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[SBphiloz4]

Is that really all you can take?

*gulp*

 

[Ffamran]

What anime is this from? The girl looks familiar but that could be because a lot of animu girls look alike.

@ Ffamran I like your comparison of Falco's frame data, I may do something similar for Game & Watch.

I thought Lavani was going to do Marth's at first when he mentioned about how Marth was changed and then there was the whole people saying Marth's number were changed and how so-and-so were nerfed. If I could find more of Falco's frame data for his Specials, especially his Blaster and then add in damage, there could be a detailed comparison since just looking at Falco's Blaster data for Melee and Brawl, there's this gap of what was reasonable and what was insane. A Blaster that fires on 10 frame in Brawl and it autocancels from frame 1-41?! Yeah, that's worse than frame 13 in the air with 16 frames in between shots that can autocancel the moment Falco lands. Should I mention that if there was data on the laser's velocity it would be more I guess, disgusting? I think Falco's lasers in Melee and SSB4 travel at similar speeds - maybe SSB4's is slower - while in Brawl it was fast, especially with the rate of fire. Then there's a comparison to see who's stronger at what move or hitbox comparison. Eh, it's probably not that big of a deal since this is like data candy instead of helping out at one specific game.

In a way, it shows that it wasn't the Falco wasn't nerfed and if it was, it was warranted like a frame 5 Dair that spike hard while some weren't warranted like Blaster being slow as sin or Dash Attack having double the frame start up, 8, instead of 4 which while fast, could have just been bumped up to 5 or 6 if it was that bad. Isn't Fox's Dash Attack frame 4 in this game? Either 4 or 5 and it's not that bad. What is Little Mac's Dash Attack? I think it's his dash speed that makes it seem really fast. Anyway, it was more of how the game functions rather than the character itself. Also, imagine a frame 6 Fair. Yeah, Falco would have an amazing Fair which is already amazing as is despite having 12 frames of start up. It connects unlike in Brawl, it gimps, it kills, and it combos. Now, make it a move that hits at half the start up.

 

[Phenomiracle]

Jesus Christ.

FG is literally unplayable these days.

 

[Fernosaur]

Well sh*T

I realized I hit 1000 posts 76 posts ago. I didn't even notice back then, haha.

Is this something people celebrate? Should I celebrate? I could celebrate. PARTY AT MY PLACE

 

[Lavani]

Is that really all you can take?

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is this leading up to a joke about Pocketing a tree or something

 

[Fernosaur]

HAHA omg I honestly just use that face because it has a sarcastic psychopathic, almost perverted look to it but you just made it 10 times better.

 

[DNeon]

Went onto VGBC twitch profile to check their first customs tournament out. See Snow hovering Zelda in one of the thumbnails...

My heart is now broken...I thought I'd finally see a Zelda somewhere

 

[McKnightlíght]

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is this leading up to a joke about Pocketing a tree or something

Reply. Thank you based Lavani.

 

[Furret]

Well sh*T

I realized I hit 1000 posts 76 posts ago. I didn't even notice back then, haha.

Is this something people celebrate? Should I celebrate? I could celebrate. PARTY AT MY PLACE

we could have a bug catching contest

Went onto VGBC twitch profile to check their first customs tournament out. See Snow hovering Zelda in one of the thumbnails...

My heart is now broken...I thought I'd finally see a Zelda somewhere

hate to be brutally honest, but many don't think customs do much for zelda. Course I don't play with customs much so I wouldn't know too much

 

[DNeon]

hate to be brutally honest, but many don't think customs do much for zelda. Course I don't play with customs much so I wouldn't know too much

Oh, I know that, if anything she gets worse because those around her get much more out of customs, I just saw the thumbnail with Zelda sitting there, practically selected, but no, 'twas not to be...

 

[ぱみゅ]

Hey gurls? What is the topic at hand?

 

[Furret]

Hey gurls? What is the topic at hand?

Furret always Furret

 

[Soul.]

Lmao I was playing FG on 3DS, used Falcon, Rosa player shows up. Uair to knee juggles.
Salt bruh

 

[McKnightlíght]

I feel like I'm working the night shift on neighborhood watch whenever I'm on this social during this time. #CPU34Mod
#2many#s2confusing

 

[Macchiato]

"Good" is very subjective here. Change is part of the process of destruction and recreation. Some things have to be wrecked or ruined for better things to be built upon them, so I'd say change itself cannot be classified as good or bad. The consequences of change can be good or bad for some, but change itself is something you can't oppose to.

Even if a "bad" change is made, it will eventually be corrected into something better, etc.




Bro.

Bro, you missed this part of the post.

Lucina will always be bottom tier not because she's bad, but because she's unfortunately very redundant. Marth is not wonderful in this game as he has been before, and while I don't actually think he's LOW, the fact that Lucina is a bad Marth makes her pointless in the competitive scene. If someone wants to use her and rips holes with her, then good for them! Being bottom tier doesn't mean you can't win in the end.

But no matter how many times I state this, people are still always offended by their character being called "bottom tier" :'D

Ok my thoughts are that Marth is mid at worst. I also see Lucina being low to bottom, but in the future their metas are bound to seperate. Like doc and mario in melee. Lucina isn't good at space fairs, Marth is. Just no having a tipper separates them imo. I see Lucina becoming a more ground based character while Marth is an aerial based character in the future. At the moment I see her at low, I see her getting higher in the future when her meta finally changes and people start to look at her in a different perspective.

 

[Blue Phoenix]

Here are my favorites:

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This is still pretty accurate, but my normal, grounnd, and fairy type favorites are different now. Water and ghost might be different now, idk.

Here's mine:

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EDIT: No image, idk why, I previewed and everything ._.

 

[Berserker.]

Ok my thoughts are that Marth is mid at worst. I also see Lucina being low to bottom, but in the future their metas are bound to seperate. Like doc and mario in melee. Lucina isn't good at space fairs, Marth is. Just no having a tipper separates them imo. I see Lucina becoming a more ground based character while Marth is an aerial based character in the future. At the moment I see her at low, I see her getting higher in the future when her meta finally changes and people start to look at her in a different perspective.

Lucina is an inferior Marth. Her moveset is inferior to Marth's moveset in terms of reward

Let that sink in. You'll have an easier time with Marth than Lucina

 

[Mocha]

Zant's was pretty tough too.

I like the "rack up your ko count" missions. Crowd density is ridiculous and green bottles drop everywhere. If you let the green bottles pile up by not picking any up, you can get a ridiculous spirit combo later. I've had a spirit combo over 900, but I've never reached 1000. That's pretty much the best way to make money and gain levels. A single one of those missions can nearly level a 100 leveled character to 101 in one go... about 2/3rds to 3/4s at least.

I was remembering wrong about the Beetle I think too. Don't think you can actually ever have three beetles out. There's something else in the game that's like that though.

Mhm pretty much Agitha, Zant, Zelda's Baton, Lana's Time Portal, and a few others were especially tough to unlock in their LV 3's.

I much prefer the "rack up your KO count" over the "kill 1,000 enemies in 10 minutes" because the latter clearly makes it a lot more difficult to find groups of enemies. Not to mention, the bosses that spawn and follow you around non-stop (Argorok especially is a nuisance due to how quickly he catches up to you).

Oh for the beetle, I meant the move where she summons a glyph on the ground and jumps up and down, giggling (which you can dodge cancel after) when she summons her beetle. That's literally like one of the two moves I use with her, and I'll spam it against officers because... what else can you do with Agitha? Also her regular attacks are so painfully slow and have pitiful range.

 

[Macchiato]

Lucina is an inferior Marth. Her moveset is inferior to Marth's moveset in terms of reward

Let that sink in. You'll have an easier time with Marth than Lucina

Ok yes, but she has no tipper. That changes then apart a lot. Lucina doesn't like spacing aerials marth does.

Let that sink in... they won't have the same meta game.

 

[Rizen]

Mhm pretty much Agitha, Zant, Zelda's Baton, Lana's Time Portal, and a few others were especially tough to unlock in their LV 3's.

I much prefer the "rack up your KO count" over the "kill 1,000 enemies in 10 minutes" because the latter clearly makes it a lot more difficult to find groups of enemies. Not to mention, the bosses that spawn and follow you around non-stop (Argorok especially is a nuisance due to how quickly he catches up to you).

Oh for the beetle, I meant the move where she summons a glyph on the ground and jumps up and down, giggling (which you can dodge cancel after) when she summons her beetle. That's literally like one of the two moves I use with her, and I'll spam it against officers because... what else can you do with Agitha? Also her regular attacks are so painfully slow and have pitiful range.

I completely agree with all this. Also Lana's Deku staff and Darunia's Hammer lv 3s gave me trouble but I haven't unlocked all weapons yet. I'll probably level up the needed warriors so much their downsides won't matter, when I pick up the game again.


For spacing characters like Marth, tipper spacing is the safest spacing so I can see Marth being better than Lucina.

 

[FullMoon]

I still have to get a lot of the level 3 weapons in Hyrule Warriors. Ruto's in particular is being a nasty one.

 

[Rizen]

I still have to get a lot of the level 3 weapons in Hyrule Warriors. Ruto's in particular is being a nasty one.

Ruto's is a lot easier if you use her special trait, where she can build up water in a gauge then shoot it out in waves with the lv 1 strong attack (iirc). The trick is to build up water with normal attack x2 or3 iirc to strong attack combos then find a keep corner and release the water.

 

[Macchiato]

But agitha is so easy to use. Beating legend mode with her was a breeze

 

[FullMoon]

I just got wrecked by a WFT. Man I really don't know that MU. I mean at least I won one set...

 

[Macchiato]

I just got wrecked by a WFT. Man I really don't know that MU. I mean at least I won one set...

I can play yew later for yew to learn the MU. Her moves are pretty safe and her range is a problem at all

 

[Berserker.]

Ok yes, but she has no tipper. That changes then apart a lot. Lucina doesn't like spacing aerials marth does.

No. All the more she needs to space perfectly then. Since her attacks are unsafe on shield, it's not ideal to go up close since they can shield your attack then punish or grab you quickly. You need to rely on your spacing to make it safe, and that's where the issue comes up. Marth's playstyle is also similar except spacing with him is much safer and much more rewarding.

 

[Rizen]

I agree with Berserker.

Would anyone like to play wifi now?

 

[Mocha]

I still have to get a lot of the level 3 weapons in Hyrule Warriors. Ruto's in particular is being a nasty one.

Spam Surf. For real. That move is insane at clearing crowds... giant, flipping tidal wave, and woosh. And it's satisfying too, cause water is love.

Also, if the opponent has water blight (you know, the giant bubble on their head), their damage will rack up with their weak gauge when it's displayed. Hitting weak gauges is my main issue with Ruto, so this helps.

Oh and that one attack where she dives under ground, and you can control what direction she swims in is decent for mobility and clearing a small linear crowd.

 

[Fernosaur]

I agree with Berserker.

Would anyone like to play wifi now?

You still around, gorl? I'll play you for a bit.

 

[Berserker.]

Dammiiiiit. I don't think Fox is my thing. Every time I go off-stage, I feel like I'm risking a lot and I LOVE getting off-stage KO's. He's not my thing

 

[Lavani]

Every time I go off-stage, I feel like I'm risking a lot and I LOVE getting off-stage KO's.

Play Dedede.

 

[Berserker.]

Play Dedede.

I don't know why but I hate penguins. So... Nah

How's ?

 

[BJN39]

I don't know why but I hate penguins. So... Nah

How's ?

Don't go offstage.

 

[Lavani]

FG adventures: People that spam counter are so predictable, yet boost grabbing with Rosalina is so ingrained in my mind that I keep activating their counters with Luma's dash attack trying to grab them.

How's ?

can't see her being a good fit tbh

 

[Berserker.]

Don't go offstage.

Whelp

can't see her being a good fit tbh

LMAO

Characters I'm thinking of atm for random reasons:
(Problem: Everyone uses him)
(Problem: Back fired last time)
(Problem: Sucks)
(Problem: His recovery is difficult to get used to)
(Problem: He's a penguin)
(Problem: I don't trust him)
(Problem: I hate Jigglypuff)
(Actually considering)
(Problem: She has no ground game)
(Problem: Everyone uses him)
(Problem: I don't like the character in general)
(Problem: His face)

 

[Fernosaur]

Ness's recovery is something you'll get used to eventually. Why don't you give him a shot?

 

[Berserker.]

Ness's recovery is something you'll get used to eventually. Why don't you give him a shot?

I did last time. Didn't end so well. I got killed too much because I couldn't get his recovery right. Been thinking about just getting used to it but Rosalina is.... Rosalina so idk

 

[Kofu]

Whelp

LMAO

Characters I'm thinking of atm for random reasons:
(Problem: Everyone uses him)
(Problem: Back fired last time)
(Problem: Sucks)
(Problem: His recovery is difficult to get used to)
(Problem: He's a penguin)
(Problem: I don't trust him)
(Problem: I hate Jigglypuff)
(Actually considering)
(Problem: She has no ground game)
(Problem: Everyone uses him)
(Problem: I don't like the character in general)
(Problem: His face)

Loling at Yoshi

Why don't you trust Ganon? He actually has a killer offstage game. Don't go for DAirs, go for reverse UAirs. Either you send them to the blast zone or you semispike them hard.

Also I'm pretty sure Dedede isn't actually a prenguin.

also has a good offstage game, js

 

[Lavani]

(Problem: His recovery is difficult to get used to)

Honestly that sounds like an easy problem to fix if you just lab with it a bit. Though, Ness doesn't go offstage well does he? (just PK Thunder harassment)

(Actually considering)

good choice imo

(Problem: I don't trust him)

what does this even mean

 

[SBphiloz4]

Whelp

LMAO

Characters I'm thinking of atm for random reasons:
(Problem: Everyone uses him)
(Problem: Back fired last time)
(Problem: Sucks)
(Problem: His recovery is difficult to get used to)
(Problem: He's a penguin)
(Problem: I don't trust him)
(Problem: I hate Jigglypuff)
(Actually considering)
(Problem: She has no ground game)
(Problem: Everyone uses him)
(Problem: I don't like the character in general)
(Problem: His face)

has safe offstage edgeguarding lmao :^)