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[Berserker.]

The more I tinker with customs, the more I wonder if customs are seriously going to stay legal in the long run

I think it will stay for as long as no one abuses the stupid jank customs bring but idk

 

[kenniky]

@People voting for Peach for the next MU discussion

You guys have no idea at what you're getting in. The match up isn't bad at all imo, and I think the discussion will go fine, for as long as there aren't any disagreements which there will be.

SO... um... Think twice about the character your voting for.

I'm not sure where on SmashBoards you think you are but this is probably in the wrong place js

Also Power Vision is fun. Once I Forward Power Vision a Sheik's bair from offstage and it stage spiked at 40%

 

[Berserker.]

I'm not sure where on SmashBoards you think you are but this is probably in the wrong place js

Nope. I posted it in the right place where I intended it, because I was referring to @ S.F.L.R_9

Plus, none of the Peach players are curious enough to go here so I can post my inner thoughts in this thread

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Speaking of customs, does Phantom Strike semispike? I semispiked Dan with it but idk if it was cuz of how he DI'd. If it actually semispikes that's pretty interesting.

Nope. I posted it in the right place where I intended it, because I was referring to @ S.F.L.R_9

Plus, none of the Peach players are curious enough to go here so I can post my inner thoughts in this thread

Well...what are these disagreements that you're talking about? I'm not aware of anything; I just wanted to talk about the Peach mu.

 

[Ffamran]

So, Falco can grab reset (heavies) with D-throw to Fair or RAR Bair. From this thread: http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-4-tech-falco-chaingrab.394833/.

With RAR Bair on Bowser: http://youtu.be/mhuHDRBlM60.

This one's older and by Zionaze on a random Samus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k3lIymOxN3c.

 

[Berserker.]

Well...what are these disagreements that you're talking about? I'm not aware of anything; I just wanted to talk about the Peach mu.

I meant, there will be. I'm just talking about one particular user. Please don't name search or name tag him

One of my personal criteria for selecting an MU to discuss is: Is there anyone in the said boards that you should worry about?

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

I meant, there will be. I'm just talking about one particular user. Please don't name search or name tag him

One of my personal criteria for selecting an MU to discuss is: Is there anyone in the said boards that you should worry about?

Ohh alright I see. Sorry about that then. I'm not sure who else I would vote for, but I'll change my post in the MU thread.

 

[FullMoon]

I have finally reached the replay limit.

Now I'll have to slow and painfully clean up my replays.

 

[Berserker.]

Ohh alright I see. Sorry about that then. I'm not sure who else I would vote for, but I'll change my post in the MU thread.

It's alright. Just saving everyone's life (and my sanity) from being taken away. Haha

 

[IsmaR]

What I wanted to do:

Spoiler

What the game thought I wanted to do (yes I flew in a straight path):

Spoiler

What the opponent/game wanted to and got to do:

Spoiler

 

[Ffamran]

I meant, there will be. I'm just talking about one particular user. Please don't name search or name tag him

One of my personal criteria for selecting an MU to discuss is: Is there anyone in the said boards that you should worry about?

Heh, I just take requests which often ends up as MUs that are difficult for Falco, unfamiliar for Falco, or even difficult for the opposing MU like when a ROB player requested ROB. The rest are randomly chosen like Zelda, reference chosen like Luigi will be #22, or popular characters like Captain Falcon.

I have finally reached the replay limit.

Now I'll have to slow and painfully clean up my replays.

At least you can upload them, mine end up there and dead with each update.

 

[Twili]

I have finally reached the replay limit.

Now I'll have to slow and painfully clean up my replays.

How many? I'm getting up there some.

 

[Rizen]

I'm still against custom moves as the standard. They complicate running events too much and make each game longer. Within the game it gets too complicated too; ban which moves on which characters? Some customs work for this MU but not that MU. Etc.

 

[UkeNicky]

It lasts

That's all we need to know

Am I the only one who chuckled at this?
It's hilarious to hear it from Machi himself that each character he "mains" is more like a flavor of the month xD
No offense intended though, I think it's good cuz he will have some form of match up knowledge for like, almost the entire friggin roster

 

[Fernosaur]

The more I tinker with customs, the more I wonder if customs are seriously going to stay legal in the long run

I think it will stay for as long as no one abuses the stupid jank customs bring but idk

Except everyone will abuse them . From what I'm seeing custom Sm4sh is kinda like Brawl minus but "official."

 

[Fujenn]

4 mods posting in this thread within ONE page....

This accounT wont last long.

 

[FullMoon]

How many? I'm getting up there some.

I would tell you if the game kept track of the number.

No way I'm gonna count them one by one =P

 

[Twili]

I would tell you if the game kept track of the number.

No way I'm gonna count them one by one =P

Fair enough. That's a small thing that maybe they should implement in the future; a count for replays.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

@Macchiato So I'm watching that stream you posted a few pages back and considering Lucina gets kill combos and a kill throw (well, kill off of a throw) w/ customs where do you think she belongs on the tier list w/ them?

 

[Rizen]

Except everyone will abuse them . From what I'm seeing custom Sm4sh is kinda like Brawl minus but "official."

^This. A large part of the competitive metagame is taking full advantage of exploits. IMO OP customs will be heavily exploited and it will open up a whole other bag of cats.

 

[Lavani]

I'm finding the Crescent Slash hype for Lucina amusing

because it's her one custom that gives her a tipper and functions just like Marth's

drooling over the leftovers of a better character :^)

Speaking of customs, does Phantom Strike semispike? I semispiked Dan with it but idk if it was cuz of how he DI'd. If it actually semispikes that's pretty interesting.

0° angle on uncharged, 20° on partial charge, 30° on full charge

It's also weight-based knockback, so they fly the same distance always.

 

[FullMoon]

Oh so Lucina's Crescent Slash also has a tipper? I was wondering about that.

Also I don't really think the so called OP customs will be that bad for long. People will adapt to it and eventually they won't be as much of a problem, like they did with Lucario.

Besides so far I only see Timber Counter and Power Vision as being that bad.

 

[Nammy12]

Besides so far I only see Timber Counter and Power Vision as being that bad.

Speaking of timber counter, whats that moves downside?
Is it just the fact that the tree falling does less damage?
It seems like a really good stage control tool.

 

[Berserker.]

People will adapt

Idk

 

[Lavani]

Speaking of timber counter, whats that moves downside?
Is it just the fact that the tree falling does less damage?
It seems like a really good stage control tool.

The normal tree's axe is a frame 6, air usable, B-reversable, disjointed kill move around 100%

Timber Counter's doesn't kill until like 250%

Also the tree itself only has 15 HP if I heard right, people only use it for the sapling though because it's an immobile banana

 

[Locuan]

I'm finding the Crescent Slash hype for Lucina amusing

I'm actually not using it. I prefer 3113. However, Crescent Slash is good and it has it's strong points but I still prefer Dolphin Slash.

 

[Kofu]

He absolutely stomped me lol

I actually won the majority of Rosalina matches, but my MK got 2 stocked every time and Lucario wasn't much better. I'm perfectly okay with it, I was just talking yesterday about how I should be focusing Rosalina and I'm glad he got me to do that instead of just straight-up leaving or something, those were the best sets I've played to date.

I played a really scrubby Pally before the Wario/Falco guy (used lots of tilts and dsmash) and actually nearly lost with my Lucario. So hard to tell if I just need to change things up or if I'm actually hopeless with the character. I feel like I don't use my shield anywhere near as much with Lucario as I do with Rosalina though, and I tend to throw out a lot of unsafe things I think, or just pick the wrong moves for the wrong situations.

Though speaking of safe things, holy cow that bair with aura

I say if you want to use a character, keep at it. That was basically me with Ganon in Brawl. I only started using him because Thunderstomping was the coolest thing ever (chaining two at 0% for 44% is the best). Over time he became one of my best characters. ROB was a character that I wanted to use, but IIRC it was quite an adjustment. Learning ROB is probably what got me to use tilts more. It's why I'm not giving up on Villager (plus I've gotten compliments on it so eh). I mean, if you want to drop them, do so. But I'd continue to work on them if you really want to use them. And just because you lose to a specific strategy that is bad on Wi-Fi doesn't make you a bad player.

Related to Brawl Ganon, who knows about his super jump technique?

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Related to Brawl Ganon, who knows about his super jump technique?

Back in the days of Basic Brawl taunt parties, that was one of the most fun things to do.

 

[Ffamran]

I like Dolphin Jump.

 

[Twili]

I have a friend who would mess around with Wolf's Shine with me, and he'd also try so hard to perform double FoGs. Most of the time I'd send us to Target Test because come on, that stage was hella fun.

@Bluekandy come say hi \o/
and woof.

 

[Lavani]

I'm actually not using it. I prefer 3113. However, Crescent Slash is good and it has it's strong points but I still prefer Dolphin Slash.

I was mainly taking a jab at Macchiato drooling over how good the move was and saying it made Lucina amazing. I'd probably run 3123 if I played Marcina myself, but I can see where the vertical recovery of Dolphin Slash would be preferred.

I say if you want to use a character, keep at it. That was basically me with Ganon in Brawl. I only started using him because Thunderstomping was the coolest thing ever (chaining two at 0% for 44% is the best). Over time he became one of my best characters. ROB was a character that I wanted to use, but IIRC it was quite an adjustment. Learning ROB is probably what got me to use tilts more. It's why I'm not giving up on Villager (plus I've gotten compliments on it so eh). I mean, if you want to drop them, do so. But I'd continue to work on them if you really want to use them. And just because you lose to a specific strategy that is bad on Wi-Fi doesn't make you a bad player.

Related to Brawl Ganon, who knows about his super jump technique?

I find it kind of funny that this post is happening after I came off another wifi session with Lucario/MK and felt confident that I was ready to drop both hard.

Might study up on Luc more still idk, there's a very good chance I'm just playing the neutral poorly with him but I feel like his slow startup on everything, bleh range, and double bleh run speed + high traction really holds him back and makes him feel clunky. I think MK's cool but he very clearly doesn't work for me, and I've been trying to make him work for me pretty much since release off and on so eh. Other people'll take the reigns, I bought the game for Rosalina in the first place anyway, no point in going shoeshopping when the glass slipper's already a perfect fit.

what the christ is this emote
jesus

 

[Berserker.]

Related to Brawl Ganon, who knows about his super jump technique?

I still remember that

 

[McKnightlíght]

I meant, there will be. I'm just talking about one particular user. Please don't name search or name tag him

One of my personal criteria for selecting an MU to discuss is: Is there anyone in the said boards that you should worry about?

UU Showld ALWEYs Wori bout ME! I spell Zelda with 3 S's and an A!

 

[Berserker.]

Late reply because I'm dumb

So when are we planning a double date?

I'm not fond of group dates/double dates tbh

 

[Deleted member]

I have a friend who would mess around with Wolf's Shine with me, and he'd also try so hard to perform double FoGs. Most of the time I'd send us to Target Test because come on, that stage was hella fun.

@Bluekandy come say hi \o/
and woof.

TWI.

NO.

NOT KANDY.

 

[McKnightlíght]

Late reply because I'm dumb

I'm not fond of group dates/double dates tbh

How am I supposed to impress this girl with my Zelda knowledge if I ain't got a "G" to back me up!

 

[Berserker.]

How am I supposed to impress this girl with my Zelda knowledge if I ain't got a "G" to back me up!

You wanna reveal how bad Zelderp is?

Count me out bro

 

[McKnightlíght]

Zelda Tier LisT:
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Mid Tier:

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[Locke 06]

Might study up on Luc more still idk, there's a very good chance I'm just playing the neutral poorly with him but I feel like his slow startup on everything, bleh range, and double bleh run speed + high traction really holds him back and makes him feel clunky.

I've only fought one Lucario who I made the character look good. And so now I'm playing Lucario on For Glory to try and emulate him.

His walk speed is really good, and his skid is pretty quick (reminiscent of Zelda) allowing him to make small adjustments and bait pretty well.

Oh wow. High aura aura-sphere charge on the edge is OP AF.

 

[McKnightlíght]

Running Animation Tier List (An incomplete list):

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Mid Tier:

Low Tier: