Nihonjin comin through................I'll see if I can record our next smash fest and get some of those match ups on tape. =]
We don't really have Marth/Falcon mains here though so you'll have to settle with Adam.
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z0mg New vids! Get em while they're fresh! ~ft Captain Jack, Masashi, Armada & me ^^
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I know his Marth and Falcon are really good haha.And Adam's too good, if his Marth/Falcon is not good enough, nothing is.
I'm just teasing him (if he ever reads it)
Samochan
Smash Master
Do tell me too if you get new vids, post em here or msn :3I know his Marth and Falcon are really good haha.
I'm just teasing him (if he ever reads it)
If we make em Ill post em here.
darkatma
Smash Hero
moar vids please!
soap
Smash Hero
nihonjin dash dance game is proper, he does the long slow and sexy dashes
shoot some aerial needles against masashi to hit the sweetspot from below instead of standing needles, that was just bothering me the whole set.
shoot some aerial needles against masashi to hit the sweetspot from below instead of standing needles, that was just bothering me the whole set.
I played Masashi for a couple of days before the tournament and I actually destroyed him completely everytime we came close to the edge. Then right before the tournament he figured out a way to counter it (and actually kill me for trying to edge guard him in various ways...) so I just gave up on edgeguarding him and played it safe.
Now looking back on it I could've easily figured out a way to edge guard him, but I didn't want to screw up and my controller wasn't really cooperating either (lalala johns). *apologises*
soap
Smash Hero
aerial needle, u have no lag, quickly edgehog, then use invinicibility to plow through (ledgehop nair, fair, even uair stage spike ive seen done somewhere)
Heres a really old crappy match where i walk around alot but i do a couple aerial needle edgeguards on his sweetspot, u can really follow it up easier without that standing needle lag, u just have to time the needle more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NW3wY7X_MU
Heres a really old crappy match where i walk around alot but i do a couple aerial needle edgeguards on his sweetspot, u can really follow it up easier without that standing needle lag, u just have to time the needle more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NW3wY7X_MU
lol, you don't have to tell me or show me how to edgeguard with Sheik, I know.
Like I said, I did that (and ALOT more) during friendlies and he found ways around it, and because my controller wasn't really working well I didn't want to risk improvising and dying (like I did during our friendlies).
If you played me regularly you'd know that edgeguarding is a huge part of my game, I had my reasons for not doing so.
Samochan
Smash Master
Hear hear soap.
But hey amsah, when's the next big euro tourney and will you ever visit finland? >.>
But hey amsah, when's the next big euro tourney and will you ever visit finland? >.>
soap
Smash Hero
my bad i guess...there are real good sheiks like drephen that are scard to go down there and play it safe all the time, i guess i dont really know enough about what u do, ive watched alot of your matches just not many vs. fox, i was just throwin stuff out there
Haha, thats ok.
I think I accidently came off as if I'm offended, I'm not, not at all.
I actually appreciate the advice, I was just trying to point out I know exactly what you mean and I agree and usually do that
darkatma
Smash Hero
if i could edgeguard as well as nihonjin i'd be so happy >_>
lol
lol
^Sarcasm lol?
Samochan
Smash Master
You'd piss your pants if amsah (nihonjin) came up against you, especially if you were to play fox or falco.if i could edgeguard as well as nihonjin i'd be so happy >_>
lol
I know I would if I were to play space animals. D:And amsah, you seriously gotta hang around msn moar. I wanna chat :<
Banks
Smash Hero
sheik's dthrow in this makes me want to vomit
soap
Smash Hero
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=178903
so i just saw this thread.. is it true...y'all comin? ima start savin now
so i just saw this thread.. is it true...y'all comin? ima start savin now
^Thats the plan man
MassofthePhoenix
Smash Cadet
not to reply almost a month later ( you'll have to forgive me i just joined ), but if you just mean C.falcon in general ( not just in dif. countries ), G@be is a pretty sick Falcon, imo.
^He was talking about european C.falcon players. =]
And welcome to the forums.
And welcome to the forums.
darkatma
Smash Hero
no i wasn't being sarcastic
just from all your other vids, you have some of the most consistent edgeguarding of like, any sheik..
which is why i'd be really happy if my edgeguarding was as good as yours
Haha alright, thanks then I guess. =]
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
Didn't you do like three offstage fairs on EK once?
If i remember correctly, i saw that a while ago in a vid i got from a friend
If i remember correctly, i saw that a while ago in a vid i got from a friend
Nihonjin, any tips vs Fox? I noticed like with you vs Masashi it went back and forth a lot but you managed to pull a win every time. Some things I noticed that were good was jumping back then fairing (in case he nairs at you, I'm stealing that. ) and not caring about his lasers and making sure you make those needles count when you charge them.
Any other tricks/tips/advice? :D
Lastly, when you sdi fox's upairs, do you time left/right with control stick... or any tips on that?
Thanks for anything in advance!
) and not caring about his lasers and making sure you make those needles count when you charge them. Any other tricks/tips/advice? :D
Lastly, when you sdi fox's upairs, do you time left/right with control stick... or any tips on that?
Thanks for anything in advance!
Samochan
Smash Master
Crouch canceling fox's nairs in reaction into quick stuff makes life a lot harder for any fox player to try and get any shine comboes in, forcing them to rely on drillshine more often. And the way you need to sdi depends on which way fox faces, since the hitboxes gets mirrored. You need to sdi to the way fox faces, basically. It gets trickier if they di that way also, making the strong hitbox move toward the way you are going to sdi. Then it might be good to actually di up and against fox, so the second hit might just miss if they have a lot of momentum. But it depends of the situation, the weak leg hits on the side fox faces, then the strong one is on the side where his back faces.Nihonjin, any tips vs Fox? I noticed like with you vs Masashi it went back and forth a lot but you managed to pull a win every time. Some things I noticed that were good was jumping back then fairing (in case he nairs at you, I'm stealing that.
Any other tricks/tips/advice? :D
Lastly, when you sdi fox's upairs, do you time left/right with control stick... or any tips on that?
Thanks for anything in advance!
Edgeguarding is important against fox, as well as succesfull gimps. If you fail vs edgeguarding fox repeatedly/consistently, you will most likely lose, so you need to make them count. Lost stock can mean lost momentum in many cases for the fox and one stock less for you to worry about and less chances for him getting those stocks down from you.
You also need to abuse sheik's awesome statistical frame data. Awesome shield, roll, spot dodge, hitboxes, annoyingness... yea, abuse that stuff for your hearts content.
My edgeguard game is pretty good, haha. Don't need to worry about that part. I had failed edgeguarding sometimes like up til 2 years ago. Doesn't happen any more.
Also, what do you mean cc fox's nair to quick stuff? Most good foxes are too quick to nair then stuff so you can't like cc dsmash. If you could elaborate on that, that'd be cool.
Thanks for asdi info. I think that's what my friend was telling me, but I never really payed attention haha.
Also, what do you mean cc fox's nair to quick stuff? Most good foxes are too quick to nair then stuff so you can't like cc dsmash. If you could elaborate on that, that'd be cool.
Thanks for asdi info. I think that's what my friend was telling me, but I never really payed attention haha.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
It's like Marth's cc grab.
You should have time to cc d-smash them out of nair-shine on the conditions that they don't
1) do the nair really, really late (after they perform the fast fall basically)
2) edgecancel it (say you're on a platform or something)
Otherwise it should be ccable provided your percent isn't too high. You could probably try to pull a Marth and cc grab if you felt like it. Or even cc tilts if he's at a higher percent and you need to or want to try and setup a fair.
My friend says if Fox does the nair really, really high and it autocancels into shine then they shine before you can do anything but they have to be really freaking high for that to happen and I'm not even sure if it's true or if it's only true at certain percents or whatnot so yeah.
You should have time to cc d-smash them out of nair-shine on the conditions that they don't
1) do the nair really, really late (after they perform the fast fall basically)
2) edgecancel it (say you're on a platform or something)
Otherwise it should be ccable provided your percent isn't too high. You could probably try to pull a Marth and cc grab if you felt like it. Or even cc tilts if he's at a higher percent and you need to or want to try and setup a fair.
My friend says if Fox does the nair really, really high and it autocancels into shine then they shine before you can do anything but they have to be really freaking high for that to happen and I'm not even sure if it's true or if it's only true at certain percents or whatnot so yeah.
Samochan
Smash Master
My buddy uses nair so that it hits when I'm airborne or it hits me just as he lands, making it very difficult to try and cc it as he hits with the tip of the toe and immediately L-cancels it to shine or whatever. But as soon as someone hits you and yea, provided you don't get hit by strong attack that you're unable to cc or have too much %, you can cc pretty much everything on this game. CC to grab is ghey, you could also jab the fox, dsmash, dtilt, dash attack or ftilt. Shield is relatively safe and comes up in 2 frames after you put down the button command, then you could just nair from shield as soon as fox finishes with the shine part.
Good cc'ing skillz are in general, really annoying to fight against and helpful in each matchup. Marth who doesn't always manage to tip can find himself getting punished more often than not.
Good cc'ing skillz are in general, really annoying to fight against and helpful in each matchup. Marth who doesn't always manage to tip can find himself getting punished more often than not.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
i dislike ccing to jab. most foxes hold down after nair because of the shine which makes ccing into ccable things somewhat facepalm-worthy in my (limited) experience. and everyone tries to cc sheik's moves anyways because it's your only real defense vs her tilts/jab game with most of the cast.
cc to shield is very underrated and needs to be used more. even if you don't kill them or **** death baby-killing combo out of it it gives you more chances to get away and avoid taking their moves up the anus.
cc to shield is very underrated and needs to be used more. even if you don't kill them or **** death baby-killing combo out of it it gives you more chances to get away and avoid taking their moves up the anus.
Samochan
Smash Master
Well I just mentioned it as an option since it's sheik's fastest attack, some foxes might get suprised and then phail at reacting to the upcoming attack like dsmash or ftilt. But yea, they hold down to shine anyway so they'd cc it most likely.i dislike ccing to jab. most foxes hold down after nair because of the shine which makes ccing into ccable things somewhat facepalm-worthy in my (limited) experience. and everyone tries to cc sheik's moves anyways because it's your only real defense vs her tilts/jab game with most of the cast.
cc to shield is very underrated and needs to be used more. even if you don't kill them or **** death baby-killing combo out of it it gives you more chances to get away and avoid taking their moves up the anus.
Ground moves outprioritise aerial moves, so sheik could use some nasty priority move from ground and then pwn any approaching fox. Or just wd back/dash and ftilt lol.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Do they really?
I really found Sheik's Fair > her F-tilt in terms of priority. Same with Bair.
>__>
Maybe I just fail at spacing
>__>
soap
Smash Hero
i dont think thats true in most cases. at least trying to ftilt a fox nair, i always trade hits and i usually come off worse as he recovers quicker.
love the new KK avatar
Samochan
Smash Master
Well uh, I think I messed up and explained things wrongly here. Sheik's tilts didn't have the big hitbox I remembered. But ground moves > aerial moves in priority in general. If you like, do stuff at the same time, ground moves will beat aerial moves since they cannot clank. Sheik's upsmash has tons of priority though since the head and hands are invincible and they have nice hitboxes, and sheik's feet is also invincible on the first frame of the dsmash.
But yea, space and move well and fox will have trouble hitting you without getting owned by sheik's tilts and whatever.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Just own Fox and DO NOT ****ING LOSE GAME ONE or so help you god it's all Pokefloats and Green Greens and Corneria and Rainbow Cruise from there.
Or play Fox yourself on those stages if you're good with him. That works too.
Or play Fox yourself on those stages if you're good with him. That works too.
soap
Smash Hero
i ban floats, how bout u?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Stadium or FD. Depends on where I think the Fox as a player is better.
I just try to win game 1. I figure Yoshi's isn't too bad for Sheik because of small sides and small space so random d-smashes and whatnot gimp Fox pretty quickly (he still probably has slight advantage there but it's pretty even). FoD or Battlefield will mostly likely be banned so one of them will be on, and I think Dreamland is about even. That leaves one bad stage for me (I suck on FD and Stadium vs Fox) and one good one (FoD/Battlefield) and two that are about even (DL64/Yoshi).
So I feel overall I have about as much chance of winning game 1 as he does. I don't see much use in banning a counterpick stage vs Fox most of the time unless I know they're only totting one gay level they're good at. If they can play 2 counterpick stages with high effectiveness (say, Floats and Cruise) it makes little difference which one I ban IMHO because they're both terrible.
edit: I'm probably exaggerating Fox's counterpick homosexuality, I just have a deep profound hatred of gay levels. It's infuriating to have a Fox laser camp on Pokefloats for several minutes or Rainbow Cruise and be unable to kill them or whatnot due to walls, random pokemon, the moving sides, etc. And Sheik conveniently loses her recovery abilities at several points on both of those levels because of the distinct lack of edges.
Fun fun fun.
I just try to win game 1. I figure Yoshi's isn't too bad for Sheik because of small sides and small space so random d-smashes and whatnot gimp Fox pretty quickly (he still probably has slight advantage there but it's pretty even). FoD or Battlefield will mostly likely be banned so one of them will be on, and I think Dreamland is about even. That leaves one bad stage for me (I suck on FD and Stadium vs Fox) and one good one (FoD/Battlefield) and two that are about even (DL64/Yoshi).
So I feel overall I have about as much chance of winning game 1 as he does. I don't see much use in banning a counterpick stage vs Fox most of the time unless I know they're only totting one gay level they're good at. If they can play 2 counterpick stages with high effectiveness (say, Floats and Cruise) it makes little difference which one I ban IMHO because they're both terrible.
edit: I'm probably exaggerating Fox's counterpick homosexuality, I just have a deep profound hatred of gay levels. It's infuriating to have a Fox laser camp on Pokefloats for several minutes or Rainbow Cruise and be unable to kill them or whatnot due to walls, random pokemon, the moving sides, etc. And Sheik conveniently loses her recovery abilities at several points on both of those levels because of the distinct lack of edges.
Fun fun fun.