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[kenniky]

tbh when I saw there was a player named Mocha in EVO top 32 I thought of our Mocha

then realized sonic

 

[FullMoon]

I also have a Robin and Palutena amiibo but those are less important =V

Now I just have to wait for Lucas.

 

[kenniky]

Does width of a Mii change range or only weight?

@Antonykun

 

[Ffamran]

You'd think the best players in the game would ban SV against the best character in the game. Sheiks will continue to steamroll so long as SV isn't banned.

Then she'll get nerfed due to all the complaints. Then Rosalina will be next in line, you pick Halberd against her all the time, complaints about dying early, she gets nerfed <---Sm4sh cycle.

SF community stay based.

And my goal shall be to take people to horrible stages that nobody wants to play on i.e. Duck Hunt, Castle Siege, Delfino, Halberd, Dreamland, Miiverse, Battlefield, and Final Destination. Oh, you want to play on T&C? How about Castle Siege instead? Smashville? Nah, the 64 classic of Dreamland is better. You don't like dying early? Oops, you forgot to ban Delfino and Halberd, so let's have fun on Halberd.

 

[Suicidal_Donuts]

I still haven't seen any Zeldas at my tourney .

Heck most of the people there don't know her at all. Someone asked me if Din's was her downB...and others didn't know the Elevator existed. I even got a Phantom KO on someone recovering. They said they didn't know what that move did.

Everyone was amazed by my Zelda in the two tournaments I've been to for this game. Even when the crowd was cheering for the other person, I did hear them "whoa" at some of the things I did. They were like "I've never fought a good Zelda before," and no one really knew how to counter her. Sadly, both of these tournaments were me losing to top tiers. The first one was Pre-Patch Diddy, and the second one was a doubles that I lost to a competent Sheik and Yoshi team. Gotta love those matchups.

 

[FullMoon]

Palutena's amiibo has really freaky eyes

 

[SBphiloz4]

A pretty legit customs argument that I would go for
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3e6rrf/a_different_kind_of_custom_moveset_list_proposal/

 

[Soul.]

 

[kenniky]

A pretty legit customs argument that I would go for
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3e6rrf/a_different_kind_of_custom_moveset_list_proposal/

I saw this. Pretty interesting idea.

I'd personally do 1113 for Shulk. That's what I do normally anyway.

 

[Soul.]

So basically... each custom set for every character is different? Like, I want both Thunder Wave and Heavy Skull Jank. I can only choose one of them. Am I misunderstanding?

 

[kenniky]

So basically... each custom set for every character is different? Like, I want both Thunder Wave and Heavy Skull Jank. I can only choose one of them. Am I misunderstanding?

yeah that's right

 

[LancerStaff]

A pretty legit customs argument that I would go for
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3e6rrf/a_different_kind_of_custom_moveset_list_proposal/

Much better, but still not as good as turning them completely off IMO.

 

[Rickster]

Everyone was amazed by my Zelda in the two tournaments I've been to for this game. Even when the crowd was cheering for the other person, I did hear them "whoa" at some of the things I did. They were like "I've never fought a good Zelda before," and no one really knew how to counter her. Sadly, both of these tournaments were me losing to top tiers. The first one was Pre-Patch Diddy, and the second one was a doubles that I lost to a competent Sheik and Yoshi team. Gotta love those matchups.

That's pretty much exactly what happens at mine, lol. Except there's no crowd. Everyone only gets hyped for Melee there.

There are SO many Luigi players. One Rosella, Fox, and Sonic were there too. So I don't have to worry about top tiers THAT much.

So far the characters that have knocked me out are Luigi, Sonic, and ROB. The Rob demolished me. I need to lab this character hard....

 

[Macchiato]

@Antonykun Sooooo hows my peach, do you think she'll survive xanadu?

 

[kenniky]

Anyone want to play?

 

[Macchiato]

@ Rickster is it hard going from online to offline?

 

[warionumbah2]

Much better, but still not as good as turning them completely off IMO.

Tell em again.

And my goal shall be to take people to horrible stages that nobody wants to play on i.e. Duck Hunt, Castle Siege, Delfino, Halberd, Dreamland, Miiverse, Battlefield, and Final Destination. Oh, you want to play on T&C? How about Castle Siege instead? Smashville? Nah, the 64 classic of Dreamland is better. You don't like dying early? Oops, you forgot to ban Delfino and Halberd, so let's have fun on Halberd.

-Picks Sheik-

"Hey imma ban SV"

"Ok"

"What stage you wanna play on?"

"I'll play SV"

"Good choice its a very neutral stage, the best player will win "

"GL HF"

 

[Rickster]

@ Rickster is it hard going from online to offline?

Well...it depends. For me, it wasn't so hard. I played online, but I would occasionally do offline modes like Classic along with going into Training to keep my "offline skill" from dropping.

For me it felt like a big weight was taken off me. I could actually do stuff and not have the wrong moves coming out.

I suggest practicing offline for a bit then playing a lot of friendlies to adjust. Oh, and make sure to do button checks if the TV/Monitor looks crappy. They might have different response times or ghosting effects. It probably won't affect you too much. It was just weird to me at first since I was so used to playing on my TV. Although if you're going to Xanadu they probably have quality monitors.

 

[|ven|]

I got 7th at yesterdays tournament but I can't find the bracket *small cry

In other news Yay 7th LOL

 

[BJN39]

A pretty legit customs argument that I would go for
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3e6rrf/a_different_kind_of_custom_moveset_list_proposal/

This sounds kind of neat.

It's pretty good for Zelda too, since she only has one truly beneficial to trade in custom

 

[Strofirko]

I think the only reason I don't post here ,is because I am too lazy to backtrack the thread origins.

 

[FullMoon]

I wrecked the box of my Greninja amiibo ;-;

The boxes look so good I kinda don't want to get rid of them.

Even if they're in Japanese =V

 

[Macchiato]

This sounds kind of neat.

It's pretty good for Zelda too, since she only has one truly beneficial to trade in custom

Are you talking about din's flare or phantom strike?

 

[BJN39]

Are you talking about din's flare or phantom strike?

Strike.

It's the only truly beneficial tradeoff imo.

 

[Rickster]

I wrecked the box of my Greninja amiibo ;-;

The boxes look so good I kinda don't want to get rid of them.

Even if they're in Japanese =V

I think the Japanese letters actually make it look cooler, lol.

Din's Flare makes me think of Melee Din's...which isn't a happy thought.

 

[Macchiato]

Strike.

It's the only truly beneficial tradeoff imo.

Flare can force an approach. It's a direct updrade from the default only losing verticle movement. It is as strong as the maximum distance of fire at all distances, has more range, faster, and easier to sweetspot with. Idk as a move it's eh but the fact that it can force an approach is kinda big for Zelda.

 

[Furret]

Then I probably wasn't talking to you.


But now I am, how are you today Bluecrow? Are you going back to school this fall?

Ya, I'd rather be working, but I have to graduate at some point.

 

[Rickster]

Flare can force an approach. It's a direct updrade from the default only losing verticle movement. It is as strong as the maximum distance of fire at all distances, has more range, faster, and easier to sweetspot with. Idk as a move it's eh but the fact that it can force an approach is kinda big for Zelda.

But you can just jump, shield, or better yet, spotdodge...the same things that make the default bad.

 

[Macchiato]

But you can just jump, shield, or better yet, spotdodge...the same things that make the default bad.

It's still easier to land than default

I feel like Strike and Flare are equally as good

 

[kenniky]

Does anyone want to play some matches?

 

[Lorde]

flare isn't going to force an approach lol. it's faster than vanilla din's, but it's still reactable and all you have to do is shield, spotdodge, or airdodge since the hitboxes are out for like no time at all. you can barely control where it goes and the explosion is tiny. all you have to do is go above or below zelda and flare is useless. i don't think anyone is going to truly be forced to approach by din's flare.

and customs are awful for her. she becomes even more irrelevant in the customs meta. flare being faster than default din's isn't going to change much for her

 

[BJN39]

It's still easier to land than default

I feel like Strike and Flare are equally as good

Really no. There's no frame data to back that up aside "it moves sideways faster". It doesn't even move vertically. How is that easier to land when the hit-box doesn't grow in size either?

Statistically speaking it is no easier to sweet-spot than standard. The sizes ratio remains un-altered between standard and flare.

The whole forcing an approach thing still sounds fraudulent imo.

 

[Rickster]

I actually have more trouble landing Flares than Fires. I'm awful at aiming that thing.

I just don't like any of her customs at all. They each give up something I like about the default.

Din's customs take away mobilty/aiming.

Phantom's customs take away the varying range and KO power.

Not even going to mention Farore's or Nayru's.

 

[Furret]

Can we just swap Phantom Slash to Phantom Strike?
I'd appreciate that
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oh god this scared me

 

[Ffamran]

oh god this scared me
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From the Rosalina social.

 

[|ven|]

Nice page steal​

 

[BJN39]

I actually have more trouble landing Flares than Fires. I'm awful at aiming that thing.

I just don't like any of her customs at all. They each give up something I like about the default.

Din's customs take away mobilty/aiming.

Phantom's customs take away the varying range and KO power.

Not even going to mention Farore's or Nayru's.

The thing with strike is that firstly, it gets hitbox buffs, so it's really big in front of Zelda

Second, the charge speed, while first allowing you to get higher damages quick, combined with the no distance actually wards off reflectors somewhat; they would have to be quite close and quick. Standard could be seen from a mile away,

The quick charge also allows us to use the longest shielding duration quite a bit quicker. Good for if you actually attempt to..."camp" with Zelda.

Also, if the opponent doesn't shield Whoops I mean dodge full charge hit 2 after blocking hit 1, the move blows out 3/5 of a shield. That's like, pretty good even if you don't have much to capitalize with after that.

Standard honestly wasn't very good at KOing because of predictable it was, so I'm not AS hurt by the KB loss.

 

[Macchiato]

squall is also situational but against peach and mac, its a good move. Squall can escape Peach's pressure and well mac and windboxes.

 

[Furret]

From the Rosalina social.

 

[McKnightlíght]

I think Zelda's best custom is the one where you unplug the opponent's controller.


It does suck that it puts you in freefall though.