#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Whoops, did it wrong.
@MOD: Just to make sure, you did have to get this set up approved, right?
@MOD: Just to make sure, you did have to get this set up approved, right?
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Youtube Memes Mafia Game Over! Town... WINS :D lolwut end scum win streak B****EZ!!!
- Thread starter #HBC | Gorf
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Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Sword, what was your reasoning for shooting Bed?
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Lower activity, scumhunting which looked forced, and him trying to derail the Swiss wagon were the main reasons. Why do you ask Gova?
X1-12
Smash Champion
lawl
sold2 definitely did approve this, gboy said about it earlier in like D1 or D2 when swiss was trying to undermine my cop claim
sold2 definitely did approve this, gboy said about it earlier in like D1 or D2 when swiss was trying to undermine my cop claim
X1-12
Smash Champion
I don't make much of that Sword, why?
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Because if you were gonna shoot dead weight agian I was thinking about why I wasn't shot, considering that's the reason I'm about to get lynched.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
I just want some opinions on this, and I ask you because your confirmed town, meaning your opinion is genuine. Gova didn't have to vote Swiss, so that's basically the biggest factor to his defense in my book. I figure it's best to figure out why mafia would do this to completly justify voting for Gova.
X1-12
Smash Champion
will respond in morning
may re-read end of D2 as well
may re-read end of D2 as well
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Gova who were your scumpicks Day 1 & 2 and why?
X1-12
Smash Champion
also gova just dump everything about everyone before we lynch you
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
Yes I had to get this setup approved by Sold.
X1-12
Smash Champion
Actually not gonna lie, If you are the last maf and just gave up now/didn't bother answering I at least wouldn't lose any respect for you since your lynch is inevitable tbh
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
@Sword
D1
Kuz, BSL, and Swiss
Kuz was a major case of dumb or scum for me. He was confident that Swiss would flip indy as scum would know and his logic for for X1 being town if he was lying and Swiss flipped town was dumb. He wasn't making accusations and he was taking outs from everyone including me.
I will maintain that BSL had terrible logic for thinking Kuz was scum. He implied that he knew Kuz knew Swiss was town which he should have no way of knowing if he was town. This is akin to me saying you're scum because I know you know I'm town. As soon as I saw Kuz's flip I dropped BSL completely from my scumlist because there was no way he would bus off of such terrible logic.
Swiss was mostly because of the guilty but I didn't like the fact that he tried to misconstrue my post 61 as scummy twice. I refuted both of his accusations as well and he didn't even bother to respond to my second refutation.
D2
You and Swiss
Your case on Swiss was real wishy washy and you offered why he could be town as well as scum. If you thought he was scum why even bother mentioning why he could be town. It looked like you were just trying to protect yourself in case he actually flipped town.
X1 pushed me to take a stance on this D2 in one of his posts.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11822645&postcount=655
That being the post I am reffering to. I re-read after that and he was really out for self-survival and that was why I was Ok for voting Swiss when you asked me to.
@X1
Gheb: I don't see how he is obv town. He is accusing me of being scum for letting scum get lynched. I don't see the logic behind how I am scum for this. His posts have no real semblance to them and I felt like I was reading the same thing over and over. He calls me out for having few connections but I'm sure I went out of my way to at least question every one. He didn't even interact with Kuz at all D1 and only mentioned him a few times, not to mention he said he didn't find Kuz scummy at all. He also keeps saying we should talk about other people but he never goes out of his way to ask questions to anyone or get stances from anyone. Other than me and Kuz, he was also the only person to doubt your claim from the very begining and thinks you were lying, which while on it's own I wouldn't have thought much of it but later on he tries to offer a scenario where Swiss is town even though it's been stated that you had a mod confirmed sanity gulty on Swiss, coupled with the fact that he said he didn't support the Swiss lynch.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11779664&postcount=479
Why support it D2 then? If he didn't why was he on his wagon then?
I feel like I'm forgetting something that I thought was suspicious but I can see where Kev is coming from in regards to his suspicions of Gheb.
Nabe:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11811359&postcount=593
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11823105&postcount=663
I get a very town vibe from Nabe in those posts. I thought it was obvious what he thought but somehow Gheb still couldn't see it. I also can't see him bussing the godfather D1 and D2. He has been saying who he would take other than Swiss but he has been seriously pro-Swiss lynch since the start of D1 and I don't blame him. Who wouldn't take a Swiss lynch when there is a guilty on him with mod confirmed sanity. Even though his case on Kev was weak he at least offered what he thought was scummy intent which is way more than anyone else has offered. The end of D2 was slighty scummy as Bed pointed out where he was setting up lynches. Also confused about his switch to Kev near the end of D2, did he legit forget to unvote or what? It left a bad feeling in my mind since he had been advocating a Swiss lynch all the way up to that point. He also never said why he thought Kev was scummy.
Sword:
It should be obvious by now what I think of Sword but here it is again anyways. What he says and what he does aren't lining up. I think he is lying pretty much. He wanted a Swiss lynch all D1 and was very very vocal about saying one of them pretty much needs to go that day. Come night he decides to kill GLG over Swiss saying that GLG was dead weight and he didn't want the responibility for killing Swiss. The thing is though responibility wouldn't have fallen on him if it was a night kill because we wouldn't have known it was him where-as if he got Swiss lynched and Swiss flipped town responsibility would be on his shoulders. This is what I meant by it didn't matter how Swiss dies if he thought he was scum. Plus it would have been SO SO SO pro-town to kill Swiss because not only does it stop the tunneling on Swiss/X1 which took up a large part of D2 as well but it means we have to start looking at other players and it would have cleared/implicated X1. I really think he didn't kill Swiss so he could pseudo-scumhunt to look more town. (The same applies to Gheb except for the kill part, most if not all of Gheb's posts involve Swiss in some way that I think he was just hiding behind the guilty to look more town since he never bothered to look at other people himself. He just kept saying we should look at other people but really didn't do anything about it.)
Kev:
He's been throwing around lynches a lot but that doesn't tell me who he thinks is scum because scum can throw out lynches too. It feels like he doesn't want to take a stance on anything and seems like he doesn't want to be wrong. I feel like he might be town after his arguement with DH. No one really came to his defence except for you and it would have been easy for scum to misconstrue DH's actions as being scummy. I think scum might have been letting him dig his own grave since a lot of people think/thought he was scummy which is one of the reasons I don't think he bussed Swiss and I really don't think he bussed Kuz like that either. If he was scum he'd be fine with a no lynch. I don't think he was bussing Swiss because even if Kev was scum there was no way Swiss was living past D3 especially with X1 still around and I'd bet money that X1 would have accused Swiss of being godfather when he got an innocent result. It wouldn't have been in scum's best interest to bus Kev if he was scum basically is what I'm saying. On that note I think the last scum role is a stalker like you said X1 since Swiss said you were actually the cop at then end of D2 and I don't know how he would know this.
X1:
This is more of a personal gripe than anything but you always talk about scummy intent so I have to ask you where is the scummy intent in my posts? No one has bothered to point this out and my lynch has snowballed because everyone thinks im suspicious but no one cares to explain why.
D1
Kuz, BSL, and Swiss
Kuz was a major case of dumb or scum for me. He was confident that Swiss would flip indy as scum would know and his logic for for X1 being town if he was lying and Swiss flipped town was dumb. He wasn't making accusations and he was taking outs from everyone including me.
I will maintain that BSL had terrible logic for thinking Kuz was scum. He implied that he knew Kuz knew Swiss was town which he should have no way of knowing if he was town. This is akin to me saying you're scum because I know you know I'm town. As soon as I saw Kuz's flip I dropped BSL completely from my scumlist because there was no way he would bus off of such terrible logic.
Swiss was mostly because of the guilty but I didn't like the fact that he tried to misconstrue my post 61 as scummy twice. I refuted both of his accusations as well and he didn't even bother to respond to my second refutation.
D2
You and Swiss
Your case on Swiss was real wishy washy and you offered why he could be town as well as scum. If you thought he was scum why even bother mentioning why he could be town. It looked like you were just trying to protect yourself in case he actually flipped town.
X1 pushed me to take a stance on this D2 in one of his posts.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11822645&postcount=655
That being the post I am reffering to. I re-read after that and he was really out for self-survival and that was why I was Ok for voting Swiss when you asked me to.
@X1
Gheb: I don't see how he is obv town. He is accusing me of being scum for letting scum get lynched. I don't see the logic behind how I am scum for this. His posts have no real semblance to them and I felt like I was reading the same thing over and over. He calls me out for having few connections but I'm sure I went out of my way to at least question every one. He didn't even interact with Kuz at all D1 and only mentioned him a few times, not to mention he said he didn't find Kuz scummy at all. He also keeps saying we should talk about other people but he never goes out of his way to ask questions to anyone or get stances from anyone. Other than me and Kuz, he was also the only person to doubt your claim from the very begining and thinks you were lying, which while on it's own I wouldn't have thought much of it but later on he tries to offer a scenario where Swiss is town even though it's been stated that you had a mod confirmed sanity gulty on Swiss, coupled with the fact that he said he didn't support the Swiss lynch.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11779664&postcount=479
Why support it D2 then? If he didn't why was he on his wagon then?
I feel like I'm forgetting something that I thought was suspicious but I can see where Kev is coming from in regards to his suspicions of Gheb.
Nabe:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11811359&postcount=593
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11823105&postcount=663
I get a very town vibe from Nabe in those posts. I thought it was obvious what he thought but somehow Gheb still couldn't see it. I also can't see him bussing the godfather D1 and D2. He has been saying who he would take other than Swiss but he has been seriously pro-Swiss lynch since the start of D1 and I don't blame him. Who wouldn't take a Swiss lynch when there is a guilty on him with mod confirmed sanity. Even though his case on Kev was weak he at least offered what he thought was scummy intent which is way more than anyone else has offered. The end of D2 was slighty scummy as Bed pointed out where he was setting up lynches. Also confused about his switch to Kev near the end of D2, did he legit forget to unvote or what? It left a bad feeling in my mind since he had been advocating a Swiss lynch all the way up to that point. He also never said why he thought Kev was scummy.
Sword:
It should be obvious by now what I think of Sword but here it is again anyways. What he says and what he does aren't lining up. I think he is lying pretty much. He wanted a Swiss lynch all D1 and was very very vocal about saying one of them pretty much needs to go that day. Come night he decides to kill GLG over Swiss saying that GLG was dead weight and he didn't want the responibility for killing Swiss. The thing is though responibility wouldn't have fallen on him if it was a night kill because we wouldn't have known it was him where-as if he got Swiss lynched and Swiss flipped town responsibility would be on his shoulders. This is what I meant by it didn't matter how Swiss dies if he thought he was scum. Plus it would have been SO SO SO pro-town to kill Swiss because not only does it stop the tunneling on Swiss/X1 which took up a large part of D2 as well but it means we have to start looking at other players and it would have cleared/implicated X1. I really think he didn't kill Swiss so he could pseudo-scumhunt to look more town. (The same applies to Gheb except for the kill part, most if not all of Gheb's posts involve Swiss in some way that I think he was just hiding behind the guilty to look more town since he never bothered to look at other people himself. He just kept saying we should look at other people but really didn't do anything about it.)
Kev:
He's been throwing around lynches a lot but that doesn't tell me who he thinks is scum because scum can throw out lynches too. It feels like he doesn't want to take a stance on anything and seems like he doesn't want to be wrong. I feel like he might be town after his arguement with DH. No one really came to his defence except for you and it would have been easy for scum to misconstrue DH's actions as being scummy. I think scum might have been letting him dig his own grave since a lot of people think/thought he was scummy which is one of the reasons I don't think he bussed Swiss and I really don't think he bussed Kuz like that either. If he was scum he'd be fine with a no lynch. I don't think he was bussing Swiss because even if Kev was scum there was no way Swiss was living past D3 especially with X1 still around and I'd bet money that X1 would have accused Swiss of being godfather when he got an innocent result. It wouldn't have been in scum's best interest to bus Kev if he was scum basically is what I'm saying. On that note I think the last scum role is a stalker like you said X1 since Swiss said you were actually the cop at then end of D2 and I don't know how he would know this.
X1:
This is more of a personal gripe than anything but you always talk about scummy intent so I have to ask you where is the scummy intent in my posts? No one has bothered to point this out and my lynch has snowballed because everyone thinks im suspicious but no one cares to explain why.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Oh yeah, regarding Kev and Gheb, I don't like how they are using Swiss' stances at all. It's all wifom and can't be trusted.
Gheb specifically, for thinking that the indy stance from Swiss' is genuine. Yeah it might be in scum's interest to find the indy but it's also in their interest to cause a mislynch which is done easily enough by calling someone an indy. He's also been parroting a lot D3. He parroted you X1 about how I'm the last scum who doesn't know what to do w/o my scum buddies and he parroted me about how town would be going into a worst case scenario being 1v1v1. You did that too btw X1.
I forgot something for Sword as well. He said he assumed there was an indy with no NK D2 after he saw his NK and the mafia NK and I don't buy that. Why would anyone assume there is an indy especially if you know both kills are accounted for.
Gheb specifically, for thinking that the indy stance from Swiss' is genuine. Yeah it might be in scum's interest to find the indy but it's also in their interest to cause a mislynch which is done easily enough by calling someone an indy. He's also been parroting a lot D3. He parroted you X1 about how I'm the last scum who doesn't know what to do w/o my scum buddies and he parroted me about how town would be going into a worst case scenario being 1v1v1. You did that too btw X1.
I forgot something for Sword as well. He said he assumed there was an indy with no NK D2 after he saw his NK and the mafia NK and I don't buy that. Why would anyone assume there is an indy especially if you know both kills are accounted for.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Gova there is a lot wrong with your thoughts on everyone but nevermind that for now. Just tell me who you would say is the last mafia member out of everyone here, and try using connections to back up your reasoning.
Since you claim to be unaware of the reason we're lynching you, I'll enlighten you . . . later. I first want to who you think is the last mafia member.
13 man game is pretty ideal for their being an indy. Someone already said this much earlier, and I can't remember who, but basically, 10 town vs. 3 scum is anti-scum. 9 townies vs. 4 scum is anti-town. 13 man set ups almost always have to have an indie to balance it out.
Since you claim to be unaware of the reason we're lynching you, I'll enlighten you . . . later. I first want to who you think is the last mafia member.
X1-12
Smash Champion
Vote: Gova
I could sit here all day second-guessing my reads on kev etc but I don't really care to
L-1
I could sit here all day second-guessing my reads on kev etc but I don't really care to
L-1
X1-12
Smash Champion
Night actions: Vig no shoot whatever happens. If gova flips maf I wont investigate. If he flips indy I will investigate Kev, if he flips town I'll either investigate kev or not investigate at all
X1-12
Smash Champion
i.e I'm fine if someone hammers him now
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
6. Gova- (3): Nabe, X1-12, KevinM
1. X1-12- (0)
3. Gheb_01- (0):
4. KevinM- (0)
8. SwordDancer- (0)
9. Nabe- (0)
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is January 3rd, 3:30 PM Est.
Lol I thought X1 hammered and I was like... lol? But then I saw Sword unvote and I was like "Damn almost pulled an X1 in Newb 10 (<3)
1. X1-12- (0)
3. Gheb_01- (0):
4. KevinM- (0)
8. SwordDancer- (0)
9. Nabe- (0)
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is January 3rd, 3:30 PM Est.
Lol I thought X1 hammered and I was like... lol? But then I saw Sword unvote and I was like "Damn almost pulled an X1 in Newb 10 (<3)
X1-12
Smash Champion
Unvote
Vote: Gova
thats 4.
Flip now plz mod, no twilight.
Vote: Gova
thats 4.
Flip now plz mod, no twilight.
X1-12
Smash Champion
Also not gonna lie but what you just said implies that lynching gova would end the game, as you would reveal the flip early without the need for a twilight
X1-12
Smash Champion
Read: mod-confirmed gova is scum
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Lol, you're so anixous X1. Are you sure about that mod confirm thing? I'll just hammer right now if so.
X1-12
Smash Champion
I'm semi-joking but either way I'm happy for you to hammer.
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
@X1 that's three.
X1-12
Smash Champion
@Mod: I'm joking, K? just forget about it
X1-12
Smash Champion
lawl ninja'd
sword just hammer bro.
don't shoot.
sword just hammer bro.
don't shoot.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
BOOM!
vote gova
Gova if you're really curious about why we're lynchin you, then ask me after this game. at this point it doesn't really matter though.
vote gova
Gova if you're really curious about why we're lynchin you, then ask me after this game. at this point it doesn't really matter though.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
I swear if there is a SK in this game I'm gonna pop a cap in Gboy's ***.
X1-12
Smash Champion
@Mod: Request shorter twilight plz
X1-12
Smash Champion
also if town loses from 1 mislynch I'm gonna rage so hard. Just letting you know mod so you can quickly change my role to BP unlynchable triplevoter if needs be
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
@X1: If Gova flips indie, why shouldn't I shoot again? Might as well take off a suspect, am I right?
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
6. Gova- (4): Nabe, X1-12, KevinM, Sword
1. X1-12- (0)
3. Gheb_01- (0):
4. KevinM- (0)
8. SwordDancer- (0)
9. Nabe- (0)
Twilight ends January 3rd, 2011 at 1:40 AM.
Gova requested a full twilight, and I'm gonna grant it. If he says it's okay to end it early, I'll end it early.
1. X1-12- (0)
3. Gheb_01- (0):
4. KevinM- (0)
8. SwordDancer- (0)
9. Nabe- (0)
Twilight ends January 3rd, 2011 at 1:40 AM.
Gova requested a full twilight, and I'm gonna grant it. If he says it's okay to end it early, I'll end it early.
X1-12
Smash Champion
Taking off 1 suspect just makes you a suspect, so we gain nothing except the loss of a player.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
bleh, whatever happened to democracy? 
@X1: Wouldn't I be cleared at that point though?
@X1: Wouldn't I be cleared at that point though?
X1-12
Smash Champion
If he flips indy you may shoot kevin. ONLY if he flips indy though.
@Mod: L2Count plz
@Mod: L2Count plz
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Fine by me.
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
Y'all know the votecount 
.
Fix'd.
.Fix'd.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
So, um, we're having a full twilight for what reason again?
Gova, if you want to say something, say it now.
Gova, if you want to say something, say it now.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
For last maf I'd say either Kev/Gheb. I really don't think it was Nabe. And why can't you tell me why I was lynched now?