it's a remix of the main theme but it feels.... different for some reason

I also came back from watching Cinderella. Good movie. It really exemplifies the, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" saying.

Will you forgive me for being a rock junkie?

Berserker. · Mar 31, 2015

HeroMystic said:
Will you forgive me for being a rock junkie?

I like rock also. It's fine :>

WolfieXVII ❂ · Mar 31, 2015

Hay peeps
How goes it here?

Trieste SP · Mar 31, 2015

KMZ || WolfieXVII said:
Hay peeps
How goes it here?

Nothing much. I'm just chilling til someone starts a discussion.

Berserker. · Mar 31, 2015

Alright, I've practiced enough Smash 4. I'm gonna go boot up Melee.... or play a horror game like FnaF or Outlast. Aw ****, I forgot about Valkyria Chronicles. Then there's the re-run of Xenoblade. Well, it's night at the moment so horror games will do! I'll take care of the other games tomorrow.

HeroMystic · Mar 31, 2015

berserker01 said:
Alright, I've practiced enough Smash 4. I'm gonna go boot up Melee.... or play a horror game like FnaF or Outlast. Aw ****, I forgot about Valkyria Chronicles. Then there's the re-run of Xenoblade. Well, it's night at the moment so horror games will do! I'll take care of the other games tomorrow.

>Looks at Valkyria Chronicles 3.

Soooooo loooooooong...

Berserker. · Mar 31, 2015

OH WAIT. I just realized. Tales of Borderlines episode 2 is out. I guess that will do to WHICH ALSO REMINDS ME, Game of Thrones (the show) is coming soon. Hyyyyped.

I'll get to Valkyria Chronicles soon

SpiralGalaxies · Mar 31, 2015

Hello everyone!

I got my braces off earlier! :DDD I can chew gum again! AND EAT POPCORN!

BJN39 · Mar 31, 2015

SpiralGalaxies said:
Hello everyone!

I got my braces off earlier! :DDD I can chew gum again! AND EAT POPCORN!

Congrats! :D

Someone in my family had had braces for a while, maybe a year or two ago, and it was a long journey for them. (Eventually it was natural, y'know.) It was tough for them because they loved tootsie rolls! xD

S.F.L.R_9 · Mar 31, 2015

>Playing 3DS For Glory
>Recovering with Zelda on last stock
>Aims FW at the ledge
>ZELDA GOES UNDER THE STAGE

Nice job Sakurai.

berserker01 said:
Holy ****. I've been listening to this for 20 minutes. Sure it's a remix of the main theme but it feels.... different for some reason

All of those remixes they did are soooo good. I though they did an amazing job on Engage the Enemy and Mechanical Rhythm. Made me relive the moments of first hearing these songs when playing Xenoblade~ <3

Shrokatii · Mar 31, 2015

Anyone feel like playing the 3ds

I don't play diddy so

HeroMystic · Mar 31, 2015

berserker01 said:
OH WAIT. I just realized. Tales of Borderlines episode 2 is out. I guess that will do to WHICH ALSO REMINDS ME, Game of Thrones (the show) is coming soon. Hyyyyped.

I'll get to Valkyria Chronicles soon

I just realized I still have a lot of money in my bank account.

I wonder if I should waste it getting a PS4.

SpiralGalaxies · Mar 31, 2015

@

BJN39 Honestly it wasn't a hard transition. I could still eat most of my favourite things. It just really hurt when I got them on/tightened.

@

S.F.L.R_9 I hate it when this happens.

Tilk · Mar 31, 2015

BJN39 said:
Congrats! :D

Someone in my family had had braces for a while, maybe a year or two ago, and it was a long journey for them. (Eventually it was natural, y'know.) It was tough for them because they loved tootsie rolls! xD

SpiralGalaxies said:
Hello everyone!

I got my braces off earlier! :DDD I can chew gum again! AND EAT POPCORN!

Oh my word braces... o.o

I learned right after I got 'Em off about the importance of that retainer when my cousin had to get them a second time after he lost his...

I made sure that didn't happen to ME... Those braces were a pain.

SpiralGalaxies · Mar 31, 2015

I'm getting retainers as well. I have two bonded to my teeth right now, and I'll be getting one for night only later today.

EDIT: Did ya'll see this Mewtwo "leak"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMroSfFDxAQ

FullMoon · Mar 31, 2015

So anybody wants to play a few matches on the Wii U?

HeroMystic · Mar 31, 2015

SpiralGalaxies said:
EDIT: Did ya'll see this Mewtwo "leak"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMroSfFDxAQ

I'm more interested in the fact that the stage has no Ridley in 1v1.

Antonykun · Mar 31, 2015

...The wildest idea for a fundraiser for my college's gaming came to me...
Host a Smash 4 tournament...

Berserker. · Mar 31, 2015

HeroMystic said:
I'm more interested in the fact that the stage has no Ridley in 1v1.

I'll try not to get interested

HeroMystic said:
I just realized I still have a lot of money in my bank account.

I wonder if I should waste it getting a PS4.

Uncharted 4 and Bloodborne are great

SpiralGalaxies · Mar 31, 2015

FullMoon said:
So anybody wants to play a few matches on the Wii U?

I do! My NNID is SpiralGalaxies if you want to.

SBphiloz4 · Mar 31, 2015

I can't believe that some of our fellow gorls getting fooled on April Fool's Day by fake leaks smh. :^(

FullMoon · Mar 31, 2015

SpiralGalaxies said:
I do! My NNID is SpiralGalaxies if you want to.

I'll send the request and host.

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