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[Macchiato]

There's really no point in continuing this little "debate" since I can tell it's not going to go anywhere.

The only thing I have to say is don't let your passion for a character blind you. I've noticed that throughout all of your mains, you get really defensive when anyone says that x character is low tier or whatever. Like tiers don't really mean much at all and some one has to be at the bottom of the list. That's just how it works. Like, everyone has their own opinions and whatnot about who will end up at the bottom, but none of know for sure who it's going to be. And so what if your main actually becomes bottom or low tier? You can be the one to show us that the character is still capable and can win. idk just something i had to get off my chest.
also, you do this thing where you say something is "hard to do" or "hard to use" and it's a little bit condescending to others but idk if you knew that or not.

I think you're a cool guy but sometimes you get a little bit too passionate about stuff and that's okay, man.

#sorry4rambling

edit: @ rabbits i don't know much about the Marios but I'm pretty sure that Doc's sweetspot is at the palm of his hand and Mario's is at the fireball. I'm not 100% sure though.

Lol I know but it's gotten to the point where I'm sure he's not bottom. He can kill easily, rack up damage, and I've main many characters and some I can say that they're bottom like I'm sure little Mac will slowly fall, charizard is bad character imo. And we'll Dedede might be bottom but I secondary him anyways. Lucina might be bottom, G&W is bottom imo. I only defend the characters I really see have more potential then people are giving credit for.

 

[Cenizas]

For more Zeldaganda can we get something like this with her face on it?

 

[BJN39]

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It could be better in my opinion.
Also, why ? Wouldn't it be or for example ?

http://smashboards.com/threads/parallel-falchion-lucina-general-and-q-a.383652/page-2

pages 2-6.

PS gorls I put the Zeldaganda on their theadT. :3

Let it be known Lucinas, we love yew and yew were pretty good sports about iT.

 

[Luggy]

Doc Fsmash related: Well, I'm not sure about comparative to the rest of the cast, but I quickly did a comparison of the data between Marios and...
(Relevant Data)

Mario:
Sour-Spot : 14%
Size=2
Distance from close in=-1

Sweet-Spot : 17%
Size=5
Distance from close in=5.4

Doc:
Sweet-Spot : 17% (Two hit-boxes)
Size=2.5
Distances from close in=0, 3

Sour-Spot : 14%
Size=3.7
Distnaces from close in=4.3

So it kind of has a Marth/Roy thing going on, where Mario's needs to be spaced correctly to get the sweet-spot, while Doc's needs to be hit with at close range to get the sweet-spot. On top of that, Doc's Sour-spot (Which is spaced similarly to Mario's sweet-spot) is smaller and slightly closer in. AKA less range. BUT, his sweet-spot IS farther out and larger than Mario's sour-spot. (If it matters.) Both have identical KBs, both hit on frame 15.

The thing is, FSmash is not that used, unless you have a good read. DSmash for me is the most useful Smash. It has the biggest range and has good KO abilities. Plus, DSmash do more damage from the back. USmash is also better to punish opponents from behind.
Really, the FSmash is not that used.

 

[Luggy]

http://smashboards.com/threads/parallel-falchion-lucina-general-and-q-a.383652/page-2

pages 2-6.

PS gorls I put the Zeldaganda on their theadT. :3

Let it be known Lucinas, we love yew and yew were pretty good sports about iT.

Oh okay. Neat.

 

[Fireemblemfreak]

So, my first propaganda banner.
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I made mopcina the profile picture in the Lucina skype group, but I think this might be better, hold on a sec.. ah, much better

 

[Macchiato]

The thing is, FSmash is not that used, unless you have a good read. DSmash for me is the most useful Smash. It has the biggest range and has good KO abilities. Plus, DSmash do more damage from the back. USmash is also better to punish opponents from behind.
Really, the FSmash is not that used.

Really? I do a lot. So does Koolaid. I guess its just playstyle dependent. But legit, half of the doc mains gave up on him and then there's like 5 of us who think he's actually mid.

 

[Rizen]

For reference, Link's Fsmash is frame 15, like the good doctor's, and I consider that slow.

 

[Furret]

we talking about the doc?

Same, and the struggles of being a gamer gurl

wait wut

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It could be better in my opinion.
Also, why ? Wouldn't it be or for example ?

you clearly don't know much about this social thread do you?

 

[Macchiato]

For reference, Link's Fsmash is frame 15, like the good doctor's, and I consider that slow.

Really? I don't think its that bad. Like it could've been wii fits. Hers need a hard read so her only reliable kill moves are Bair and ftilt. I think both link and docs are better for punishes

 

[Luggy]

Really? I do a lot. So does Koolaid. I guess its just playstyle dependent. But legit, half of the doc mains gave up on him and then there's like 5 of us who think he's actually mid.

It's sad. is good, he just need more attention. But apparently, it's more interresting to talk about or for some people.
For the playstyle itself, I only use the FSmash when I'm sure it'll hit. Other than that, DSmash is better in my opinion. It punishes rolls and can K.O at 110%, or less if I remember correctly.

For reference, Link's Fsmash is frame 15, like the good doctor's, and I consider that slow.

The only difference is there's two hits. Doc can FSmash and leave without being punished hard. Link FSmash is tricky, but easy to punish for a lot of characters. That's only my opinion.

 

[Fireemblemfreak]

I swear my Twitter/Skype picture looks like a #gamergurl , I mean, half the time people think I'm a girl anyway, soo it's kinda funny

 

[SBphiloz4]

Oh yeah guys, today's the HUGE 1000+ people online tourney, so you might expect a bit of online troubles today, as so many people are going to be playing online all at once.

And I also have almost enough footage to make my second Zelda compilation vid! But that means sacrificing my sanity and going into For Glory just to be able to do silly and flashy combos on bad players. ; w ;

 

[Macchiato]

It's sad. is good, he just need more attention. But apparently, it's more interresting to talk about or for some people.
For the playstyle itself, I only use the FSmash when I'm sure it'll hit. Other than that, DSmash is better in my opinion. It punishes rolls and can K.O at 110%, or less if I remember correctly.


The only difference is there's two hits. Doc can FSmash and leave without being punished hard. Link FSmash is tricky, but easy to punish for a lot of characters. That's only my opinion.

All they talk about in the character impressions thread is diddy, Rosie, fox, ZSS, (insert more top tiers). All the rep doc gets is from koolaid, TKBreezy, and sometimes zucco

 

[Luggy]

All they talk about in the character impressions thread is diddy, Rosie, fox, ZSS, (insert more top tiers). All the rep doc gets is from koolaid, TKBreezy, and sometimes zucco

Top tiers bruh'. Top tiers.
I still wonder when we'll going to have an official tier list. Appart for the Japanese one, there's no real tier lists.

 

[rabbits]

All they talk about in the character impressions thread is diddy, Rosie, fox, ZSS, (insert more top tiers). All the rep doc gets is from koolaid, TKBreezy, and sometimes zucco

But for good reason.

 

[Fireemblemfreak]

Top tiers bruh'. Top tiers.
I still wonder when we'll going to have an official tier list. Appart for the Japanese one, there's no real tier lists.

any tier list with diddy lower than first is bull****

 

[Mocha]

@ Fireemblemfreak love the avi, I used to have the same one :D

Also Nairo makes Zelda look so good, sorry if posted
http://youtu.be/Rw3Ve9veAvk

Amazing display @Nairo

Omg I was literally getting salty at Zero watching these lmao

 

[Ffamran]

All they talk about in the character impressions thread is diddy, Rosie, fox, ZSS, (insert more top tiers). All the rep doc gets is from koolaid, TKBreezy, and sometimes zucco

Meanwhile, Shaya keeps reminding people about Pikachu. I think there was a Pikachu was good and people did get zapped about it. Then there's the occasional mentions of other characters who just meh, nothing really happens.

 

[Lorde]

So I googled "rosalina sad" to add to a Zeldaganda poster and I found this:

Spoiler: Sexy Bowser

lol wat

 

[Macchiato]

Docs Fsmash kills crazy early though. Lol like in one battle I got a fully charged fsmash off and it killed... At 30 good times good times

 

[rabbits]

So I googled "rosalina sad" to add to a Zeldaganda poster and I found this:

Spoiler: Sexy Bowser

lol wat

Looks pretty happy to me...

 

[Luggy]

any tier list with diddy lower than first is bull****

Mew2King and ZeRo consider now the second best character, putting at first place.
If people ear this, then they'll follow. I already saw a lot of people playing other characters, like .

 

[rabbits]

Mew2King and ZeRo consider now the second best character, putting at first place.
If people ear this, then they'll follow. I already saw a lot of people playing other characters, like .

Does Shiek even have losing matchups?

 

[Macchiato]

Mew2King and ZeRo consider now the second best character, putting at first place.
If people ear this, then they'll follow. I already saw a lot of people playing other characters, like .

WHAT SHEIK CAN BARELY EVEN KILL. WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT. WELL AGAIN MEW2KING DID SAY THAT SHEIK WOULD BE BOTTOM TIER IN THE BEGINNING SO.

 

[Cenizas]

Sometimes I feel we're the prince from Katamari and that we are going to roll up each of the character boards when we raid them and them we roll up each of the forums until our sass katamari rolls up the entirety of Smashboards.

 

[rabbits]

WHAT SHEIK CAN BARELY EVEN KILL. WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT. WELL AGAIN MEW2KING DID SAY THAT SHEIK WOULD BE BOTTOM TIER IN THE BEGINNING SO.

r u cereal

edit: But I agree that M2K probably isn't the best person to listen to for tier list predictions. He rated a lot of characters low prerelease because he couldn't get a feel for them.

 

[Luggy]

Does Shiek even have losing matchups?

Not sure. Maybe to or . She can't K.O really early though.
I also feel that will be top tier. He has the moves to go back to his Melee place.

WHAT SHEIK CAN BARELY EVEN KILL. WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT. WELL AGAIN MEW2KING DID SAY THAT SHEIK WOULD BE BOTTOM TIER IN THE BEGINNING SO.

Grabs and Fair are strong with her. But if people ear that Sheik is considered better, then they'll follow the tips. It was the same with the Diddy waves.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

So I googled "rosalina sad" to add to a Zeldaganda poster and I found this:

Spoiler: Sexy Bowser

lol wat

Trust me, this isn't the worst thing you can find on the internet. Sadly.

 

[Macchiato]

r u cereal

edit: But I agree that M2K probably isn't the best person to listen to for tier list predictions. He rated a lot of characters low prerelease because he couldn't get a feel for them.

Yes in his initial tier list he said Sheik is bottom tier this game.

 

[rabbits]

Not sure. Maybe to or . She can't K.O really early though.
I also feel that will be top tier. He has the moves to go back to his Melee place.

I'm interested in Falcon because I saw Mr. R playing him.
/deardiary

 

[Lorde]

tbh I think that Sheik's problems killing aren't as bad as everyone says. Bair kills decently enough (like around 120-130%) and Bouncing Fish kills a little bit later than that. Her amazing edgeguarding garners a lot of her kills, too. While she definitely has a bit of difficulty killing, it's probs exaggerated.

and what was M2K on when he said that? because the first time I played sheik on release day of Smash 3ds, I thought "wow, sheik's reclaiming her throne."

 

[Fireemblemfreak]

Mew2King and ZeRo consider now the second best character, putting at first place.
If people ear this, then they'll follow. I already saw a lot of people playing other characters, like .

I've had enough of ZeRo as of recently. And, then why the **** does ZeRo always use Diddy?

 

[Luggy]

r u cereal

edit: But I agree that M2K probably isn't the best person to listen to for tier list predictions. He rated a lot of characters low prerelease because he couldn't get a feel for them.

Yet, he still influenced the waves. When he started playing him, everybody played Diddy.
And he still can predict stuff well. Remember in Brawl ? At first it was , but when M2K played , everybody played him. It's scary how influencial this guy can be.

 

[Furret]

Oh yeah guys, today's the HUGE 1000+ people online tourney, so you might expect a bit of online troubles today, as so many people are going to be playing online all at once.

if nintendo can't handle an influx of 1000 people on its network, I'm going to be concerned

Mew2King and ZeRo consider now the second best character, putting at first place.
If people ear this, then they'll follow. I already saw a lot of people playing other characters, like .

smeti on
noitanitsed lanif
ylno xof
but for real though it's good to see fox back, can't stand falco very frustrating to play against

WHAT SHEIK CAN BARELY EVEN KILL. WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT. WELL AGAIN MEW2KING DID SAY THAT SHEIK WOULD BE BOTTOM TIER IN THE BEGINNING SO.

just cause her mid stage kill options are bad doesn't mean she can't kill, fairs and bouncing fish can just escort people of the edge almost jiggs style

well no one can do jiggs style

 

[Fernosaur]

I may or may not have played you on Smash... is your ID Ferno?

My ID is Fern, and my game name is Fernosaur.

Dunno if we played :O but I'm sorry for everything because I think my connection was the one causing the lag :'D

Edit: Scratch that, my Mii's name is Fern

 

[Autumn ♫]

Mew2King and ZeRo consider now the second best character, putting at first place.
If people ear this, then they'll follow. I already saw a lot of people playing other characters, like .

Wait, what? Does that mean I have to change my other main now, just so I don't look like a tier noob?

Also, hi everyone! I main Lucina, so I should probably leave before the riots come in.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Wait, what? Does that mean I have to change my other main now, just so I don't look like a tier noob?

Also, hi everyone! I main Lucina, so I should probably leave before the riots come in.

Just play however you like, either the bad version of Zelda or the mop

Joke aside, you like Sheik? Play Sheik. Don't give a damn about tier list and smack those tier noobs who try to play Sheik.

 

[Fireemblemfreak]

Apparently Mopcina is only funny sometimes.. Lameeeeee no fair.

 

[BJN39]

Also, hi everyone! I main Lucina, so I should probably leave before the riots come in.

Were yew brought here by the Zeldaganda?