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Mocha

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FullMoon said:


I finally got to the Top 100 in Anther's Ladder, geez, this took way too long.

It's also kinda sad that I'm only 80th yet the best Greninja in the ladder right now.
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Good stuff dude. I was actually lurking their rankings page and didn't notice any other Greninja before you. Keep it up! What's with the Mario and Samus? Are those characters you played the most against, or did you use them too?
 
Lavani

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Ffamran said:
I thought you knew all! Has my life been a lie?!
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I am afraid if I learn all the secrets of Pac that I will no longer be as entertained by them.

That and it's probably ****ing impossible to learn all of Pac's secrets

This is the first I've ever heard of invincibility on dash attack/sideB though; sideB has armor after eating the pellet, that's all I know.
 
Spirst

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Lavani said:
@ Nu~ Nu~ help
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Hi, I main Pacman too now.

Pacman has super armor on the power pellet after he eats the fruit. There's no invincibility on it from what I know and nor is there invincibility on dash attack. Just tested it now with crash bomb and yeah, nothing. Don't see any mention of invincibility on those two moves anywhere else either.
 
Lavani

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Spirst said:
Hi, I main Pacman too now.

Pacman has super armor on the power pellet after he eats the fruit. There's no invincibility on it from what I know and nor is there invincibility on dash attack. Just tested it now with crash bomb and yeah, nothing. Don't see any mention of invincibility on those two moves anywhere else either.
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Yeah, but I can't just ask you over the guy named Pacman.

That's what I thought though, thanks. Everything continues to add up in my world.
 
Ffamran

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Spirst said:
Hi, I main Pacman too now.

Pacman has super armor on the power pellet after he eats the fruit. There's no invincibility on it from what I know and nor is there invincibility on dash attack. Just tested it now with crash bomb and yeah, nothing. Don't see any mention of invincibility on those two moves anywhere else either.
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Cool, I don't remember, but either the Pac-Man or I had a lot of damage so rage or something.

Also, apparently Falco's Rapid Jab clanks with Meta Knight's Drill Rush.
 
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Fernosaur said:
I wish I was a mod so I could press Edit to see what you wrote and still not do it and then complain about me being able to do it but not doing it.
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I liked this because I have no idea what you just said.
 
Fernosaur

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I stumbled across this gem today. Had no idea the symphony had held special events like this one.

Spoilers: Zelda themes "officially" arranged for chamber music. The shop medley in the middle is amazing~

 
Furret

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so I just finished chapter 5 in FE: genealogy of the holy war and
holy **** everyone dies
 
Macchiato

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On for glory I spam FW and hope the opponent can't shield. I still have a 70% win rate.

On smash ladder I haven't played lately, I'll probably play when I can
 
FullMoon

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Locke 06 said:
I didn't know you played Samus. o.o

Edit: Forgot... Good job!
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I used to, but I dropped her as a secondary and went for Mario instead.

That just goes to show how much I play characters other than Greninja when my secondary is still less used than a character I haven't played in months.

Though in all seriousness maybe I should give Samus another chance again, I wasn't all that bad when I played with her.

Mocha said:
Good stuff dude. I was actually lurking their rankings page and didn't notice any other Greninja before you. Keep it up! What's with the Mario and Samus? Are those characters you played the most against, or did you use them too?
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The ladder keeps track of the three characters you used the most in ranked matches. I've used Samus and Mairo a few times but 90% of the matches I played there were with Greninja.
 
Berserker.

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That moment when no Falcon main has inputted in the thread yet

That moment when I feel like everyone's playing the MU wrong

http://smashboards.com/threads/captain-falcon-match-up-thread-show-me-yo-feels.394178/

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I also realized... **** secondaries. I'm 100% full timing Shulk

I think Falco is REALLY good. It's just his disadvantaged state that's the issue and his mobility but you CANNOT ignore his DPS. I think he's a legit good character and his reward is much bigger than how people depict it to be. I've been messing with this guy as a "For Giggles" character only to find out that he's actually legit in this game. I wanna main him but I'm in love with the Monado boy. I just need to wait for someone to bring results with him
 
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SBphiloz4

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I sound like a broken record now, but Falco is very underrated. Sure, his ground mobility is kind of bad with a lack of good projectiles this time around, and he does have trouble killing to an extent, he can still kill much better than many characters of the cast. Jab2 is so good and leads to nice follow-ups. His aerial edgeguard game is legit, and recovery is actually good for once. Combo ability is great at lower percentages too. All around very solid character.

I think the most unfortunate thing about him though is his horrid MUs against some of the higher tiers in the game. I'm pretty sure Falco vs Pikachu may be one of the most lopsided MUs in the game, and it's definitely not in the bird's favour.
 
Ffamran

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berserker01 said:
That moment when no Falcon main has inputted in the thread yet
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You might have missed him. @ Space Stranger Space Stranger , aren't you a Captain Falcon main?

SBphiloz4 said:
I think the most unfortunate thing about him though is his horrid MUs against some of the higher tiers in the game. I'm pretty sure Falco vs Pikachu may be one of the most lopsided MUs in the game, and it's definitely not in the bird's favour.
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I remember someone saying Falco does well against Pikachu because his ground game was good and not a lot of people said anything after that. In theory, it might work, but that's like saying Manny Pacquiao does well against Anderson Silva because his stand up game is good. For reference: Manny's a boxer while Anderson's a MMA fighter. That's a specialist going against a jack of all trades.

Of the current high tiers, only Rosalina stands out since Jigglypuff seems to be a sleeper character. There's also Shulk, Palutena, ZSS, and probably DK in the future. All of them outrange and/or outspeed Falco.
 
Berserker.

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Rosalina and Captain Falcon are match ups I know really well. I don't know **** about Meta Knight, Marcina, Game and Watch, and some other characters that I'm too lazy to name.

Also:

Having offline friendlies with a not-so-good player >>>>> For Glory
 
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warionumbah2

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berserker01 said:
I don't know **** about Meta Knight,
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I don't know **** about Shulk!

Real talk solo maining is the new trend!!

berserker01 said:
That moment when no Falcon main has inputted in the thread yet
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They haven't helped with the MK MU either, that's what happens when you main a rare character. :[
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Falco: A weaker Ganondorf with a bad projectile,less range,worse spike,smaller hurtbox and disjoints. Samurai ruined him.
 
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Fighting @ Kofu Kofu 's G&W really was an experience, haha. There's just so many underused characters out there and makes life hard, because honestly, nobody really isn't THAT bad in this game.

Again, someone has to occupy the bottom of the tier list, so those with more exploitable weaknesses are bound to be near the bottom, even if they have neat stuff.

As an example, I really think :4gaw:and :4jigglypuff:are good in this game, but don't get enough reps to help them, and they don't exactly have something that make them stand out to a great extent.

And poor :4zelda:. :^(
 
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berserker01 said:
I wanna main him but I'm in love with the Monado boy.
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Well to be fair, he's hot & blonde so there's that

There's a cute blonde guy that I quite like in my music psychology class but I heard from a friend of mine that he's straight so I'm like ;_; </3
/deardiary
 
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Macchiato

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SBphiloz4 said:
Fighting @ Kofu Kofu 's G&W really was an experience, haha. There's just so many underused characters out there and makes life hard, because honestly, nobody really isn't THAT bad in this game.

Again, someone has to occupy the bottom of the tier list, so those with more exploitable weaknesses are bound to be near the bottom, even if they have neat stuff.

As an example, I really think :4gaw:and :4jigglypuff:are good in this game, but don't get enough reps to help them, and they don't exactly have something that make them stand out to a great extent.

And poor :4zelda:. :^(
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And Zelda won't be there. She'll be living it up with shulk and mario in mid tier
 
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Game & Watch is baaically a bunch of jank. Included in his package are multiple windboxes, an Up Smash that makes his head invincible almost the entire duration before the hitbox, one of the silliest but most powerful counterattacks in the game, an Up-B that not only travels a long distance and has a hitbox but also doesn't put him into free fall, an attack that ranges from hurting himself to almost being a OHKO, a really low crouch, and a set of entirely disjointed moves.

Unfortunately he's also the second lightest character, he struggles to get kills outside of OP Oil Panic/Judge and gimps, has generally slow startup on his attacks, has three almost useless throws (UThrow might have some low-percent uses), and bad rolls.

Being light and lacking kill power is what hurts him the most in a game with rage.

I must say though, the buffs to Oil Panic are great. Additionally, my sister (who doesn't play much) said that she feels like everything he does is trolling you. I can't disagree.
 
Lavani

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berserker01 said:
I also realized... **** secondaries. I'm 100% full timing Shulk
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I used to have this mentality. I'm not sure why things changed.

I think :4metaknight: covers :rosalina:'s bad matchups at the least though, so he's a secondary worth having. Well, aside from Sonic.

F**K SONIC

berserker01 said:
I think Falco is REALLY good. It's just his disadvantaged state that's the issue and his mobility but you CANNOT ignore his DPS. I think he's a legit good character and his reward is much bigger than how people depict it to be. I've been messing with this guy as a "For Giggles" character only to find out that he's actually legit in this game. I wanna main him but I'm in love with the Monado boy. I just need to wait for someone to bring results with him
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Falco reminds me a lot of Luigi, but with a worse projectile (sure didn't think that was something I'd ever type before sm4sh) and less consistency in his ability to punish. And less ground speed. But they both hit disproportionately hard for their character type and frame data, even characters like Ganondorf don't want to trade with Falco or Luigi usually.

Falco uthrow combos are very real, I find it hilarious that fh dair>uthrow>uair>weak bair>strong bair is a true combo. Having a frame 4 kill move in bair can't be ignored either.

It's not the worst thing about the character, but it bugs me how easy it is to fall out of nair. I guess a frame 2 12% nair would be pretty ridiculous if it always hit fully, but still.
 
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