Guide Zelda Social: But also the FE Heroes Internet Cafe

[Antonykun]

imo (unordered in tiers)

S: 2
A:
B:
C:32
D:
F:

Only including the Mii upBs I know

also it's really hard to just rank upBs in a general sense, because a lot of the poor recovery upBs have potent uses elsewhere (Doc, Mac) and it's difficult to quantify

I've seen some incredibly dumb matches here with Villager too, but I can't find them and this is shorter+shows what it needs to anyway.

Wow Pilot wings is dumber than what i thought.

 

[Locke 06]

Wily has no Devil with 5+ people so a possible solution would be to start a 5player match and have 3 suicide.

Wily becomes useful in 3v3s and 4v4s imo because the platforms are really interesting

Oh, definitely true. It's a shame that the Devil is there because I really like the platform stuff too.

 

[Soul.]

Kalos is bad. Use Omega Kalos.
PS2 would be better if it didn't have hazards.

 

[kenniky]

Omega Kalos is life because music

Best Omega stages IMO are Gaur Plain, Kalos, and Palutena's Temple

because music

 

[Antonykun]

Omega Kalos is life because music

Best Omega stages IMO are Gaur Plain, Kalos, and Palutena's Temple

because music

you forgot Omega pilot wings aka light plane vocal mix
also

 

[Lavani]

@ Lavani I got eliminated from my tournament by a Lucario. lol. Yay for lack of MU knoweldge.

I got ASC>usmash'd at 50 and died because lol 175% aura. Took game 2. And then game 3 I activated double team with lemons, because I thought I could punish the kick, but I couldn't because it has no endlag. I knew that I could shield it, and he kept giving it to me so I tried to utilt to end it but got side-B'd instead. I was also told it was invincible? I feel like you would know since you "play" the character.

#NorfairIsFair
but wily? umm... Devil is annoying AF and too intrusive. I'm currently mixed on PS2 and Kalos.

lol, dang

Double Team's entire attack is invincible, yeah. Idk how much downtime there is between when the invincibility ends and when he can act, but I know it lasts for the entirety of the kick animation. The counter itself has full invincibility during the entire 30 counter frames too, it's a ridiculous counter and I love it.

 

[Jaguar360]

I'm terrible at trolling FG people. The worst I can do is do the "sass walk" and taunt at them, lol.

Plus most people I can actually mess with lag a ton, so I don't want to stick around xD.

EDIT: Tfw (when) people are so bad they actually beat you due to their abnormal, poisonous playstyle. So basically I can't beat noobs.

^This, this, THIS

For Glory makes this especially hard since 2 stock makes it hard to adapt to bad players oftentimes. You have to know your gameplan right away and decide whether you want to be serious or treat them like a noob from the start.

This applies to Pokemon too since it's usually a game of prediction competitively. I always run into situations like "Why the heck didn't they switch?" or "Is this really a Choice Specs Blissey?" that really piss me off.

 

[2004Zilla]

I just got introduced to Fine Game Girls and HOLY **** they are the best.

 

[Ffamran]

Spider... Sword?

 

[Macchiato]

Doubles is so hard. I learned that Rosalina is really bad in doubles. For once Zelda is better than rosalina.

 

[2004Zilla]

Doubles is so hard. I learned that Rosalina is really bad in doubles. For once Zelda is better than rosalina.

I coulda sworn you were Palutena two seconds ago.

 

[Macchiato]

I coulda sworn you were Palutena two seconds ago.

What? When?

 

[Brinzy]

EDIT: Tfw (when) people are so bad they actually beat you due to their abnormal, poisonous playstyle. So basically I can't beat noobs.

If you watch really good players play FG, you tend to find that they have problems with their opponent in the first match or two, because they're not used to dealing with really stupid gameplay.

The problem is, this really stupid gameplay is harder to punish on WiFi than it is in person. I can't tell you how many times I've barely lost a first game to someone doing something cheesy that I couldn't properly punish with lightning kicks or anything that requires precision thanks to WiFi, getting taunted by the awful player, and having them drop game.

Like... I have telegraphed Ganondorf players going for a Ganoncide like THREE seconds before it happened, and I get hit by it anyway.

It doesn't really infuriate me, but it does make me realize that this is probably why a lot of players just stick to stupid gameplay.

 

[Lavani]

Palutena barely lasted three hours rip

 

[kenniky]

you forgot Omega pilot wings aka light plane vocal mix

I don't like stages with only 1 good song

which is why I'm not fond of Omega Mario Galaxy

I coulda sworn you were Palutena two seconds ago.

You would not be wrong

 

[Ffamran]

Doubles is so hard. I learned that Rosalina is really bad in doubles. For once Zelda is better than rosalina.

Really? I thought Rosalina was good with doubles since Luma is always there. With another player, it becomes 3v2. If only we could have 16v16 with Rosalina & Luma vs. Ice Climbers, but at least we have 32v32 with Olimar & Pikmin vs. Alph & Pikmin.

 

[kenniky]

Really? I thought Rosalina was good with doubles since Luma is always there. With another player, it becomes 3v2. If only we could have 16v16 with Rosalina & Luma vs. Ice Climbers, but at least we have 32v32 with Olimar & Pikmin vs. Alph & Pikmin.

RIP framerate

 

[Soul.]

^This, this, THIS

For Glory makes this especially hard since 2 stock makes it hard to adapt to bad players oftentimes. You have to know your gameplan right away and decide whether you want to be serious or treat them like a noob from the start.

This applies to Pokemon too since it's usually a game of prediction competitively. I always run into situations like "Why the heck didn't they switch?" or "Is this really a Choice Specs Blissey?" that really piss me off.

and this this this. I agree.
Pokémon is always based on predictions, no matter what format are you playing. Predictions are what will determine the outcome of a match.

 

[|ven|]

What? When?

~ Cheers ~

 

[Lavani]

Really? I thought Rosalina was good with doubles since Luma is always there. With another player, it becomes 3v2. If only we could have 16v16 with Rosalina vs. Ice Climers, but at least we have 32v32 with Olimar vs. Alph.

No, with the chaos from four players going on Luma ends up dying to collateral constantly and SoRo offers little as a teammate.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

I don't like stages with only 1 good song

which is why I'm not fond of Omega Mario Galaxy

...Huh?

Gusty Garden, In the Final, Comet Observatory, Galaxy 2 final boss, 3d World final boss, Championship road, both Galaxy 1 & 2, main themes, and Bowser's Galaxy Generator are all chopped liver or something? I mean, some of those songs are even widely regarded as the best video game music of all time. 0_0

 

[Ffamran]

RIP framerate

If Olimar kept his 6 Pikmin like in Brawl, it would have been 56v56.

Edit: Forgot to count Olimar.

 

[Brinzy]

...Huh?

Gusty Garden, In the Final, Comet Observatory, Galaxy 2 final boss, 3d World final boss, Championship road, both Galaxy 1 & 2, main themes, and Bowser's Galaxy Generator are all chopped liver or something? I mean, some of those songs are even widely regarded as the best video game music of all time. 0_0

I have every song set to Max on that stage, but I can't say I care for any of those songs either, strangely. The Bowser one is decent I guess.

I dunno I feel where he's coming from.

 

[2004Zilla]

Palutena barely lasted three hours rip

You would not be wrong

 

[Locke 06]

lol, dang

Double Team's entire attack is invincible, yeah. Idk how much downtime there is between when the invincibility ends and when he can act, but I know it lasts for the entirety of the kick animation. The counter itself has full invincibility during the entire 30 counter frames too, it's a ridiculous counter and I love it.

lollllllll and now I know. I utilt'd him and was like "Hmm.... I'm pretty sure I hit him." but nope.

I felt sad for being the guy who usually knows things... but then lost because I didn't know something. Should've done my homework. cri. Was like... 3 games away from money.

 

[Antonykun]

Spoiler: how i feel about Amiibos

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[KuroganeHammer]

@ Lavani I got eliminated from my tournament by a Lucario. lol. Yay for lack of MU knoweldge.

I got ASC>usmash'd at 50 and died because lol 175% aura. Took game 2. And then game 3 I activated double team with lemons, because I thought I could punish the kick, but I couldn't because it has no endlag. I knew that I could shield it, and he kept giving it to me so I tried to utilt to end it but got side-B'd instead. I was also told it was invincible? I feel like you would know since you "play" the character.

#NorfairIsFair
but wily? umm... Devil is annoying AF and too intrusive. I'm currently mixed on PS2 and Kalos.

ok here's how you beat lucario as megaman:

1) rape him from 0-120% because you're megaman and the only thing he can do is shoot aura spheres at you occasionally
2) STOP SHOOTING LEMONS AT HIM SO HE DOESNT GET TO 180% FOOL
3) kill him with bair/smash attack

 

[Brinzy]

lol, dang

Double Team's entire attack is invincible, yeah. Idk how much downtime there is between when the invincibility ends and when he can act, but I know it lasts for the entirety of the kick animation. The counter itself has full invincibility during the entire 30 counter frames too, it's a ridiculous counter and I love it.

Wait...

The actual attack has invincibility, too?

 

[Locke 06]

ok here's how you beat lucario as megaman:

1) **** him from 0-120% because you're megaman and the only thing he can do is shoot aura spheres at you occasionally
2) STOP SHOOTING LEMONS AT HIM SO HE DOESNT GET TO 180% FOOL
3) kill him with bair/smash attack

I did step 1...

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I did step 1...

please remember me when you **** the next lucario main because you followed my steps

character is too slow to deal with megaman's incessant trash throwing

also why is raype censored, it never used to be and i have no idea why it is now

edit: ****ing megaman mains

LEMON LEMON LEMON I DONT KNOW WHEN TO STOP

 

[Lavani]

I'd imagine is actually a kinda rough MU for

Even if lemons keep him from doing anything until kill percent, MM's kill moves are high-commitment and you don't really want to commit to things against a 130%+ Lucario unless you enjoy Force Palms all over your face.

imo just get luc to 70% then fish for sweetspot utilt c:

Wait...

The actual attack has invincibility, too?

Yes it does.

Most counters not named Substitute do.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I'd imagine is actually a kinda rough MU for

Even if lemons keep him from doing anything until kill percent, MM's kill moves are high-commitment and you don't really want to commit to things against a 130%+ Lucario unless you enjoy Force Palms all over your face.

imo just get luc to 70% then fish for sweetspot utilt c:

bair is hardly high commitment

 

[Lavani]

bair is hardly high commitment

it's commitment enough to get force palmed if he shields it

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Use it to outrange his aerials, megaman back air has this ungodly disjoint it can go D I E

 

[Lavani]

April 28, v1.0.8

• Added to the DLC shop


+ Bair autocancels from a shorthop


• Usmash and dtaunt inputs traded


- Announced

 

[evmaxy54]

Sooooo. Your reason is "Jank?" You do know why things are legal or not right? Because they are fair or not. Jank is not a reason to ban something. Especially when you can learn the stage to make it not jank or as jank. If you are not having fun/don't know the stage and you didn't even try to learn the stages, then there is no argument.

Jank is the absolute worst reason to ban something because it mostly only affects the person screaming jank.

When said "Jank" actively gets in the way of the battle through stage hazards (PS2, Halberd, Skyloft, Wuhu though the latter two are less obnoxious), transformations that promotes camping (Delfino, PW, Skyloft) or walk-offs (Skyloft, Delfino, Wuhu, Skyloft, Castle Siege, WFS) in which players can abuse to create a stalemate, then yes they should be banned.

I would've put Lylat here if it wasn't fixed from the whole free-fall bug thing it sometimes had when the stage tilted because that would unfairly ruin someone's momentum.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

April 28, v1.0.8

• Added to the DLC shop


+ Bair autocancels from a shorthop


• Usmash and dtaunt inputs traded


- Announced

OMg

DED

IM DED GORLS

 

[Locke 06]

Also, Lucario's wall cling/jump can be used over and over again until the time stops. Cool ****, but stuff I didn't know, so on Duck Hunt I got caught off guard.

BAir so good. Lucario just has to stay grounded (which usually means more pellets). And his ASC momentum **** stuff is really annoying to get a BAir in.

He loses to pellets until he gets in high aura. He still kinda loses to pellets, but he doesn't really care... and aura spheres are scary for both because of skull barrier in customs meta. Iunno. It's probably even, because it's not like Lucario's moves are super easy to land.

 

[McKnightlíght]

OH YAY!

I GET TO LOSE TO @ |ven|

 

[Fuji'n]

lol and my match against Koiba reminds me of why I can never take wifi seriously.

edit: I play @WillLi next but just tell me if you lag now because you can just have the win if so.