Guide Zelda Social: But also the FE Heroes Internet Cafe

[2004Zilla]

Yeah, if I were a princess I'd put an American flag on my dress.

 

[Lavani]

Luigi's D special has auto link angles that cause that semi spike to happen (if he lands the last hit of it, it will send opponents up and out instead), the doc instead just has more hitboxes that aren't auto link. In other words it's easier to connect with doc off stage but it won't semi spike like that

Doc's has autolink hitboxes too actually, but I've never seen it used to spike which is why I was wondering.

 

[FullMoon]

Yeah, if I were a princess I'd put an American flag on my dress.

You could make you entire dress with the pattern of the American flag, only then would you be a true Murican Princess.

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Doc's has autolink hitboxes too actually, but I've never seen it used to spike which is why I was wondering.

stfu you dont know anything about autolink angles

 

[Furret]

So this is how I'm currently playing smash. A Mario controller into a Luigi controller. Sorry for the accidental shipping.

Spoiler

because this joke is so bad I'm going to make fun of you by using an older joke of yours. Please understand that there are no hard feelings, It's just my job to teach class:
At least @ McKnightlíght finds you funny

Doc's has autolink hitboxes too actually, but I've never seen it used to spike which is why I was wondering.

Well I just checked the Doc spin shop and it has 4 hit boxes before the final hit with angles of 90, 90, 180 and 180 with the final two hitboxes being an angle of 45. Am I missing something here?

Edit: they should make his final hit box an angle of 270 that would be so godlike

 

[Fernosaur]

Jesus Christ. Pacman needs more killing options. His b-air should hit so much harder :/. My boyfriend is trying to main him but I find him increasingly disappointed at how I get to 180% and none of his attacks actually inflict considerable knockback.

 

[McKnightlíght]

because this joke is so bad I'm going to make fun of you by using an older joke of yours. Please understand that there are no hard feelings, It's just my job to teach class
At least @ McKnightlíght finds you funny

Well I just checked the Doc spin shop and it has 4 hit boxes before the final hit with angles of 90, 90, 180 and 180 with the final two hitboxes being an angle of 45. Am I missing something here?

Edit: they should make his final hit box an angle of 270 that would be so godlike

All I got out of this is that I have a fan who keeps record of my best jokes.

 

[Lavani]

Yeah, if I were a princess I'd put an American flag on my dress.

I'm regretting this already.

stfu you dont know anything about autolink angles

361° isn't autolink no matter how badly you want it to be.

Well I just checked the Doc spin shop and it has 4 hit boxes before the final hit with angles of 90, 90, 180 and 180 with the final two hitboxes being an angle of 45. Am I missing something here?

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EDIT: I think you were looking at the grounded version of Dr. Tornado. Neither Luigi Cyclone nor Dr. Tornado use autolink angles in their grounded versions.

 

[Ffamran]

@ FullMoon , I remembered that Greninjas were talking about a Falco MU recently... I missed it... I could have done something...

stfu you dont know anything about autolink angles

Falco knew stuff about autolinks, but then Sakurai happened... Fair spikes... No more Fair spikes...

Edit: they should make his final hit box an angle of 270 that would be so godlike

Fun fact: Falco's Utilt's first hit's final frame has a hit angle of 270 and deals 3% unlike the other frames dealing 4% which usually leads to the second hit's 5%. So, technically, Falco has 3 meteors: aerial Falco Phantasm, Dair, and Utilt. The problem is that it's probably so janky, has little range, or something. So, it's probably useless as a meteor.

 

[Furret]

All I got out of this is that I have a fan who keeps record of my best jokes.

fan and guy who is traumatized by how he can't get them out of his head every night are two different things actually. I know, I was shocked too

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I was looking at 226

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I don't play doc I can't tell the difference
edit: in which move is actually the special

 

[Lavani]

Fun fact: Falco's Utilt's first hit's final frame has a hit angle of 270 and deals 3% unlike the other frames dealing 4% which usually leads to the second hit's 5%. So, technically, Falco has 3 meteors: aerial Falco Phantasm, Dair, and Utilt. The problem is that it's probably so janky, has little range, or something. So, it's probably useless as a meteor.

It's not on the final frame, that hitbox is there from frames 6-9 (first hit of utilt is 5-9f) and is on the wingtip. It's weight-based knockback and is really weak though, so it's pretty clearly meant to link into utilt's second hit against opponents you tipper above you.

I was looking at 226

I don't play doc I can't tell the difference
edit: in which move is actually the special

226-229 are grounded downB 1, 2, and 3 respectively. 22A-22C are the aerial versions.

 

[micstar615]

You know for someone who loves smash and talks about it all of the time and plays it quite a bit, I'm pretty darn awful at it xD however the only "experience" I get is from friends, families and computers so..

 

[McKnightlíght]

Ouch my feeligns

 

[Ffamran]

It's not on the final frame, that hitbox is there from frames 6-9 (first hit of utilt is 5-9f) and is on the wingtip. It's weight-based knockback and is really weak though, so it's pretty clearly meant to link into utilt's second hit against opponents you tipper above you.

It's so weird since I've never seen Utilt do 8%; it's always 9% and is one of Falco's better juggles and is a reliable multi-hit move unlike Nair, sometimes Fair, and Up Smash.

It's like that hidden Goomba in Super Mario 64 that's just there and nobody really knows about it nor do people care since everything else is more important than a nonexistent Goomba and 1% less of damage.

 

[Furret]

Ouch my feeligns

hey man you gotta remember

It's so weird since I've never seen Utilt do 8%; it's always 9% and is one of Falco's better juggles and is a reliable multi-hit move unlike Nair, sometimes Fair, and Up Smash.

It's like that hidden Goomba in Super Mario 64 that's just there and nobody really knows about it nor do people care since everything else is more important than a nonexistent Goomba and 1% less of damage.

if you want to talk weird, all three of Luigi's green missiles (the regular and other variation) have hitboxes that are written to do 10% damage even though they all have varied minimum damage and maximum damage. Additionally there is no second hitbox written in the move's direct location even though at the end and start of green missile it does the least damage. It's one crappy file to read and I'm still trying to get it down

not like anyone gives a crap about green missile anyways

 

[FullMoon]

@ FullMoon , I remembered that Greninjas were talking about a Falco MU recently... I missed it... I could have done something...

Yes we did and... I forgot to post a request for input in Falco's board, it was the only one I missed too.

 

[McKnightlíght]

hey man you gotta remember

Thanks T-Swizz <3

 

[Latte]

I think these are the bottom ten of smash

@ L Latte i think my optimism died. Slowly falling down the tier list... Like zelda

It's alright. Nobody will judge you for finally realizing she sucks terribly.

 

[Lavani]

I think these are the bottom ten of smash

gorl...

 

[Furret]

everyone is entitled to their opinion is smash. You just need to remember that it seems only members of the back room seem to have opinions that matter. Which I am both for and against

 

[Lavani]

Even so, I'll eat my hat if Meta Knight is lower than #35. I have him at #27 on my (largely unupdated for a month) list, currently.

 

[Ffamran]

Yes we did and... I forgot to post a request for input in Falco's board, it was the only one I missed too.

I can see why you'd miss him. People tend to treat SSB4 Falco like he doesn't exist...

Even so, I'll eat my hat if Meta Knight is lower than #35. I have him at #27 on my (largely unupdated for a month) list, currently.

People bet that ProtonJon couldn't beat Kaizo; they ate their hats.

 

[Lavani]

People bet that ProtonJon couldn't beat Kaizo; they ate their hats.

gorl i ain't know bout no protonjon but dram55 is love

 

[Furret]

gorl i ain't know bout no protonjon but dram55 is love

we giving shout outs to speed runs now?

I can see why you'd miss him. People tend to treat SSB4 Falco like he doesn't exist...

well I mean Sakurai was kinda like oh Falco

welcome to your new home where people will give you crap

 

[Ffamran]

gorl i ain't know bout no protonjon but dram55 is love

ProtonJon and Slowbeef? were the first "Let's Players". Well, they were more like the first to commentate while gaming.

Unrelated, but I think I am the most depressing mod.

 

[Lavani]

we giving shout outs to speed runs now?

I don't think it's possible to give CGN enough shoutouts. I always miss his streams though ;_;

Also shoutouts to that Ridley plush at AGDQ, that thing was godlike:

ProtonJon and Slowbeef? were the first "Let's Players". Well, they were more like the first to commentate while gaming.

Oh, right.

I never really got into LPs.

 

[McKnightlíght]

I hate Zelda v Little Mac. It feels like a game of "I hope I can grab him."

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I hate Zelda v Little Mac. It feels like a game of "I hope I can grab him with my frame 10 grab."

ftfy

 

[Lavani]

At least it isn't Greninja's 14 frame grab.

I find the matchup really annoying as Rosalina too since Luma dies to collateral constantly, but I'm probably just approaching it wrong.

Then again, both those characters at least have other things they can do too. What does Zelda even have against Mac aside from her grab?

 

[McKnightlíght]

fifty

Thanks!

 

[KuroganeHammer]

At least it isn't Greninja's 14 frame grab.

I find the matchup really annoying as Rosalina too since Luma dies to collateral constantly, but I'm probably just approaching it wrong.

Then again, both those characters at least have other things they can do too. What does Zelda even have against Mac aside from her grab?

yeah but you have your dash grab and move fast and your dash grab is good.

 

[Furret]

I don't think it's possible to give CGN enough shoutouts. I always miss his streams though ;_;

cause there are more blue moons than his streams, just wish he had a mic. he's always typing in chat

yeah but you have your dash grab and move fast and your dash grab is good.

i like chicken too!

Spoiler

 

[Mericus]

That's cringeworthy, I have a question for those that played Melee competitively. Was it the same with Fox?
I assume the answer is yes, and Fox was everywhere

Fox was more common yes, but top placements DID involve a variety of characters like Berserker mentioned + Marth, Falco, and a few others.
( sorry if someone already covered this, I'm catching up on soooo many pages I missed at the moment x.x )

 

[Lavani]

I was thinking about Zelda's customs and realized I hadn't considered Farore's Windfall after ledgesnap vulnerability had been discovered, so I went to go test it, and, well...

 

[Berserker.]

Link doesn't feel bottom 10, imo

Also, I'm picking up Melee (By pick up, I meant I'll take it seriously)

 

[Fireemblemfreak]

I guess I just like simple and clean looks instead of stuff like Cloud in Kingdom Hearts 1. Jaysus, those were a lot of belts and bandages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLHjtg7cZqY

The lyrics to this song are so ****ing stupid but it sounds pretty. But you said simple and clean + Kingdom Hearts, how could I not?

 

[Macchiato]

Jesus Christ. Pacman needs more killing options. His b-air should hit so much harder :/. My boyfriend is trying to main him but I find him increasingly disappointed at how I get to 180% and none of his attacks actually inflict considerable knockback.

Well he has the apple, key, smashes, sideB, and I think that's it.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Link doesn't feel bottom 10, imo

Also, I'm picking up Melee (By pick up, I meant I'll take it seriously)

Link is probably mid at least
Although he's received quite a number of improvements, so has the rest of the cast.

 

[Fireemblemfreak]

Jesus Christ. Pacman needs more killing options. His b-air should hit so much harder :/. My boyfriend is trying to main him but I find him increasingly disappointed at how I get to 180% and none of his attacks actually inflict considerable knockback.

B-boyfriend..? I want one of those..

Edit: OKAY I FOUND THIS WHEN LOOKING FOR SIMPLE AND CLEAN EARILER FOR THAT REFRENCE AND THE GIRL IS SO GOOD WHAT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5rIpOmuD7U

 

[evmaxy54]

So, I made another poster.

Spoiler

View attachment 36529

I was also thinking about putting this in it as well but I wasn't sure.

Spoiler: kinda NSFW

View attachment 36531

I would give you 10 likes if I could for just Shulk alone

B-boyfriend..? I want one of those..

So do quite a few of us...

Too bad sis