Zelda Franchise Discussion

[Swamp Sensei]

You know, I think Ghirahim should've been a woman.

He does look better as one, doesn't he?

 

[IAm2Sarcastic4U]

You know, I think Ghirahim should've been a woman.

A female villain would of been a nice addition to the male dominate Zelda villains.

 

[FalKoopa]

Are there any female villains AT ALL in the Zelda series?

 

[Fastblade5035]

Puppet Zelda...? I'm not sure if she really counts, though.
Koume and Kotake are female villains, though. And they're Ganondorf's moms. Minor, yes, but still villains.

Edit: Oh, and Veran.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Are there any female villains AT ALL in the Zelda series?

Veran. The Twinrova sister(don't remember their names) as well.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Are there any female villains AT ALL in the Zelda series?

Well there's Veran from Oracle of Ages.

And Kotate and Koume. Not sure if they count as they're minor villains at best.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

And Kotate and Koume. Not sure if they count as they're minor villains at best.

IIRC they were the ones responsible for all the events of the Oracle games, so that at least puts them on the same level as Majora/Skull Kid.

 

[volbound1700]

Twinrova would be a great character for Zelda actually. They could be a duo like Ice Climbers and fly on brooms. That would be neat, they could never land and that would make them unique.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Nah, Ghirahim is fine the way he is. after all, he's sexy and he knows it.

 

[Shorts]

So out of the THREE most likey Zelda candidates, who would you rather be in the game?

Toon Zelda / Toon Shiek (Not Tetra)
Ghirahim
Tingle

 

[Fastblade5035]

Preferably None. But if I HAD to choose one, Ghirahim.

 

[FalKoopa]

I'll prefer tingle. He deserves it.

 

[volbound1700]

I prefer Skull Kid or Twinrova over those picks but if I had to choose, I guess go with Toon Zelda/Tetra

 

[Shorts]

Preferably None. But if I HAD to choose one, Ghirahim.

Well yeah, this is assuming they get another. Which probably isn't on the top of Sakurai's list.

I would love to see Ghirahim or Tingle.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

While I find the female Ghirahim to be very... appealing, I find that if he was instead a female his fabulous behavior and appearance would be less interesting for me personally because it would then seem more "natural".

 

[Ember Reaper]

Ghirahim for me

 

[Robert of Normandy]

If I had to pick one, then Gihrahim. I strongly dislike Tingle as a character, so I don't want him in at all.

I just don't see Toon Zelda/Sheik happening. The time to add them would have been at Brawl. Combine that with the Smash fandoms pathological hatred of anything even resembling a clone and I just don't see them happening.

 

[Gene]

If I have to pick one, it would be Impa. My second choice would be Tingle. Everyone else I don't care for.

I mostly just want Link to be better this time around, and Ganondorf to be re worked.

 

[Fastblade5035]

I agree completely (aside from the Tingle part)
As long as Link isn't monkey manure and can actually recover and approach opponents, I'm fine.

Off topic, I thought of a way to give Link the Skyward Strike and keep all his tools from Melee and Brawl.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

So out of the THREE most likey Zelda candidates, who would you rather be in the game?

Toon Zelda / Toon Shiek (Not Tetra)
Ghirahim
Tingle

Dont know if those are the three most likely, but id go with ghirahim, and then impa too.

 

[3Bismyname]

i'd honestly much rather have Toon Zelda. and then Impa when it comes to a newcomer for the Zelda franchise. Ghirahim is just a flavor of the week character and overall i just didnt like him. but to be fair i didnt much care for Skyward Sword as a whole either.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

i'd honestly much rather have Toon Zelda. and then Impa when it comes to a newcomer for the Zelda franchise. Ghirahim is just a flavor of the week character and overall i just didnt like him. but to be fair i didnt much care for Skyward Sword as a whole either.

Considering the triforce is already accounted for, every character afterwords is not going to have the clout or notoriety they do so would it really be bad to have a current character among them? I feel it would at least be better to have another unique villain, than to have 4 zelda variations on the roster.

 

[3Bismyname]

Considering the triforce is already accounted for, every character afterwords is not going to have the clout or notoriety they do so would it really be bad to have a current character among them? I feel it would at least be better to have another unique villain, than to have 4 zelda variations on the roster.

i dont consider Ghirahim that interesting honestly. and sure we got the core characters already but there are still plenty of reocurring characters who are just as viable. Impa, Tingle, and then theres the option to use toon versions of Zelda or Ganondorf who could very well be VERY different from their non toon counterparts. I would much rather have an all-star as opposed to a one shot. but who's to even say we'll get a new Zelda character. its just as likely that Sakurai will see that the Zelda franchise has its best characters in at this point and can choose not to add any if that is the case.

 

[Bowserlick]

Ghirahim has a chance as the new Zelda representative for a couple reasons.

1. Smash needs new characters. Sakurai cannot just keep digging into the past.
2. Ghirahim is not necessarily a one shot character. While not an avatar of the triforce like Zelda, Ganondorf and Link, he is an avatar of evil's answer to a reoccurring weapon.

 

[IAm2Sarcastic4U]

According to Zeldapedia, the main recurring characters of the series are Dark Link, Epona, Ganondorf, Impa, Link, Princess Zelda, Tingle and Vaati.

If there were to be another character rep for the Zelda series, the ones listed above seem the most logical I guess.

 

[Fastblade5035]

Then, why not Vaati?
He's not old, has been in multiple games, and is evil and in a way helps Ganon in Four Swords Adventures.
Basically, going by those points, Vaati, Ghirahim, and Skull Kid have good chances, when they really don't. (Especially SK)
EPONA FOR SM4SH! SHE"S RE-OCCURING!!111! Joking, of course.
Sakurai can do whatever he wants. Point in case, Melee's roster.

 

[3Bismyname]

Ghirahim has a chance as the new Zelda representative for a couple reasons.

1. Smash needs new characters. Sakurai cannot just keep digging into the past.
2. Ghirahim is not necessarily a one shot character. While not an avatar of the triforce like Zelda, Ganondorf and Link, he is an avatar of evil's answer to a reoccurring weapon.

how is using characters who are just a recent but with more prominence to the series than Ghirahim digging into the past. Impa starred in the same game and Tingle may have not had a true role but he was cameod. and with a remake of WW that makes the Toon characters just as relevant . besides that i highly doubt he'll ever get seen again in a Zelda game.

ps. i would love Vaati or Skull Kid. Vaati would have the better shot than Skull Kid though

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ghirahim has a chance as the new Zelda representative for a couple reasons.

1. Smash needs new characters. Sakurai cannot just keep digging into the past.
2. Ghirahim is not necessarily a one shot character. While not an avatar of the triforce like Zelda, Ganondorf and Link, he is an avatar of evil's answer to a reoccurring weapon.

Exactly the same arguments Zant and Midna supporters used...

 

[volbound1700]

How about Groose? LOL saw the thread. I think Skull Kid would be the best add, he is so different from Ganon/Link/Zelda in their movesets. He would be unique. Ghirahim would still rely heavily on the sword.

 

[Spire]

Half of Ghirahim's schtick is magic, so heavy reliance on swordplay? I think not. He could be the first "sword & sorcery" type character in smash, whereas Ganon needs to be all heavy warlock ****, utilizing both melee and magic attacks.

 

[volbound1700]

I guess I am not too against Ghirahim, I put him in one of my prediction lists but I could see Sakurai passing over him. I think there are other options as great, arguably better.

I would like to just see a new Zelda character generally.

 

[Bowserlick]

Exactly the same arguments Zant and Midna supporters used...

Well, Midna and Zant were fairly wrapped up as one-shot characters in the ending of Twilight Princess.

Ghirahim's parallels with Fi means he can appear in other games. He has a strong tie to Zelda myth.

 

[volbound1700]

They could bring back Midna if they wanted to lol. Just find another way to have the Twilight Realm connect to the real world or better yet do Midna and Zant in one of the different alternate time lines such as the WW Timeline.

 

[volbound1700]

They could bring back Midna if they wanted to lol. Just find another way to have the Twilight Realm connect to the real world or better yet do Midna and Zant in one of the different alternate time lines such as the WW Timeline.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Well, Midna and Zant were fairly wrapped up as one-shot characters in the ending of Twilight Princess.

Ghirahim's parallels with Fi means he can appear in other games. He has a strong tie to Zelda myth.

Midna was not wrapped up. The developers even hinted that they might use her again. Ghirahim doesn't even have that kind of recognition.

 

[Fastblade5035]

Midna can appear in other games. Ghirahim might not. It's all up to developers.
So? Midna is the Queen/Princess of the Twilight Realm. That's pretty darn important. Vaati is important to Zelda myth. So is Koume and Kotake in a much smaller role. Again, bad points. By that logic, how about Demise or Groose or Fi?

 

[volbound1700]

Why not just stick a Goron character in Brawl. Heck he could roll around and smash people and would have very unique moveset lol. Mask Link is a good option although three Links maybe too much.

 

[Spire]

The truth is, Nintendo can do anything they want with any character they have. Any single character from the franchise (even Error) has a chance of returning and gaining further prominence. Just depends on what Nintendo chooses to do. It's easy to assume that some characters have died with time. Veran and Onox played very specific roles and were destroyed at the ends of their only two games. Zant basically did the same thing. Vaati's recurrence suggests Nintendo could resurrect him whenever. Ghirahim is technically sealed within the Master Sword throughout the entire series, so he could return in any future game that the Master Sword is featured in.

Here are our most likely Zelda candidates for SSB4, in no particular order:

• Tingle
• Impa
• Ghirahim
• Toon Zelda/Sheik (or Tetra)
• Demise
• Vaati
• New Link
• New supporting character
• New antagonist

Who's gonna get in? No idea. Let's wait for E3.

 

[Bowserlick]

Midna was not wrapped up. The developers even hinted that they might use her again. Ghirahim doesn't even have that kind of recognition.

Do you remember what she did to the Twilight mirror? If the game developers feel like they want to revisit the Twilight Realm, they will find a way to do it. However, the end of Twilight does seem to wrap up the interaction between Light and Dark Worlds.

Ghirahim has the recognition that he is the evil mastersword. I think that is extremely important.

 

[Bowserlick]

Midna can appear in other games. Ghirahim might not. It's all up to developers.
So? Midna is the Queen/Princess of the Twilight Realm. That's pretty darn important. Vaati is important to Zelda myth. So is Koume and Kotake in a much smaller role. Again, bad points. By that logic, how about Demise or Groose or Fi?

Ghiarhim still could have relevance to the mythology. Think of how Fi is in nearly all Zelda games. Ghirahim can be evil's answer to her.