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[Macchiato]

It actually might be gorl! I'm working on it rn. Expect it to be up tonight or maybe tomorrow.

Actually, would you mind playing me for a little bit tomorrow Macchi so I can use it in an actual match?

Oh sorry just read. I can't play until like monday. I'm busy all tomorrow.

 

[Rizen]

I just had someone join my wifi room named King, was that anyone here? Anyway, GGs

Some neighbors got in a verbal fight outside my apt, one was drunk. They stopped but I would have called the cops if it got violent.
I wish Mr.Rogers was my neighbor instead.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Oh sorry just read. I can't play until like monday. I'm busy all tomorrow.

Don't worry about it <3 I'll just get footage from unsuspecting Roll Glory victims :^)

 

[BJN39]

Okay I just woke up from a very long nap, what's the fuss about Villager?

ADHD's Villager super-camped everything and skimmed away multiple set victories against fellow greats by camping the edge with Extreme (Exploding) balloon trip, Pushing Lloid, and Timber counter. It was a salt fest. :S

 

[FullMoon]

ADHD's Villager super-camped everything and skimmed away multiple set victories against fellow greats by camping the edge with Extreme (Exploding) balloon trip, Pushing Lloid, and Timber counter. It was a salt fest. :S

Oh wow. That sounds painful.

On another note, my internet is being completely awful all of sudden.

 

[Lavani]

Based Dabuz finally made a Rosalina guide. Now I know what to practice with her. jab cancels, here I come

I'm surprised people are still salty about Rosalina, though. I agree with Dabuz in that Rosalina's probably 8th or 9th on the tier list.

edit: I didn't know Rosalina has intangibility on her head/upper body during usmash. That's cool.

Oh? Guess I'll be checking this out later.

Utilt/usmash both have head intangibility.

 

[BJN39]

Utilt/usmash both have head intangibility.

Which is still BS.

Oh yeah, but let's remove Zelda's Dsmash leg intangibility. Cuz...Why again?

 

[Macchiato]

Here's an hour of Zelda gameplay from Jtails
https://youtu.be/fHyASiQeLGg

 

[Lorde]

Oh? Guess I'll be checking this out later.

Utilt/usmash both have head intangibility.

Here's a link in case you can't find it for some reason.

I've watched about half of it and I've learned some things already. Luma jab cancel shenanigans look fun as hell to pull off.

 

[Berserker.]

I do know that. At the same time, being treated like Dabuz and Zero isn't the most charming thought. >.>

Don't let the viewers affect you. People trash Dabuz but he still plays the way he wants to play because he won't let some whiny **** viewers dictate how he handles his opponents.

 

[Lavani]

Which is still BS.

Oh yeah, but let's remove Zelda's Dsmash leg intangibility. Cuz...Why again?

To be fair, upper body invuln on antiair moves is quite common in fighting games, Sm4sh included. Mario usmash, Luigi usmash, Rosalina utilt/usmash, Wario utilt/usmash, Bowser/G&W usmashes have actual invuln that shields hits instead of phasing through, Yoshi utilt/usmash, Charizard utilt/usmash...the list goes on.

Zelda's just a special (read: unfortunate) exception.

Here's a link in case you can't find it for some reason.

I've watched about half of it and I've learned some things already. Luma jab cancel shenanigans look fun as hell to pull off.

Already found it and bookmarked for later, but thanks.

Rosa's jab cancel options are legit, I'm kind of surprised I didn't bother looking into them until last week but she has a ton of options with Luma around (dash grab and uair being my favorites). I suppose I should wait till I watch the vid for further comment though, I'm sure anything I know is already covered and then some.

 

[Berserker.]

Where did all this Villager stuff happen anyways?
Also can I just say **** diddy kong? Hate being the better player and even when the diddy SD's once or twice, but because they're diddy they can win by being patient and shifting to a toxic playstyle to win...

This. Like, oh my God. Getting kicked into loser's by a Diddy then losing to a Diddy? smh

 

[Sinister Slush]

I got reverse 3 stocked by Diddy game 3.
Reminds me of someone getting reverse three stocked twice in a set at SAM 2 because Diddy.

 

[Berserker.]

The Diddy that beat me at first round used to use ZSS. I 2 stock'd him at a tourney back then. He comes back to me and says, "Using Diddy on you."

Well ****

 

[Soul.]

diddy is love

 

[Macchiato]

The Diddy that beat me at first round used to use ZSS. I 2 stock'd him at a tourney back then. He comes back to me and says, "Using Diddy on you."

Well ****

I'd say that characters that go even with Diddy are

 

[FullMoon]

Uuugh. I just got some player in For Glory that played Kirby and I easily 2-stocked him, then he decided to switch to Greninja and because of all the lag I could barely control myself and even SD'd once and he ended up winning, of course he would change his profile name to "git gud" afterwards. To be fair his Greninja was actually pretty good and he was able to bait pretty well, but damn the lag was awful and being beaten like that is just demoralizing.

I'm just gonna go and write something and take a break until my internet begins to function again.

 

[Soul.]

I'd say that characters that go even with Diddy are

Kirby: lol, no
Sheik: true
Shulk: lol
Wii Fit: no

 

[Berserker.]

I'd say that characters that go even with Diddy are

All those characters (Including Diddy) get bodied by Diddy

Kirby: lol, no
Sheik: true
Shulk: lol
Wii Fit: no

Sheik gets bodied by Diddy. Just saying

 

[Macchiato]

All those characters (Including Diddy) get bodied by Diddy

I think Wii Fit does pretty well. Uncharged, Sun Salutation clanks with the banana. Her crouch avoids his grab and she easily takes advantage of his bad recovery. Her projectile game outclasses his and can kill him pretty early. She can also rack up percents faster than he can. 3 nairs is a true combo and does 45% I think it's even.

 

[Lavani]

oh god this video guide is literally 10x longer than I expected

Very indepth though, I like this. ~26min in and the only new thing I learned is amusingly how much damage usmash does (I seriously never knew it was that strong), but it's a very well-done and in-depth guide.

also luigi and pika do well vs diddy

 

[SpiralGalaxies]

Hello Everyone! I just joined and since I play Zelda occasionally I decided to drop by!

To be honest, I've lurked this thread a while before I joined simply because everyone here seemed so awesome. You kinda inadvertently convinced me to join! so thank you!

 

[Blossom ✿]

All those characters (Including Diddy) get bodied by Diddy

Sheik gets bodied by Diddy. Just saying

Wait, how does Diddy get bodied by Diddy? Whether that was being serious or a joke (I'll assume the former), I don't get it.

 

[Berserker.]

In theory, Pikachu can handle Diddy but I haven't seen it in practice yet.. Diddy's meta has rapidly evolved so the match ups may have changed.

 

[Macchiato]

Imo Lucina and marth don't do that bad against Diddy. Marth is probably 45-55 while Lucina is 40-60. Think back, neither of them have any really bad match ups. Most of them are near even.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Thread is up
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-aerial-elevator.395832/
I think this is actually going to be really important if we can learn to master it

Hello Everyone! I just joined and since I play Zelda occasionally I decided to drop by!

To be honest, I've lurked this thread a while before I joined simply because everyone here seemed so awesome. You kinda inadvertently convinced me to join! so thank you!

Welcome! :D

 

[Ffamran]

diddy is love

Hatred is what drives me! I will UNLEASH THE FURY! TREMBLE!

 

[Soul.]

"In theory" yes. Pikachu seems to do well vs. top tiers.
Then again, Diddy has FAir (that reach), Banana, and Hoo Hah (this **** can be DI'd so). Diddy mains are starting to use uthrow uair more often now.

 

[Berserker.]

Wait, how does Diddy get bodied by Diddy? Whether that was being serious or a joke (I'll assume the former), I don't get it.

Diddy is Diddy. That is all (Just kidding btw, haha)

Imo Lucina and marth don't do that bad against Diddy. Marth is probably 45-55 while Lucina is 40-60. Think back, neither of them have any really bad match ups. Most of them are near even.

Eh. I don't think both of them can handle Diddy. I do agree that most of their match ups are even

 

[Macchiato]

Diddy is Diddy. That is all (Just kidding btw, haha)

Eh. I don't think both of them can handle Diddy. I do agree that most of their match ups are even

I think Lucina would be mid, if Marth wasn't there. She's a good character but marth existing make Lucina outclassed. This is why she's low imo. I'm just waiting for her meta to blow up.

 

[Soul.]

Doesn't Falcon go even vs. Diddy or something? I know he loses to Sheik, but I'm talking about Diddy.

 

[SpiralGalaxies]

Honestly I can't see Marcina doing too well against Diddy. He can get in their faces really well and from what I understand they can't handle that.

But I'm no competitive player so take that with a grain of salt.

 

[Macchiato]

Honestly I can't see Marcina doing too well against Diddy. He can get in their faces really well and from what I understand they can't handle that.

But I'm no competitive player so take that with a grain of salt.

No your right. Once he's in their space, all of their options are limited. This MU it's extra crucual to precisely space.

 

[SpiralGalaxies]

How would one approach a Marcina Vs Diddy matchup then? The Bananas seem to be a major obstacle for them.

 

[Blossom ✿]

Diddy is Diddy. That is all (Just kidding btw, haha)

Eh. I don't think both of them can handle Diddy. I do agree that most of their match ups are even

Good to know you were joking, haha. Also, I might not have much experience against Diddy with G&W, but I have a strong feeling G&W loses that MU hard. Don't know the ratio, but it probably ain't pretty.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Pikachu does ok against Diddy because he can go as deep as he wants and has a great off stage pressure game with his bair thunder etc.
Gimping him is how Pika wins, I see it quite literally every weekly I go too.

Also berserk, Gnes Shulk soon maybe, dunno. http://www.twitch.tv/teamgreensleeves

 

[Soul.]

How would one approach a Marcina Vs Diddy matchup then? The Bananas seem to be a major obstacle for them.

Diddy has FAir and the Banana. That alone gives him a good approach. All Marcina can do is space FAir and punish with Side B.
maybe i'm just wrong. Most Marcina mains tend to space, walk and then punish

 

[SpiralGalaxies]

I'm assuming the side B punish is percent based right? After awhile won't the diddy just fall out of it?

 

[Macchiato]

How would one approach a Marcina Vs Diddy matchup then? The Bananas seem to be a major obstacle for them.

I think fair cancels the banana and clanks with diddys own fair. Approaching would just be fairing.

Diddy has FAir and the Banana. That alone gives him a good approach. All Marcina can do is space FAir and punish with Side B.
maybe i'm just wrong. Most Marcina mains tend to space, walk and then punish

depends, if it's customs. We'll punish with a grab because crescent slash. Though usually dancing blade is our go to punish. Marcina main goal is not to let Diddy get close.

 

[Macchiato]

I'm assuming the side B punish is percent based right? After awhile won't the diddy just fall out of it?

Down DB - 19%
Side DB - 16%
Up DB - 15%

It higher percents, only the up direction works.