Zelda Franchise Discussion

[Curious Villager]

Yeah I live in the UK and I heard Fire Emblem is coming out on April over here.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Whoa seriously?

Do you have a picture of beta Twilight Princess Impa?

Heres the image from kotaku

I have the book as well, and its pretty excellent. Its got some superb concept art, and its crazy to see a number of unused ideas that could have been in each game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Heres the image from kotaku

I have the book as well, and its pretty excellent. Its got some superb concept art, and its crazy to see a number of unused ideas that could have been in each game.

What's that thing with Sheikahs anyway...? Now we've seen a male Impa, but before we where also not sure if Sheik was male or female. He's quite badass looking though with those bombs and all!

Anyways, maybe they'll consider a female Link or 'Prince Zelda' now as well?

Which brings us to the main question:

What if Zelda... Was a girl?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I'm still waiting on my Historia in the mail because I got the slow shipping on Amazon to save a little bit of money.. I'm really excited to get my hands on it!

Also, the Paper Mario game on the 3DS is okay, but I'd bet most Paper Mario fans would pick it as the weakest link of the four out thus far, myself included. I've yet to complete it. One day I'll get around to it.

 

[volbound1700]

I have a feeling Zelda is getting a 5th character. They are due. Zelda has stood pat between Melee and Brawl not getting another character. The question will be who.

 

[Curious Villager]

Diddy, I believe that was Impaz, not Impa. He/She was just named after Impa. Not the one's who guard or aid Princess Zelda in the other games. Then again, he/she may also be related to her, who knows...

So no, I don't think this means Nintendo would consider a Female Link or Male Zelda.

But who knows you never know...

 

[Diddy Kong]

I know but the book says its Old Man Impa. This was later changed to Impaz yeah. I don't consider this an appearance for Impa however, nor anything positive for Impa's Smash inclusion. But it's a cool note saying Impa was also considered for Twilight Princess, same with Sheik but both got scrapped.

He and other Sheikah characters where probably planned to have a reason to have Sheik in the story. As it wouldn't make sence Zelda trained herself to become Sheik. Which is something I did state before.

Female Link and Prince Zelda where a joke though.

 

[Gene]

If some for reason Nintendo were inspired to do a 63 Zelda game, and Ganondorf was a woman (might be hot too), would Ganondorf look anything close to Nabooru?

 

[Curious Villager]

Oh yeah, your right, Diddy Kong. I didn't even notice that for some reason. O_o Especially since the whole thing was talking about a male Impa. *self facepalm* Guess I didn't pay much attention to the Twilight Princess sections of the book... ^^; my bad.

But yeah it does seem that Impa may have also been considered for Twilight Princess before they decided to change gender back and rename her with an extra z. Either that or its a translation error, or a commentary of the translator or something.

But yeah, this has likely nothing to do with smash anyway's.

Some Zelda fans do actually hope for a female Link in the Zelda series. =p

 

[Gene]

I don't know how I feel about the idea of a female Link. Unless it doesn't screw up the timeline or lore in anyway and Nintendo does it right. Other wise I wouldn't go there.

 

[Second Power]

Technically speaking, it isn't impossible. 'Link' is the name given to the Goddess's chosen hero, so the Goddess has to make/choose a female. Though, it would seem the Goddess is pretty sexist.

 

[Curious Villager]

Technically speaking, it isn't impossible. 'Link' is the name given to the Goddess's chosen hero, so the Goddess has to make/choose a female. Though, it would seem the Goddess is pretty sexist.

Well its not like the fact that the majority of sages, sidekicks and important people in the Zelda series being female is frowned upon... I think Hylia is at least being nice that the main hero is alway's male...

Eh... let's not turn this into a gender debate....

*slowly moves away from current topic* uhm... let's talk about some other interesting thing's. I'ts seems like Nintendo has sure been trying to get Tingle into the DS Zelda's. What with two of them trying to move Linebeck's (?) ship and a... Tingle Train... What do you guy's think about him in terms of smash? (I know there's a Tingle thread but still...)

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I wouldn't want a female link.

it wouldn't add anything to the series, it'd just be a gimmick.

 

[Gene]

I don't think we need Tingle as a new Zelda rep but if he were to be included I'd probably keep him as a secondary.

 

[Zuby]

I wouldn't want a female link.

it wouldn't add anything to the series, it'd just be a gimmick.

But it would be so cute...

 

[Curious Villager]

I don't think we need Tingle as a new Zelda rep but if he were to be included I'd probably keep him as a secondary.

I mainly want to see him playable just to get a good laugh at his hatebase's reactions. That would be hilarious!

But yeah, I don't actually support him either but I wouldn't mind him if he did become playable. =p He has his own games that are apparently popular so he can likely represent himself like Wario and Yoshi do.

 

[LunchPolice]

That roster needs more Link's Uncle.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

I'ts seems like Nintendo has sure been trying to get Tingle into the DS Zelda's. What with two of them trying to move Linebeck's (?) ship and a... Tingle Train... What do you guy's think about him in terms of smash? (I know there's a Tingle thread but still...)

I actually feel like nintendo has been slowly moving away from tingle, he hasnt appeared since minish cap (not counting his side gams). For the most part hes only appeared as easter eggs in zelda games since, kinda feel like beedle filled his role anyway.

Personally id be happy with impa and ghirahim as the newcomers. Both have a good amount of potential IMO.

 

[Banjodorf]

Well, on the other side of the argument, Tingle plays a major role in Wind Waker, and a minor role in Majora's Mask, and one of those is getting a major update, and the other is sure to get one soon.

This will reintroduce Tingle to Zelda in some way. Hmm...

 

[Big-Cat]

As I said in the discussion thread, I used the Impa argument for my anthropology paper.

 

[Diddy Kong]

You did actually write a paper about Impa??

Also, that little girl Link isn't just cute, she's ****ing adorable!

 

[Curious Villager]

Yeah its a bit of a two way street when it comes to Tingle. He hasn't been making anything but cameo's in the Zelda series. But thanks to the Wind Waker (and Majora's Mask if that gets done after a 3DS Zelda has been made) he will be reintroduced to new gamer's who never played a Zelda game before with him in it. Especially those who live in the US. (of course assuming he would be doing nothing but making cameos again in Zelda 3DS and Wii U.)

Something tells me Nintendo will be trying to redeem Tingle in Wind Waker by making the charts cheaper or something in the remake etc... But he still needs to keep his crazy weird attitude. It's just not Tingle without it.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Arcadenik and me even had the idea of Tingle having his own side dungeon where you'll be able to get Rupees easily. All you need to do is that one mind controlling song with the Wind Waker, and you'll be able to controll Tingle, who then would be able to go into the Tingle's Tower which is filled with Rupees. Controlling Tingle would be kinda like how you could control Medli and Makar in the Wind and Earth Temples, except Link isn't there. Tingle would be able to fly with his baloon, and even throw Rupees at enemies to stun them temporarely (the type of Rupee he throws is random though, he could throw a green rupee, but also silver rupees, making this risky).

 

[Big-Cat]

You did actually write a paper about Impa??

Also, that little girl Link isn't just cute, she's ****ing adorable!

Yes and no. I had to do what's called an ethnography where I write about a culture (in this case, Smashboards) and a particular scenario in it that I participated in. I had to keep it brief, but I basically outlined the difference in priorities with the next Smash game: those most concerned about gameplay and those most concerned about the roster like a movie cast. I felt the Impa debate was a prime example of this.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well yeah, it's actually one of the hottest debates in here as a whole so I understand that.

 

[volbound1700]

Skull Kid would be my choice. He is in multiple games and would be popular than any other new Zelda character other than maybe Mask Link.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Skull Kid would be my choice. He is in multiple games and would be popular than any other new Zelda character other than maybe Mask Link.

Skull Kid is not that popular anymore...

A good chunk of his fanbase went to Ghirahim.

 

[FalKoopa]

A good chunk of his fanbase went to Ghirahim.

They might come back if we get a MM remake.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

They might come back if we get a MM remake.

I doubt that would happen.

 

[Mirron]

I personally doubt we'll see a Majora's Mask remake soon enough to make a major difference in terms of Sakurai selecting Skull Kid over Ghirahim, even if I'd vastly prefer the former to the latter. Unfortunately, Zelda-wise, the stars are in, making additional selections after them somewhat redundant, though I still think they warrant an additional inclusion. Anyways, my top five for Zelda would be...

1. Vaati is the top choice for me. Minish Vaati is adorable, and could even make a somewhat viable Toon Link with alterations. Personally I like that idea somewhat, since it still gives us Toon Link (albeit with altered B-moves at least), while including a character I like significantly more. Though he has enough moveset potential to easily stand on his own, so either way I'm for him. As the only recurring villain (however minor he is in one game, and however much the pawn of another in the second), I'd definitely like to see him. Always been one of my favorite Zelda characters in general.

2. Impa as a replacement for Sheik. I'm not a big fan of the Down-B, Impa is a worthy inclusion, and this way no potential stepping on toes. As well, allows for a Skyward Sword update without having to worry about Sheik. I think Impa could get her own moveset, but I think this way is simplest, and avoids adding an additional figure to the roster in some ways, since the changes would be mostly cosmetic.

3. Skull Kid comes in at the third spot. He probably ranks higher than Impa on my like list, but I think Impa deserves representation given her massive recurring role in the series (relative to other characters at least, she's decently major, though changes a lot more than the core three do). I love Majora's Mask, all I really have to say about it. He's a very unique figure, and one I'd like a great deal more so than most potential reps. Immensely unlikely I realize, but I think if included he'd certainly be plenty of fun.

4. Toon Link revamp. Since it'd probably be a mechanical overhaul, I'll list it as a new character. Basically speaking just rebuilding Toon Link from the ground up. Making him more mechanically distinct compared to Link than he is now. Not like Toon Link can't easily have a solid B set that isn't remotely like Link's, and could reference other recurring items or the like.

5. As much as I dislike him, I don't think I can include a top five without mentioning him. I don't like Tingle in the slightest. If included I wouldn't play as him in all likelihood, though the possibility of a likeable moveset is there I suppose. But he's shown up often enough, and had his own games, that I think not including him at all would be rather off on my end.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

I think at this point it is a battle between Ghirahim and Impa

 

[FalKoopa]

I think at this point it is a battle between Ghirahim and Impa

Ghirahim is original, but unlikely . Impa may have a chance of replacing shiek, preferably separate from Zelda.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Welcome Mirron to Smashboards and this thread!

I really like your character choices. Especially Impa. Am a huge supporter of her, and its cool to see someone here using "my" arguments to want her in. Needless to say, I agree fully with having her in. We even have a Impa support thread (3 pages back or something though...), so check that out.

Also, kinda proofs that I'm not the only one wanting her in. Which is something certain people love to say about me.

Impa 4 Smash!!!

 

[OmegaRS]

While Sheik is not only one of my favorite Zelda and Smash characters, but one of my favorite Nintendo characters, even I wouldn't mind if they brought in Impa to replace Sheik. Impa was really awesome in Skyward Sword, and when I first seen her, I instantly thought (Okay more like hoped) that she was some form of Sheik.

 

[Diddy Kong]

While Sheik is not only one of my favorite Zelda and Smash characters, but one of my favorite Nintendo characters, even I wouldn't mind if they brought in Impa to replace Sheik. Impa was really awesome in Skyward Sword, and when I first seen her, I instantly thought (Okay more like hoped) that she was some form of Sheik.

Thanks for your opinion man. It again proofs my point even Sheik lovers would accept Impa in Smash. She honestly would be the best idea to make Zelda and 'Sheik' appart from each other. Kinda like how everyone plays them anyway.

I even like Sheik myself. And play as her in both Melee and Brawl (secondary character though in both) but feel Impa's abilities in Skyward Sword would make for an excellent revamp possibility for Sheik's moveset. Which was frankly all made up anyway. So having a character in with actual abilities outside of Vanish would be good for the game.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Am a huge supporter of her, and its cool to see someone here using "my" arguments to want her in. Needless to say, I agree fully with having her in. We even have a Impa support thread (3 pages back or something though...), so check that out.

Also, kinda proofs that I'm not the only one wanting her in. Which is something certain people love to say about me.

Impa 4 Smash!!!

Im totally there with you diddy kong, impa is one of my most wanted characters and i think she would definitely be a great addition. Most of the other sites i went to wouldnt even hear of her inclusion so yes it is good to see you guys are open to and for the idea.

 

[volbound1700]

The problem with Ghirahim is he is a one game wonder. Skull Kid has been in at least three Zelda games that I can think of (Ocarina, Majora, Twilight).

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

The problem with Ghirahim is he is a one game wonder. Skull Kid has been in at least three Zelda games that I can think of (Ocarina, Majora, Twilight).

No where is it said that a character has to be in multiple games to have a chance in this, as long as they have a fanbase and have potential thats enough. And like sheik if ghirahim is in smash bros you can guarantee he will garner a fanbase just like hers, which could lead to future appearances, so really the one shot argument isnt as founded as most seem to believe.

 

[volbound1700]

Hylian that is a good point. Ness and Captain Falcon haven't had a game in awhile and were one gamers when first added. Ice Climbers as well.

I wouldn't mind see Ghirahim, I just think Skull Kid would have a more interesting moveset potential and be a better addition.

 

[Banjodorf]

Hylian that is a good point. Ness and Captain Falcon haven't had a game in awhile and were one gamers when first added. Ice Climbers as well.

I wouldn't mind see Ghirahim, I just think Skull Kid would have a more interesting moveset potential and be a better addition.

I'm a big Ghira fan, but isn't it true that Falcon had 2 games when 64 game out? F-zero and X? Otherwise, yeah, history does show one-timers CAN make it...hmm...