Guide Zelda Social: But also the FE Heroes Internet Cafe

[DoctorDub]

I just wish that we could store the Phantom like other characters store their projectiles. I honestly don't get why we can't have a Phantom stored up in case we need it. (For those who don't know what I mean, think of how Samus can keep her Beam after charging it up)

 

[ZombieBran]

Consistency is not Sakurai's forte. Neither is balance for that matter.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

I think Zelda was just forgotten about after the first initial testings of all other 48 characters. The more I play the more I feel like they put a tba on her and never got back to her. She's not terrible, just needed some last minute look through tweaks.

 

[ZombieBran]

That's how I feel about many of the veterans.

It's like Zelda, Ike, Ganon, Mario, Luigi, Charizard, etc were balanced against each other early in development and never revisited again.

 

[2004Zilla]

Consistency is not Sakurai's forte. Neither is balance for that matter.

Perfect time to use this.

 

[CandyCakes]

I'm not gonna complain since she was actually buffed, she is good and useable this game. Almost every move she had was buffed in some way other than fair dair and dsmash. But yeah balancing isn't sakurais thing, meta knight in brawl is already enough evidence

 

[Brinzy]

I wouldn't whine about it if Fsmash connected.

Actually given how many abilities in this game don't connect properly, I'm shocked Nayru's connects.

 

[Rizen]

I don't get the thread title?

 

[JigglyZelda003]

I'm not gonna complain since she was actually buffed, she is good and useable this game. Almost every move she had was buffed in some way other than fair dair and dsmash. But yeah balancing isn't sakurais thing, meta knight in brawl is already enough evidence

honestly I feel she's been nerfed, but it's in a queer sort of way where it doesn't feel so bad for now.

 

[RyokoYaksa]

honestly I feel she's been nerfed, but it's in a queer sort of way where it doesn't feel so bad for now.

Probably because no one is crazy enough to try using her in an environment where there's pressure to actually win.

 

[CandyCakes]

honestly I feel she's been nerfed, but it's in a queer sort of way where it doesn't feel so bad for now.

Have u seen @Nairo use her? She is a good character, she has RC pivot grab. She's gonna be played differently but I honestly think she's really buffed. Go to clash tournaments YouTube and watch nairos zelda.

 

[RyokoYaksa]

Have u seen @Nairo use her? She is a good character, she has RC pivot grab. She's gonna be played differently but I honestly think she's really buffed. Go to clash tournaments YouTube and watch nairos zelda.

You sound like the young, bubbly, naive character fanboys that graced the Zelda Brawl boards back in 2007-2008. You're aware that everything you just said by itself are a bunch of glittering generalities, right?

 

[DoctorDub]

I have to agree with everyone.
Yeah sure, she's better, but she's still not good. Not yet.

However...
Rather than get all upset and angry about it, why don't we actually try and do our best to find out just what Zelda is capable of? Let's not be those guys who just swarm to the top tier characters and abandon the fun characters within a month of the game's release.

 

[ZombieBran]

I'm going to be honest; Zelda is not a complex character. We already know much of what she's capable of in Smash 4. RC Pivot Grab is great but she needs far more than just that.

Discussing how and why Zelda is unviable for the third time in a row is legitimate. As is questioning the balance because that means we can know not to ever expect a good Zelda in an official Smash game. Now I know not to get optimistic.

 

[Brinzy]

You sound like the young, bubbly, naive character fanboys that graced the Zelda Brawl boards back in 2007-2008.

Don't worry, he'll change.





So how many of you run into someone on WiFi that lost a few games, whipped out the Mac, lost really hard, and then quit?

Basically if I don't see that on WiFi, I get someone from Japan.

 

[DoctorDub]

I expected Zelda to be worse than she was in Brawl, I've been pleasantly surprised (To some extent, at least)
I was never one of these people who fooled themselves into thinking that she'd be as amazing as Project M Zelda. Even still, I won't give up on her. She could be literally one of the worst in the game, but I will not abandon my main. Hell, I stuck with her in brawl, after all.

 

[CandyCakes]

I still honestly don't see her as bad... Even if she becomes bad I'll still use her. I didn't think she would be amazing but I think she's good

 

[JigglyZelda003]

Have u seen @Nairo use her? She is a good character, she has RC pivot grab. She's gonna be played differently but I honestly think she's really buffed. Go to clash tournaments YouTube and watch nairos zelda.

oh I did though, Nairo gave me that last bit of hope that Zelda was going to be worse pre game release. Im just feeling like she's relatively in the same spot. I feel like Zelda embodies the games at this point. Different Zelda, same problems. She just functions a little differently.

I'm going to be honest; Zelda is not a complex character. We already know much of what she's capable of in Smash 4. RC Pivot Grab is great but she needs far more than just that.

Discussing how and why Zelda is unviable for the third time in a row is legitimate. As is questioning the balance because that means we can know not to ever expect a good Zelda in an official Smash game. Now I know not to get optimistic.

I think the problem is they make some good and bad changes, but never really fix some if Zeldas core problems that happen when she's faced with only one opponent focusing on her.

So how many of you run into someone on WiFi that lost a few games, whipped out the Mac, lost really hard, and then quit?

Basically if I don't see that on WiFi, I get someone from Japan.

lol I run into that alot, and alot of Japanese named players. But there are some ok people on roll glory....sometimes

 

[CandyCakes]

Well this zelda I can see as a offensive chatacter, she can approuch decently now and can actually combo... Maybe we're just not playing her to her full potential, I still have hope that she will be at least mid tier

 

[JigglyZelda003]

eh...her approach options are still lacking, just camping isn't as strong as it used to be. Zelda best approach is still walk and block/dodge.

edit: And the game is still new, so there might be some more stuff to discover about Zelda. I'm just not feeling optimistic about having more Situational rather than constants positives. I feel more like a wild card than a glass canon lol

 

[2004Zilla]

You sound like the young, bubbly, naive character fanboys that graced the Zelda Brawl boards back in 2007-2008. You're aware that everything you just said by itself are a bunch of glittering generalities, right?

All this talk about Zelda being **** disappoints me greatly.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I'll keep saying what I usually say: Zelda IS a good character. She just isn't made AT ALL for the tournament / pro universe. A slow, light character that relie on punishing (that sadist though) and taking risks will never fare well in a world like this. And there's the obvious balancing flaws, like escapable smashes, but that's another story.

 

[Brinzy]

LUV JUMP LUV JUMP

I mean I still like her, just not when I am really trying to win. Getting pit against Rosalina or Peach or G&W or any fast character makes my stomach churn if I am actually trying to win. I've nearly lost against players that were significantly worse than me playing these characters because that's just how they work.

Somehow I'm 33-3 in For Glory, so I don't think my MMR is fixed yet. Once it does get fixed though, I'm gonna feel nauseated.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

All this talk about Zelda being **** disappoints me greatly.

you know that picture is sarcasm right

 

[Brinzy]

Sarcasm?

LUV JUMP JUV LUMP

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I will defeat the meta knight carrylords with my love jump

DIE DIE

REPENT SINNER

REPENT THOUGH IT SHALL SAVE YOU NOT

 

[2004Zilla]

*Looks at thread title*
Love jump, love jump, we got love jump here!

 

[Brinzy]

dude zelda just has to land like

2 lightning kicks to 3 stock metaknight, wtf why isn't she AT LEAST the 2nd best character?

 

[BJN39]

*Looks in*

I will defeat the meta knight carrylords with my love jump

DIE DIE

REPENT SINNER

REPENT THOUGH IT SHALL SAVE YOU NOT

>_>

...

dude zelda just has to land like

2 lightning kicks to 3 stock metaknight, wtf why isn't she AT LEAST the 2nd best character?

<_<

Seems bout fine.

*Leaves*

Owait

Don forget Din's that new sweet-spot the kills like, SUPER early and just using it frame traps EVERYTHING. Doesn't seem worse at all! :D *Love Jumps away*

 

[2004Zilla]

*Looks in*



>_>

...



<_<

Seems bout fine.

*Leaves*

You mustn't break their fighting spirit, for it is our only hope at redemption!

 

[JigglyZelda003]

I could never do love jump sadly, I'm a poor Zelda XD

so if we use custom 3 does that mean we call ot hate jump? Or should we call it angry jump?

 

[Rickster]

The sarcasm here is so enjoyable.

Oh, and don't forget to Farore's Ledge Cancel so you can be offstage where Zelda fares best! Top tier technique right there.

EDIT: I nominate "Hate Jump", to represent our bitterness of being low tier.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

to be completely honest the biggest metagame advancement Zelda has seen since melee has been done by @Rion and @Kataefi with grab shenanigans and sliding f-smash respectively

 

[2004Zilla]

I started off playing Zelda in melee. Then Brawl. Then Project M. Now I'm maining her in Smash 4. Zelda will get to high tier, but before she does, a lot more people gotta die.

(Hooray for movie references)

 

[BJN39]

I could never do love jump sadly, I'm a poor Zelda XD

so if we use custom 3 does that mean we call ot hate jump? Or should we call it angry jump?

I'd go for "Passionate Jump" or just "Passion Jump". It is more consistent with NLove being Luv jump. (By this argument, if also say the other would be "Rejection Jump"...LOL)

OF COURSE THOUGH YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY LOVE JUMP IN THIS GAME SRY GORLS WE LOSE.

 

[ZombieBran]

It could be worse! We could be DK! Or Luigi! Or Pickman!

That is how I rest easy; by remembering that there is at least three more characters worse than Zeruda.

 

[BJN39]

It could be worse! We could be DK! Or Luigi! Or Pickman!

That is how I rest easy; by remembering that there is at least three more characters worse than Zeruda.

B-b-but... Ganon. And...Ike x.x

Also, there's no way DK is worse than Zelda. @Aleate will attest to that. Don't MAKE me find the DK nado video.

 

[ZombieBran]

It just seems like DK is everything Zelda excels against but I'll take your word for it.

But that's even better! That means Zelda is better than such Smash 4 luminaries as Ike, Ganondorf, Luigi, and Polimar!

 

[2004Zilla]

Did someone mention DK?

Him being better than Zelda in Smash is debatable, but I think he has her beat in singing.

 

[Katy Parry]

Wii U version isn't even out yet. She'll play much better on there. More precise controlls might mean precise teleporting, as well as just better reaction time etc.

Problem is, everyone will play better as well.

Except Little Mac.

/ban