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[Jestar]

You really, really like Wolf.

Wolf was LITERALLY THE ONLY character I liked using in Brawl.

If he wasn't in, I probably would've quit smash way back in March 2008 when the game came out.

I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him.

 

[Macchiato]

Thank god @ Lavani @ Koiba @ CatRaccoonBL these Rosies aren't one of "them"

 

[Berserker.]

I assure you that @Parcheesy is sane

Also Pacquiao is laughing for whatever reason lol

 

[Jestar]

The Rosalina boards are so damn cancerous omg. It's like they legitimately believe that Rosalina is a goddess of their religion, and if you don't believe in this Rosalinda religion, you deserve to repent sinner or something. Everything about Rosalina is perfect and blah blah blah. It's gross.

I don't see them being different from religious extremists honestly. I'm so surprised that so many people are able to follow such BS blindly. It's really sad. :/

Rosalism is what I'd call their cult.

 

[Berserker.]

I am gonna make Pacman vs Little Mac jokes about this all night.

THIS WILL DETERMINE THE MATCH UP

 

[Macchiato]

I am gonna make Pacman vs Little Mac jokes about this all night.

THIS WILL DETERMINE THE MATCH UP

Isn't the real MU 60-40 Pacman?

 

[Jestar]

Now that I finally got done checking and replying to all these posts, I can now fully appreciate the new title for this thread that I only noticed a few minutes ago.

 

[Koiba]

You gurls taught me a life lesson today that the boards is like hell.

 

[Berserker.]

Isn't the real MU 60-40 Pacman?

Let me watch this match first

 

[Mericus]

lol the Thread title <3

Anyone taking MU Values given like 0-10/etc. by randoms doesn't need to worry,
Values given by the public are rarely taken seriously :u

Even Backroom members can ignore another's input in most FGC Forums.
The most we can about it do is give good discussion for an MU and represent the public properly.

 

[Ffamran]

IASA is when an action is interruptible with another input

End lag is the timeframe between the end of the action's active frames and the IASA frame.

Landing lag is the lag when landing during a move.

None of them are the same thing, though there's some amount of overlap in purpose between end lag and landing lag (ex. "End lag occurs through frame 50" "The move's IASA is 51f")

Basically... I'm going to wait for @Aerodrome for IASA while the linked frame data will serve for end lag.

 

[Lavani]

Man, I didn't really look at what all was available in the frame data there until now, but it is thorough. There's data for grounded and aerial item throws, soft landing lag, hard landing lag, jumpsquat, and probably a bunch of other things.

I was laughing at Robin's 7f jumpsquat until I saw Zelda's is 6f.

 

[Rickster]

Thank god @ Lavani @ Koiba @ CatRaccoonBL these Rosies aren't one of "them"

"One of us! One of us!"

 

[Berserker.]

They're reciting the Philippine anthem. I still fail every single test about memorizing the lyrics (has to be correct spelling )

Oh look. It's Jamie Foxx

And Jimmy Kimmel

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

tumblr is gonna make me cry

 

[Berserker.]

This is why is infinitely better.

 

[Soul.]

Robin still sucks so yeah ggs
inb4 no

 

[Berserker.]

This match is basically Mac vs Zelda lol

 

[Ffamran]

Man, I didn't really look at what all was available in the frame data there until now, but it is thorough. There's data for grounded and aerial item throws, soft landing lag, hard landing lag, jumpsquat, and probably a bunch of other things.

I was laughing at Robin's 7f jumpsquat until I saw Zelda's is 6f.

Wait, there's jump data? Anyway, I wished there was customs data, but beggars can't be choosers. One thing I have no idea one is what the (40) and (33) mean after Falco's Blaster data. I think it might be continued firing or how long the laser stays out which would make a bit more sense for a laser to stay out around 40 frames while it would be stupid if it took him 40 frames to fire another shot - it might be in the upper 20's for that like in Melee.

Edit: Never mind, found the jump data; Falco's is 6. There's also "landing" which I have no idea what it means with "small" and "large". Err... normal landing lag after a jump?

Edit 2: Edit Harder: I swear Falco's jump is one of the weirdest things in the game. I think it's a combination of his jump height that makes it feel like a dodge and maybe he actually does mess with the Z-axis, but probably not. I mean, if you do a backwards short hop with Ganondorf, it feels sluggish, but Falco's feels like it glides a bit.

 

[Antonykun]

Did we Raid the Rosalinda boards?

 

[FullMoon]

I like how Robin's wind jab is now good because now Robins use it more often and so I can Shadow Sneak hitstun cancel out of it while Robin can't do a thing about it =V

 

[Lavani]

Edit: Never mind, found the jump data; Falco's is 6. There's also "landing" which I have no idea what it means with "small" and "large". Err... normal landing lag after a jump?

Yeah, you get a soft or a hard landing depending on how fast you're falling when you land.

Did we Raid the Rosalinda boards?

Yep, they were the...third raid target, I believe? (>> iirc)

We were actually talking about that raid earlier today V:

 

[Antonykun]

Yeah, you get a soft or a hard landing depending on how fast you're falling when you land.


Yep, they were the...third raid target, I believe? (>> iirc)

We were actually talking about that raid earlier today V:

I was talking about the MU thing so I guess it would be the second raid lol

 

[Berserker.]

Got a feeling that Mayweather will win

Also, I won't be joining raids gurls

 

[Soul.]

I still wonder when will you all raid the Smash 4 social

 

[Ffamran]

I like how Robin's wind jab is now good because now Robins use it more often and so I can Shadow Sneak hitstun cancel out of it while Robin can't do a thing about it =V

Remember when Ally did the whole wait near or at the ledge and charge Up Smash? ALL the Marios, Dr. Marios, and Luigis do that. Hell, all players do that now. Little Mac? Hold Down Smash near the ledge. Triple D? Hold Side Smash near the ledge. Bowser? Hold Side Smash near the ledge.

It's the insane amount of pathetic cookie cutters and it works because those tactics just work better when input lag is involved. The stupider thing is when they hold Smashes far away from you. Seriously? How stupid do you think I am that I'll run into a Smash like that in clear daylight? Eat a troll, fail, Falco Blaster laser courtesy of poor game design.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

@ Antonykun I don't think a raid is going on right now. Rather, a couple of zeldas went to the match-up thread to criticize the Rosalinas.

@ Berserker. Sad but we understand.

 

[Antonykun]

Remember when Ally did the whole wait near or at the ledge and charge Up Smash? ALL the Marios, Dr. Marios, and Luigis do that. Hell, all players do that now. Little Mac? Hold Down Smash near the ledge. Triple D? Hold Side Smash near the ledge. Bowser? Hold Side Smash near the ledge.

It's the insane amount of pathetic cookie cutters and it works because those tactics just work better when input lag is involved. The stupider thing is when they hold Smashes far away from you. Seriously? How stupid do you think I am that I'll run into a Smash like that in clear daylight? Eat a troll, fail, Falco Blaster laser courtesy of poor game design.

 

[Kofu]

vs MU
I think it's quite even, to be honest. Both have absurdly fast attacks and both can rack up heavy damage into a KO if they wanted to. While Sheik has her needles, Ganondorf has his WizKick and aerial WizKick, the latter of which can prove deadly against a Sheik using an impromptu U-Air, since the Mix-Up will hit Sheik. Both have some very great grab games that give off a lot of reward, and both have something that balance one another out. Sheik has a great recovery, but let's remember that you should never recover above Ganondorf or whiff a Bouncing Fish in front of him; U-Smash and U-Tilt will get you, respectively.

So honestly, I think it's a 50:50 MU for both; they both just seem to do something to balance the other out. What do you guys think about their MU?

 

[Soul.]

Radical who?

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

"Ganondorf vs. Sheik is even"

 

[Antonykun]

I'm glad he got infracted (ot was it a warning I can't remember)

 

[Phenomiracle]

Lol Manny thinks he won.

Give me a break. He wasn't himself, it was pathetic.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

I'm glad he got infracted (ot was it a warning I can't remember)

Huh? Where was this match-up posted? It may be silly, but I wouldn't think someone would deserve a warning or infraction for it. He at least put details, (as wrong as they are).

 

[Ffamran]

But you know it to be true. Remember when Diddy's U-throw to Uair or Mario's D-throw to Utilt was founded? That **** spread around like the plague or Link's "infinite" and people just fishing for those instead of actually playing? Or how about Luigi in general? It's a sad day when people miss out of Luigi's D-throw to whatever.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

The part that really gets to me is that that person said "Ganondorf has absurdly fast attacks"

 

[Lavani]

Huh? Where was this match-up posted? It may be silly, but I wouldn't think someone would deserve a warning or infraction for it. He at least put details, (as wrong as they are).

Those are the only kinds of posts he ever makes and he frequently mentions he was trolling after making them

It was in CCI at any rate

 

[Berserker.]

Lol Manny thinks he won.

Give me a break. He wasn't himself, it was pathetic.

Mayweather played it right and was smart about it. Manny was flailing his punches so I was like, "um." Mayweather didn't punch as much but he was more calculated and accurate.


Smart man

 

[Deleted member]

Wait wait wait WAIT WHERE IS ALL THIS GOING ON.


It's 12:03 am, I'm bored and watching this discussion sounds like fun.

 

[Ffamran]

The part that really gets to me is that that person said "Ganondorf has absurdly fast attacks"

For his weight, it's sort of true, but define fast. Are we talking about Bugatti Veyron fast? Or this fast?