Zelda Franchise Discussion

[FalKoopa]

I haven't played Skyward Sword, so I can't comment on the game, but from what I've seen and heard,

- I'm neutral on the Art style.
- I hate Link's face.
- I like Zelda's design except for the nose.
- Ghirahim has a great personality.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I like Skyward Sword way more than Twighlight Princess. The colors in TP were way too dark. The dark colors made the world less open to exploring, since less grabbed out at me.

I'm glad that with this amalgamation Link they are using much bright colors. I'm really all for OOT Zelda to make her return. TP Zelda never smiles.

Impas never stood out at me as a character. Her SS incarnation is probably her best, but from what we have been given in the game itself, I can't really think of a moveset that would warrant her conclusion. She could take Sheik's but I like the transforming mechanic with Zelda. I don't like making up moveset that aren't mostly present in the game.

Sheik's moveset was 100% made up. Safe for MAYBE the Up B.

Impa has a barrier attack she can use.
A magical orb attack she used to destroy the Gate of Time.
Deku Nuts as used in Ocarina of Time.
Probably kung-fu based fighting styte as suggested by her pose when doing the barrier attack.
Extremely high jumping abilities and very fast running speed.

Also her role is much deeper than that of Sheik's, and she has been around the series for far longer. She's also 'relevant' and has actual fighting moves as opposed to Sheik.

I haven't played Skyward Sword, so I can't comment on the game, but from what I've seen and heard,

Conclusion: You shouldn't judge about Impa as you don't even know half a thing about her.

 

[FalKoopa]

Conclusion: You shouldn't judge about Impa as you don't even know half a thing about her.

FYI I have played OoT. So do know something Impa; enough to comment on her.

I hate Impa because of YOU by the way. That and combined with the fact that I find her SS Design very unappealing. Even fat Impa is better.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah but Ocarina of Time isn't her best role, it's her second best. And it DOES matter a great while, as Impa's SS role is a lot deeper and meaningful. Close to the role Midna had in Twilight Princess even.

So you hate her design? And you hate me rambling on her cause of the stupid opposition the idea gets here? Tough luck. Still, it doesn't give you any excuse.

 

[FalKoopa]

And you hate me rambling on her cause of the stupid opposition the idea gets here? Tough luck.

Here? Impa isn't really popular anywhere you know....

 

[Diddy Kong]

No Zelda newcomers are popular anywhere. And rest assured that Tingle and Ghirahim are actually hated. Only Zelda characters that receive good feedback are mostly Midna and Vaati, and nobody with a sober mind would dare to even expect them nowadays.

Impa is easily the best choice for a Zelda newcomer.
Y'all can hate her. But can't deny her.

 

[FalKoopa]

Ghirahim is hated? News to me.

 

[Diddy Kong]

He's at least often disregarded as an idea for a Zelda newcomer.

 

[TheTuninator]

Tingle may have a pretty large hater base, but he's also quite popular, especially where it really counts: Japan.

 

[FalKoopa]

He's at least often disregarded as an idea for a Zelda newcomer.

Oh, that. I know... one-off characters from major series are not included.

 

[TheTuninator]

I should also note that I am in fact one of those haters, but even I can admit that he's still got a solid chance as a newcomer, particularly if Toon Link drops and they need somebody to represent Wind Waker.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Oh, that. I know... one-off characters from major series are not included.

If Ghirahim is in, I can't see them NOT including Impa. So yeah, I wouldn't mind him.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Only Zelda characters that receive good feedback are mostly Midna and Vaati, and nobody with a sober mind would dare to even expect them nowadays.

Apparently I'm sober.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Apparently I'm sober.

Wanting them isn´t bad. Expecting them is a little, well... unwise. As you´ll probably be dissapointed in the end.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Wanting them isn´t bad. Expecting them is a little, well... unwise. As you´ll probably be dissapointed in the end.

Well, I guess that makes a difference. I'm not really expecting any newcomer at the moment.

 

[jaytalks]

Sheik's moveset was 100% made up. Safe for MAYBE the Up B.

Impa has a barrier attack she can use.
A magical orb attack she used to destroy the Gate of Time.
Deku Nuts as used in Ocarina of Time.
Probably kung-fu based fighting styte as suggested by her pose when doing the barrier attack.
Extremely high jumping abilities and very fast running speed.

Also her role is much deeper than that of Sheik's, and she has been around the series for far longer. She's also 'relevant' and has actual fighting moves as opposed to Sheik.



Conclusion: You shouldn't judge about Impa as you don't even know half a thing about her.

Sheik is an extension of Zelda's design in Melee. As far as I'm concerned, Sheik is integral part of Zelda's playstyle. I also don't think you can separate Sheik and Zelda, even if they were to use a amalgamation or a SS Zelda. They'll just redesign Sheik again. That's why I don't think Impa should really be compared to Sheik. Impa should be talked about against Tingle, Toon Link, etc.

I can see a moveset, but it doesn't seen like someone I would want to play as. Tingle on the other hand...

I haven't played Skyward Sword, so I can't comment on the game, but from what I've seen and heard,

- I'm neutral on the Art style.
- I hate Link's face.
- I like Zelda's design except for the nose.
- Ghirahim has a great personality.

Everything looks wat better in motion while playing the game, like Wind Waker. I always thought it was the perfect mix between realism and the toon design.

Tingle really represent the weird and strange aspect of Zelda. And he's had two games, and a DSIware release. He could represent the Toon Zelda era, and he has a ready made moveset. I never hated him when he appeared MM. I thought he fit well with the weirdness against him. One thing he has going against is that he has also been sort of taken out of Zelda due to the west's hatred of him. Anonuma replaced him with Purlo as a more realistic Tingle in TP. And no appearance since MC I think. But I would much rather have Tingle than Impa. With all the hate against him, playing as him would make you the ultimate underdog.

 

[Spire]

Ghirahim is hated? News to me.

More people hate Tingle than Ghirahim, though both are hated for the same reason: flamboyancy. The hate for these characters stems from homophobia, which is a damn shame. Western ignorance.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I like Ghirahim, he was a very neat change for a villain in Zelda. Tingle, I like him enough as a weird NPC in Zelda, just not in Smash as a playable character.

I'm a lot more open-minded than people think.

I just have too strong principles.

 

[Spire]

Ghirahim was a fantastic villain and holds great importance for the series as a whole. I deem Skyward Sword a good, but not great Zelda game. It could have been great had Hyrule been connected, but with the Sky serving as a hub and the world broken in three, it became too much a level-select game and that is not okay in my books. The characterization was top notch though. Nintendo got a lot of things right, and made great strides in progressing the series. I think the Stamina meter is the greatest thing to happen to Zelda in ten years—and look! They're including it in A Link Between Worlds.

 

[FalKoopa]

I just have too strong principles.

Not as Strong as Oasis.

 

[EddyBearr]

I quite fancy the idea of there being "two links" and "two zeldas." The differences being "cartoony" and "realistic" artstyles, so exemplfiy the two styles of LoZ games.

As such

TP Link
TP Zelda/Sheik
Toon Link
Toon Zelda/Tetra

Then Ganondorf because dorf.

There's 7 reps this way.

With all that said, I kinda disliked Skyward Sword's big change in artistic direction for "console" games.

 

[Curious Villager]

I think that's the most likely thing we are probably getting for the Zelda cast.

Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Toon Zelda/Tetra (hopefully)

At least seeing how Sakurai revisited the Villager after cutting him from Brawl apparently, he might revisit the other cut characters too. (which would be good news for Mewtwo and Roy fans) If he does include Toon Zelda then please make Tetra her transformation, none of this Toon Sheik business. I honestly wouldn't mind Toon Zelda so long as Tetra comes alongside her. Come on Sakurai, don't grant the possible mistake you were planning to make for Brawl...

 

[Spire]

At least seeing how Sakurai revisited the Villager after cutting him from Brawl apparently

Villager cut from Brawl? Was this mentioned in an interview or something? Unlike the forbidden seven, there was no data for villager. Are you suggesting this because Smashville was in Brawl?

 

[Curious Villager]

Villager cut from Brawl? Was this mentioned in an interview or something? Unlike the forbidden seven, there was no data for villager. Are you suggesting this because Smashville was in Brawl?

There was an interview recently where Sakurai said that Villager was planned to be in Brawl but cut because he wasn't suited for battle.

Here it is.

A lot of people understood Mega Man, but they kept asking me 'Why did you go for the villager and the Wii Fit trainer?', Neither of them are fighting characters, certainly. In fact, we had previously removed the villager from Super Smash Bros. Brawl in the planning stages because he wasn't suited for battle.

Source: http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=206205

 

[Spire]

So, "isn't suited for battle," becomes, "I guess he can work after all!" with 6 years time. I wonder what, "Ridley is too big," has become in his mind. If he can turn 180˚ in Villager's favor, he can for the likes of Ridley and other abandoned folk. Hey Mewtwo, where arrrre yoooou?

 

[Curious Villager]

Yeah after Villager, I guess anything is possible now for any other previously rejected characters such as Sukapon and I guess Ridley. We will have to wait and see if there are any others he changed his mind on.

Sakurai did say though that Ridley can work if they put their full effort on him, but he'd be a little slow. So I think he is possible.

 

[TheTuninator]

More people hate Tingle than Ghirahim, though both are hated for the same reason: flamboyancy. The hate for these characters stems from homophobia, which is a damn shame. Western ignorance.

Let's not call everybody who dislikes Tingle a homophobe, OK? I don't hate him because he's flamboyant; I enjoy, say, Leeron on TTGL immensely. His basic character design and body proportions just bother me. It's silly, but there you have it.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Let's not call everybody who dislikes Tingle a homophobe, OK? I don't hate him because he's flamboyant; I enjoy, say, Leeron on TTGL immensely. His basic character design and body proportions just bother me. It's silly, but there you have it.

Yeah, exactly. I'm super pro-LGBT, Tingle is just... off-putting. Also, it seems kind of insulting to homosexuals to compare Tingle to them. He's not "flamboyant", he's completely insane, greedy, and creepy.

... In my opinion. Not saying y'all shouldn't support Tingle, just that, well, I really don't, and it's not due to any homophobic insecurities.

 

[jaytalks]

I am in favor of Tingle, but even I am creeped out by him. That's why I like him. His design is ugly and wonderful at the same time. His face creates such a contrast from the rest of his body. It's a character whose face I can always remember. It feels like the epitome of the weird strand of Zelda that has come about since Majora's Mask.

 

[LaniusShrike]

I am in favor of Tingle, but even I am creeped out by him. That's why I like him. His design is ugly and wonderful at the same time. His face creates such a contrast from the rest of his body. It's a character whose face I can always remember. It feels like the epitome of the weird strand of Zelda that has come about since Majora's Mask.

Hehe, again, agreed. I don't like him, but I do appreciate him.

... to not make this just a tiny post saying "I agree!", I have decided to post a picture from deviantArt.

Spoiler

... Yeah, I'd play this game.​

 

[jaytalks]

Hehe, again, agreed. I don't like him, but I do appreciate him.

... to not make this just a tiny post saying "I agree!", I have decided to post a picture from deviantArt.

Spoiler

... Yeah, I'd play this game.​

I think we have Tingle's Final Smash.

And for the rest of theTingle Moveset:
Neutral Special: Fairy Dust: Throws Fairy Dust at his opponents. Does very little damage, but I hear it really bother his opponents. Especially because they have no idea what "fairy dust"
Forward Special: Rosy Rupee: Tingle shoots a rupee. Damage depends on value of rupees. Green = 1%. Blue = 5%. Red = 20%. Rupoors hit Tingle and give him ten percent damage, but very rare
Up Special: Balloon Float: Balloons raises Tingle up and he can move like a balloon fighter. Balloon can be popped if it receives up to 60% damage itself, and if he drops, he will automatically perform...
Down Special: Kooloo-Limpah - Flips backward if he's falling and hits the opponents below with fairy dust. Fairy Dust hits from both sides. If on the ground, he does a backflip and then performs the move. Can be a knock out move.
Tingle invented these signature moves himself. Don't steal them.

 

[Xenigma]

I think that's the most likely thing we are probably getting for the Zelda cast.

Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Toon Zelda/Tetra (hopefully)

At least seeing how Sakurai revisited the Villager after cutting him from Brawl apparently, he might revisit the other cut characters too. (which would be good news for Mewtwo and Roy fans) If he does include Toon Zelda then please make Tetra her transformation, none of this Toon Sheik business. I honestly wouldn't mind Toon Zelda so long as Tetra comes alongside her. Come on Sakurai, don't grant the possible mistake you were planning to make for Brawl...

This is what I'm hoping to see. Brawl nailed Zelda representation very well, so no real need to reinvent the wheel. Getting a fifth character slot would just be the cherry on top, though I love the idea of Toon Zelda/Tetra to add in another unique moveset while accentuating just how prominent the toon universe has been in the years since Wind Waker.

 

[bballstar23]

This is what I'm hoping to see. Brawl nailed Zelda representation very well, so no real need to reinvent the wheel. Getting a fifth character slot would just be the cherry on top, though I love the idea of Toon Zelda/Tetra to add in another unique moveset while accentuating just how prominent the toon universe has been in the years since Wind Waker.

I agree. Toon Zelda is more of a "luxury" if you will, but not a necessary character by any means. Then again, I don't think any of the suggested Zelda characters really need to be in the game. They're more just suggestions for inclusion if the Zelda franchise gets a new character. Honestly though as a Zelda fan, I'm fine with where the franchise stands right now, even if it's been pretty much the same since Melee.

 

[TheTuninator]

Tetra/Toon Zelda is my most wanted Zelda newcomer, provided that T. Zelda has an original moveset. They just seem like a heck of a lot of fun.

I wonder if Toon Link getting cut would be helpful or harmful for the chances of a new WW rep in SSB4.

Man, it's annoying to still have to call this game SSB4.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'd rather have Impa still. But I'd also like to see Tetra playable.

 

[CalumG]

Having both Toon Link and Toon Zelda would feel like an incredible waste to me, knowing they could I've put in Tingle and Impa (two long-running and popular characters on their own merits) instead. I've never been a particularly big fan of the idea of having two different playable incarnations of one character - whether that's the Doc, Young Link, Toon Link or something new altogether - so including Toon Link and Toon Zelda would be like taking the character inclusion I had the most issue with in Brawl and doubling my distaste for it. Just my personal opinion of course.

 

[FalKoopa]

@CalumG
What if Toon Zelda is paired with Tetra?

 

[CalumG]

@CalumG
What if Toon Zelda is paired with Tetra?

Tetra is a pretty cool character who could potentially have a nice, unique moveset (there aren't many other important Nintendo pirates are there? It's pretty much between her and Captain Syrup) but frankly it's the idea of pairing her off with Toon Zelda that puts me off. Firstly, I don't think Toon Zelda could really be anything else but a clone, even if she was tied to a transformation who isn't a clone - although that would kind of be an interesting character mechanic in itself to see a clone and a non-clone tied together by a transformation - and secondly I'd find it out-of-character for Toon Zelda/Tetra to be able to transform into one another at will. Zelda in OoT became Sheik by her own free will so she could avoid Ganondorf's grasp (or something? It's been a while since I played OoT), whereas Tetra never really willing transformed into Toon Zelda. She was Tetra for the best part of the Wind Waker, showed no evidence of magic abilities, got turned into Toon Zelda by the king himself rather than her own doing, and then spent the whole of Phantom Hourglass in her Tetra form.

Tetra would be a great Zelda rep, especially with the Wind Waker HD on the horizon, but I see no reason to tie her down to Toon Zelda especially when it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense in the first place.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Zelda and Sheik also never actually interswitched. Sheik only revealed herself to be Zelda once, and got captured by Ganondorf immediately after giving him the Light Arrows.

 

[CalumG]

Zelda and Sheik also never actually interswitched. Sheik only revealed herself to be Zelda once, and got captured by Ganondorf immediately after giving him the Light Arrows.

Oh, I know there was never any actual screen transformation or the like, but the point being made is that Tetra never willingly wanted to be Princess Zelda and in fact seemed to show some distaste at the fact, evidenced by her not becoming 'Princess Zelda' even once during Phantom Hourglass. By the nature of Tetra's very character it just wouldn't feel right for her to be switching forms. "Princess Zelda" as a persona was a burden pushed onto Tetra, whereas Sheik as a persona is something OoT Zelda invented herself.