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[Macchiato]

Huh, there's actually quite a few Greninjas in the top 50 of the ladder right now, not only is there me but two other guys, one of which is also going Greninja solo and he's the one who's a lot better than me.

I'm still the highest ranked though but that's probably going to change eventually considering I can't stop losing lately because of lag messing everything up >_>

I played @ momochuu I beat her with Zelda the first time we fought. Then she started camping me the second set we ever played and she won. On Smashladder I'm known as HannahMontuna

 

[Lavani]

Wario gameplay-wise is a pretty fascinating and unique character.

Wario character-wise is a fat, gassy, crude little man

 

[Antonykun]

 

[Soul.]

More like where's the love for , not

 

[UkeNicky]

I honestly don't have respect for any of you anymore except Antonykun and Lavani y'all Wario haters are mean and basic
I hope you get eaten by him

 

[Cenizas]

If Wario spoke actual English most of the time and not random grunts, he'd be higher than Sonic in terms of irritability in playstyle and character.

 

[Furret]

BURNT AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT

 

[r_greening1]

If Wario spoke actual English most of the time and not random grunts, he'd be higher than Sonic in terms of irritability in playstyle and character.

Now that's just rude

 

[Spirst]

I honestly don't have respect for any of you anymore except Antonykun and Lavani y'all Wario haters are mean and basic
I hope you get eaten by him

Wario is one of my favorite Nintendo characters in non-Smash games. It's just that his Smash moveset is a horrible excuse for character representation and I hate it.

 

[Jestar]

If Wario spoke actual English most of the time and not random grunts, he'd be higher than Sonic in terms of irritability in playstyle and character.

 

[Cenizas]

Real talk, Wario is nastier than the Church of Rosalini's undying "passion."

 

[Antonykun]

 

[FullMoon]

I played @ momochuu I beat her with Zelda the first time we fought. Then she started camping me the second set we ever played and she won. On Smashladder I'm known as HannahMontuna

Play xDarkAurax he's ridiculously good with his Greninja. He apparently even played with aMSa before and learned a few things from him and it really does show. He even has a perfect win streak in the ladder right now though he only played 22 matches.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

but at least we can take pride in knowing that anyone that likes Rosie secretly likes Zelda too since Rosie is Zelda with a few different moves.
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I know this wasn't serious, but yeeeeeeeee-no. I tried Zelda several times during friendlies, and I always get 3 stocked. Only 2 if I get a good read. I don't understand her at all. Every move of hers feels like I need to know exactly what my opponent's next move is. I also like to have hitboxes out...which is something I can't really do with Zelda or else I will die because a large chunk of her moves have quite a bit of lag.

As for the moves she shares with Rosalina, I can really only think of Down smash, and even then down smash isn't what I think of when I think of Rosalina.

 

[Furret]

I know this wasn't serious, but yeeeeeeeee-no. I tried Zelda several times during friendlies, and I always get 3 stocked. Only 2 if I get a good read. I don't understand her at all. Every move of hers feels like I need to know exactly what my opponent's next move is. I also like to have hitboxes out...which is something I can't really do with Zelda or else I will die because a large chunk of her moves have quite a bit of lag.

As for the moves she shares with Rosalina, I can really only think of Down smash, and even then down smash isn't what I think of when I think of Rosalina.

just sounds like you can't handle real characters

 

[SBphiloz4]

Random thing but is really that good? Tourney results and all that lean him towards a top 3 or top 5 character in this game. And he does beat characters like and , but he has weird MUs overall. He gets bodied hard by and , and even some out of there characters like give him problems.

Worst of all, he's not THAT advantageous against so that automatically makes him a bad top tier. :^)

 

[r_greening1]

Random thing but is really that good? Tourney results and all that lean him towards a top 3 or top 5 character in this game. And he does beat characters like and , but he has weird MUs overall. He gets bodied hard by and , and even some out of there characters like give him problems.

Worst of all, he's not THAT advantageous against so that automatically makes him a bad top tier. :^)

Does that make us good bottom tier? :^)

 

[Trieste SP]

Worst of all, he's not THAT advantageous against so that automatically makes him a bad top tier. :^)

Really, I have a Luigi in my local. He's pretty much undefeatable at this point in time. How does Zelda deal in the MU ?

 

[SBphiloz4]

Really, I have a Luigi in my local. He's pretty much undefeatable at this point in time. How does Zelda deal in the MU ?

For Zelda, Luigi's combo ability from grabs and his zoning pressure give her lots of problems. The problem I find Luigi has is that he's relatively slow in mobility, which means an aware Zelda can avoid getting hit by his grabs and combos. Without Dthrow -> DownB, Luigi has a hard time killing reliably, and he can't punish Zelda's laggy moves as well because of his traction. If Luigi can't kill early, he risks getting an early kill, either from a rage elevator or a gimp with Zelda's decent edgeguard recovery. Finally, Luigi's landing options are not exactly the best, and if the Zelda player can scare him to air dodge often, she can get a read LK or Uair.

This is all theory fighter though, haven't fought a legitimate Luigi yet. :/

 

[Trieste SP]

For Zelda, Luigi's combo ability from grabs and his zoning pressure give her lots of problems. The problem I find Luigi has is that he's relatively slow in mobility, which means an aware Zelda can avoid getting hit by his grabs and combos. Without Dthrow -> DownB, Luigi has a hard time killing reliably, and he can't punish Zelda's laggy moves as well because of his traction. If Luigi can't kill early, he risks getting an early kill, either from a rage elevator or a gimp with Zelda's decent edgeguard recovery. Finally, Luigi's landing options are not exactly the best, and if the Zelda player can scare him to air dodge often, she can get a read LK or Uair.

This is all theory fighter though, haven't fought a legitimate Luigi yet. :/

Thanks, I'll test it out at the next local.... which is this weekend.

 

[Kofu]

I use tall and thin.

Any reason why? I can never remember what all the size variations do for Miis. IIRC tall would give him range and thin would help him be mobile... but I could be wrong.

Also, screw Ike's Specials frame data. Everything is so messed up!

You're using Ike? He's a pretty good fundamentals character.

I think swordfighter and gunner are very unique

Gunner is like a mix of Samus and Villager with an actual grab and it's beautiful. Swordfighter is like Kirby and Link mixed. It's weird.

Wario is one of my favorite Nintendo characters in non-Smash games. It's just that his Smash moveset is a horrible excuse for character representation and I hate it.

They took out one of (the?) his only Wario Land moves, his FSmash. Little Mac isn't unique with his super armor smashes, Wario did it first (I think)

 

[Locke 06]

Noob.

Feel free to take this avatar for yourself, anyone.

Thanks bae.

 

[SBphiloz4]

Thanks, I'll test it out at the next local.... which is this weekend.

Some advice is to be patient, and try to fight it on the ground. You can't challenge him in the air that much, and don't panic if you're getting combo'd early. Best to keep your cool, and try to wait for his attempt to try and kill you, and punish whiffs. Get stage control and try to put him in a disadvantageous spot as much as possible off-stage.

 

[FullMoon]

Any reason why? I can never remember what all the size variations do for Miis. IIRC tall would give him range and thin would help him be mobile... but I could be wrong.

It's just the Mii I made for an OC I made some time ago so I just went with the size that would fit with that character, it's not for competitive play or anything like that =V

 

[Trieste SP]

Some advice is to be patient, and try to fight it on the ground. You can't challenge him in the air that much, and don't panic if you're getting combo'd early. Best to keep your cool, and try to wait for his attempt to try and kill you, and punish whiffs. Get stage control and try to put him in a disadvantageous spot as much as possible off-stage.

Yeah, Ven gave me the same advice too. This time, I'm going for first place with my mains because it's the last tourney I'll be maining them other than Zelda. (she's going to be my doubles main)

 

[SBphiloz4]

lmao Big D used Mii Swordfighter in Grand Finals and won 3-1 in my region's weekly today

 

[Trieste SP]

lmao Big D used Mii Swordfighter in Grand Finals and won 3-1 in my region's weekly today

Was there a stream ?

 

[momochuu]

I played @ momochuu I beat her with Zelda the first time we fought. Then she started camping me the second set we ever played and she won.

what else am i supposed to do against peach's dair lol

 

[SBphiloz4]

Was there a stream ?

It just finished so I'll link to the past broadcast another day once it's uploaded. c:

 

[Antonykun]

like Swordspider needs to stop winning so many tournaments before sakurai nerfs him

 

[Ffamran]

You're using Ike? He's a pretty good fundamentals character.

I've been using Ike since Brawl, but less so in Smash 4; I'm data mining and his Specials are a soooooooo annoying to deal with.

 

[Antonykun]

what else am i supposed to do against peach's dair lol

cry
I'll cry with you

 

[Furret]

what else am i supposed to do against peach's dair lol

Does that make us good bottom tier? :^)

 

[Soul.]

Anyone wanna play on 3DS?

 

[Ffamran]

Was it always a known fact that Ike, Pit, Fox, and Falco, and maybe Captain Falcon and Ganondorf have less end lag if they short hop their Side Specials?

 

[r_greening1]

Anyone wanna play on 3DS?

I would, but it's not a real game

 

[Kofu]

Anyone wanna play on 3DS?

I'll play, souru, and hope our connection isn't as bad as before.

 

[Soul.]

I would, but it's not a real game

neither is the wii u

fixed the emoticon

 

[r_greening1]

neither is the wii u

fixed the emoticon

The crisp and clean resolution and 60 FPS is feeling extra real

 

[Kofu]

The crisp and clean resolution and 60 FPS is feeling extra real

3DS is 60 FPS too, just not the pikmin.