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[evmaxy54]

The National is great music to use fancy glasses

COME BE MY WAITRESS TONIGHT SERVE ME THE SKY AND A BIG SLICE OF LEMON

 

[Lavani]

Making some of this for the first time. Haven't tasted it yet (still steeping) but it smells great.

(edit: less flavor than I expected by the scent, but it's pretty good regardless)

LL is definitely situational, but when Luma's in a favorable position, I feel like it's almost required for you to LL. If timed correctly, it's literally a free hitbox. You can throw it out and shield immediately (after taking the required soft/hard landing lag, so I guess it's not free, but it's close). How many characters can throw out disjointed hitboxes with nearly 0 lag every time they land?

It's not like you can't throw out an aerial on your way down, and then LL after it ends. All you need is a single frame to LL. That's what I meant when I said that most of Rosalinda's landings will probably use LL in the future.

However, all the good aerials you'd want to LL are frame perfect, so that's a considerable barrier in the way of its accessibility and usefulness.

I don't really want to type a huge wall about Rosa theory here, but the problem with throwing a falling aerial into LL is that aside from uair, Rosa's aerials are as laggy as Palutena smash attacks which kind of makes doing that in a useful way hard if not impossible. LL is really good and I abuse it probably more than I should in neutral, but when you're trying to land it's rare that the stars align properly (ha).

 

[Cress!]

So the next Splatfest theme is Naught vs Nice and most people are going team Naughty. I typed this up in Sasssquids Social but I'll post it here too because why not
"People choose team Naughty because they know they won't get anything for Christmas so they think digital objects that won't impact their life at all will compensate."

 

[Strong-Arm]

...

Is something the matter

 

[McKnightlíght]

Is something the matter

The knee

 

[Burgundy]

So the next Splatfest theme is Naught vs Nice and most people are going team Naughty. I typed this up in Sasssquids Social but I'll post it here too because why not
"People choose team Naughty because they know they won't get anything for Christmas so they think digital objects that won't impact their life at all will compensate."

I thought about going Naughty for the potentially awesome Red ink but I chose Nice because I must support my favorite Squid Sister at all cost. Marie is fueled by sass and one day she will win Splatfest TvT

 

[Rion]

And how is this worse than if you were to play someone like ? Nobody, not a single character in the game, wants to be above their opponent. Some characters have burst movement such as Bouncing Fish, Flip Jump, or Monkey Flip to help them escape the situation, and that's why they're top tiers. For everyone else, you have to figure out how to land past disjointed anti-airs, and that is pretty much universally "challenge it with something risky or throw them off with weaving and b-reverses" unless you're a puffball with multiple jumps "Zelda's landing options suck" is probably true as a general statement, but relative to the cast I can think of worse characters to be.

Ganondorf's run speed > Yoshi's air speed, for what that's worth.

I'm okay with calling a bad character bad, I'm not okay with acting like she's uniquely horrible at landing when she has more options than characters more viable than her.

Actually, I'm pretty sure out of all the characters you listed there they probably have an easier time landing and getting back into safe territory than Zelda does, haha. That could just be me!

If your argument is "Zelda's landing options aren't as bad as other characters" and you're okay with acknowledging her short comings as a whole, I don't really understand why it's so important to make this distinction on "uniquely bad" and "bad" when... they're both bad and it doesn't really change her overall standing?

In fact, the person you were originally responding to (Rickster) didn't even say it was "uniquely bad". He just said it was one of her greatest weaknesses, which is not the same thing:

- terrible landing options all around. Perhaps one of her biggest weaknesses

That's all I can think of for now. To me, her lack of landing options and inability to deal with hyper defensive playstyles are her biggest flaws.

I think you may have misunderstood his argument? Haha.

Honestly, I literally only play Zelda when I play Smash. She's just a character I've gotten attached to ever since I started playing her in the Melee days. I really don't feel right playing any other character than her (though upcoming Cloud is someone I'm predicting I'm gonna enjoy playing, if only because I am a huge Final Fantasy fan).

I really understand when people want to make arguments for her viability because I do my best to make her work in whatever match I'm in. But just kind of blindly saying "she can do this and that as an option" without a giving it a scrutinizing eye seems like a big oversight to me?

As frustrating as it is to be met with harsh skepticism, it's almost more infuriating when you're met with overwhelmingly misplaced optimism in this regard because you're trying to give us solutions that... really aren't solid solutions.

This is just based on my observation, please tell me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you don't even play Zelda? Haha, or did you used to but you moved onto Rosalina? I'm a bit confused.

In conclusion, let's not get caught up silly, shallow semantics and let's discuss real solutions and analysis. Not just ideals, best-situations and/or throw out answers with no evidence or application or experience to back these claims up!

Sigh!

God, I need to play some Smash now. Jeez. Out of the way ladies!

 

[Ffamran]

I wonder if it'll still be Turkey Day if Zelda gets buffed in patch 1.1.3? If it is, then I guess Zelda is a turkey.

 

[FullMoon]

I love how you went undefeated until you met Greninja's natural predator

Such is life. Though admittedly I'm just really bad at the Sheik MU in general.

I know there was one guy who managed to take a game out of me in Losers Finals with Luigi and he pretty much went "Oh my god I actually won one!", was pretty funny

People seem to really like my Greninja too, I was kind of the fan-favorite of the event.

Though really I only went undefeated because people didn't realize that airdodging often against Greninja is a bad idea. Hooray for MU inexperience.

 

[Space Stranger]

You know Zelda is low tier when she can't even properly recognize the current holiday that's approaching.

We gave a similar test to Captain Falcon, a braindead Diddy Kong, a kitchen sponge, and an earthworm.





. . .



All were able to properly recognize Christmas except for Falcon who insisted that it was Independence Day since we must continue to deliver justice. He passed anyway for his effort.

 

[Flavius]

All were able to properly recognize Christmas except for Falcon who insisted that it was Independence Day since we must continue to deliver justice. He passed anyway for his effort.

Justice will never be served as long as Zelda continues to terrorize smash with her sassT. Which is why Zelda must be banned in the upcoming patch

 

[2004Zilla]

Today/yesterday was my first day volunteering at the AZ Museum. Me and some other guy were in charge of an activity table for kids. Since my shift's till closing time, we basically have the entire last hour off. We ended up talking about creationist theories on dinosaurs and Fallout 4 - or rather, he did, because I have no played a single Fallout game in my life lol. Not bad for a first day. I get 15% off museum gift shop purchases soooooo it looks like I'm getting me some dinosaur figures for Chrissmas.

N-no, gorls! Think of the unhealthy salt levels! It's bad for your beaty chest thingie.

I didn't. I did end up reporting him but knowing Miiverse's admins that did Jack ****. Too busy trashing people mentioning unofficial Nintendo games.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Went to a tourney with low assistance (19) but it had some of the best local players.

I woke up deciding to pick up Robin (I changed the main postbit yesterday night actually) and somehow managed to finish 4th beating one of those players. I might keep using her until everyone figure the matchup and how limited she actually is.

 

[Ffamran]

You know Zelda is low tier when she can't even properly recognize the current holiday that's approaching.

Maybe Hyrule is like Canada where Thanksgiving is celebrated on a different date.

 

[Rizen]

Maybe Hyrule is like Canada where Thanksgiving is celebrated on a different date.

Hyrule doesn't really have thanksgiving but they do have Goron history month, Fairy Pride Day, The Picori Festival, Mask-O-Ween, Wacking Day, The Carnival of Time, Oktoberfest and about 10 independence days, you know from all the times Hyrule was briefly taken over.

 

[Trieste SP]

It's a sad day when you realize that Zelda has possible more realistic landing options than Swordfailure

This is true but Swolefighter is overall a better character than Zelda.

 

[EODM07]

Afternoon girls. How's everyone doing?

Just having my lunch cook, and two days to go till that final broadcast.

And I gotta post another sheet to University yet again, which I'll do tomorrow morning. :V
Speaking of Uni, I'm thinking of maybe getting a laptop for my birthday next year. So that way, I can use that for all of my work.

Spoiler: Yuri pic of the day~

 

[Rizen]

^I've been better tbh.

 

[EODM07]

^I've been better tbh.

Hopefully things will get better for you later on today or tomorrow. o.o

Also, I just made someone very salty on Showdown! again. :V

I bodied them in the VGC 2016 rules.
And I jokingly quote Bizarro Flame from APEX. "EASY MONEY!"

He then snaps, says some vulgar stuff. And so on. He was very salty. :V
He was trying to act not so salty afterwards.

 

[Shrokatii]

Hyrule doesn't really have thanksgiving but they do have Goron history month, Fairy Pride Day, The Picori Festival, Mask-O-Ween, Wacking Day, The Carnival of Time, Oktoberfest and about 10 independence days, you know from all the times Hyrule was briefly taken over.

Correction, the carnival of time is celebrated in Termina

 

[Benishigure]

So a couple of nights ago I had some friends over at my place for a Sm4sh/Mario Kart as kind of a post-exam/pre-Christmas celebration or whatever, and one of my friends suggested that we play a 7-player 3-stock game with all of us only using Wii Fit Trainer. Because apparently Wii Fit Trainer is OP, according to his expert (lmao) opinion.

We did just that, and eventually it came down to me and said friend as the last ones left. And he wouldn't stop spamming uncharged Sun Salutations smh.

Guess who won anyway.

Spoiler: MMHMMMM

lmao so I think it's pretty self explanatory which Trainer I am

also I forgot the rankings of P1 and P6 but said friend was P7 so ye

 

[EODM07]

So a couple of nights ago I had some friends over at my place for a Sm4sh/Mario Kart as kind of a post-exam/pre-Christmas celebration or whatever, and one of my friends suggested that we play a 7-player 3-stock game with all of us only using Wii Fit Trainer. Because apparently Wii Fit Trainer is OP, according to his expert (lmao) opinion.

We did just that, and eventually it came down to me and said friend as the last ones left. And he wouldn't stop spamming uncharged Sun Salutations smh.

Guess who won anyway.

It was Zelda right?

 

[r_greening1]

about 10 independence days, you know from all the times Hyrule was briefly taken over.

you win some, you lose some

 

[Lavani]

three steps ahead

 

[EODM07]

three steps ahead

That was an amazing power shield.

Also, saw Episode 11 of One Punch Man. Amazing as usual.

 

[Lil Puddin]

Yo gorls, dis thread really needs an update to it's title. Happy Dessert Month would still be totally accurate and food related. C:

Videos of the day!

Spoiler: EODM07's waifu is the worst

BAN•MARTHA

Spoiler: Wa's typical day off

Spoiler: Obligatory Undertale video/summary

 

[EODM07]

Yo gorls, dis thread really needs an update to it's title. Happy Dessert Month would still be totally accurate and food related. C:

Videos of the day!

Spoiler: EODM07's waifu is the worst

BAN•MARTHA

OK.

(But Lucina ain't my waifu. That goes to Mikuru. )

 

[SBphiloz4]

What's you girls' wish list for the upcoming update? My wishlist:

- Japanese/English audio switch option

... I think that's it. Everything else would probz be sprinkles on top.

 

[EODM07]

What's you girls' wish list for the upcoming update? My wishlist:

- Japanese/English audio switch option

... I think that's it. Everything else would probz be sprinkles on top.

I'd like to see maybe a buff or two with Lucina, no freefall after Din's Fire is a must for me.

And probably like you. Japanese/English audio switch too.

 

[Lavani]

What's you girls' wish list for the upcoming update? My wishlist:

- Japanese/English audio switch option

... I think that's it. Everything else would probz be sprinkles on top.

uair knockback changed to fixed knockback so it can't string into itself more than twice but will always confirm into Shuttle Loop regardless of percent (prevents low percent ceiling carry cheese but creates a comparatively early and consistent kill setup)

early kills could be nerfed by returning stage boundaries to 3DS sizes or by removing rage. Luma uair's knockback and angle are very deliberate so I doubt it will ever be changed, and I don't think the MK treatment would work for or even make sense on ZSS.

should lose the startup jump+reappearing hit and wind on Vanish and lose the ability to manually kick out of Bouncing Fish

JPN/ENG audio switch would be cool too. And buffs to some lower tiers, but I don't have much of an opinion on that at this point.

 

[Jaguar360]

What's you girls' wish list for the upcoming update? My wishlist:

- Japanese/English audio switch option

... I think that's it. Everything else would probz be sprinkles on top.

- At least one of the following characters: Tails, Knuckles, Sceptile, Bomberman, Ryu Hayabusa
- What Lavani said

 

[Koiba]

I want to be able to move the menu with the cstick

And language toggle

And Jigglybuffs

 

[TTTTTsd]

My demands from the new patch are pretty high.
- Cloud released.

Hopefully Tuesday will do a lot!

 

[Ffamran]

Welp, boredom leads to interesting finds: apparently, there was a wild turkey named Zelda that lived in New York City's Battery Park. She was named after Zelda Fitzgerald just like Princess Zelda was... Guess Zelda really is a turkey. Read all about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelda_(turkey).

 

[Jaguar360]

My demands from the new patch are pretty high.
- Cloud released.

Hopefully Tuesday will do a lot!

Pun game too strong

 

[Strong-Arm]

Merry Blartmas gurls

 

[Cress!]

Nintendo isn't afraid to make fun of the Ridley fans.

For changes, I just want Wii Fit to heal more tbh. 2% per fully charged SS isn't really that threatening since you'll only heal about 10% per stock which isn't really much. While Robin's Nosferatu can heal 30% within a few seconds, THAT'S threatening. Maybe buff it to 3% per DB and fully charged SS?
Also make Lucas' grab usable.

 

[EODM07]

I'd like to ask you girls a question.

And it's about this one song from Undertale.

Spoiler: Spoilered due to spoilers in Genocide Route

There's a song that plays when facing against Mettaton NEO called Power of "NEO". Even though it's a very short song, I'd like to ask you girls. What do you think of this remix version I found by someone named IKARUS.

Nintendo isn't afraid to make fun of the Ridley fans.

Well, they wanted Ridley to appear in a crossover game. There you go.

(Has this been shown on one of the discussion threads for Ridley?)

 

[Macchiato]

What's you girls' wish list for the upcoming update? My wishlist:

- Japanese/English audio switch option

... I think that's it. Everything else would probz be sprinkles on top.

Any buff, I'm not picky just make her better

Removed

Reduce U-Throw hitstun

An option not let people join your room if you don't want them to

 

[Gay Ginger]

I finally had my appointment at the French consulate, and now I just have to wait for my visa to be approved and then I can book my flight to France! I'm expecting to arrive there either January 8th or 9th, depending on flight prices and availability. I'm excited and anxious at the same time.

On unrelated news, I found this, and I don't know why I find it so funny, but I do.