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[#HBC | Nabe]

What you mean is that the third kill is unaccounted for, yeah?

Could be that a town PGO is keeping things hush-hush so that they possibly take out some scum toNight when it's really needed. Anyway, we know that someone is lying about their claim regardless, because there's that third kill, and most likely a remaining mafo as well (since otherwise it's something like Vig/PGO/SK).

If town is responsible for that third kill, they should claim it.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Okay, here's what I thinking. Nabe is the last mafia, Gova is the indie, most likely a SK. I know we normally aren't supose to specualte NKs, but with everyone claimed I think it doesn't really matter anymore. I'm betting that Gova, as indie, killed Acrostic Night 1 and BSL Night 2. I don't particually know why Gova shot him, although I'm willing to bet that he was hunting scum (trying to get rid of a nk threat). I didn't check for breadcrumbs, though, so I suppose that it's a possibility that Swiss caught onto one and shot him. Otherwise I can't imagine why mafia would kill him since he was a kinda usless townie. I think the scum nk was either eaten by a roleblock or doc protect, which is what caused Swiss to spaz out about that PGO stuff. This adds on to my point about Acrostic being the indie kill.

N2 I think BSL was Gova's kill. Looking at Day 1 Gova was on BSL's case, and I think he thought he was scum. Don't ask me why he didn't kill him sooner, idk, maybe KevinM convinced him last minute of Day 1 by pointing out how usless he was that Day? In anycase I'm willing to bet that Gova simply killed whoever he thought was scum and didn't really try to hide it.

DH I think was the mafia kill either because a breadcrumb was picked up (once again didn't check) or because he was actually the most "cleared" townie in a wierd sort of way (after his back and forth with Kuz).

I know Nabe was on Swiss wagon both Days, but him not actively pursueing him, besides from his KevinM/Swiss spin ( which kinda throws a wrench in things, but I think it's something not to get hung up about too much) makes his push for Swiss seem just as convincing as Gova randomly voting for Swiss.

Now despite thinking Gova is the SK, I also still think it very possible for him to be the last mafia, so I think him going toDay is the best option anyway you look at it. Still willing to bet that he is the SK, though.

Thoughts guys?
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X1 if we lynch mafia/indy then why shouldn't I shot? If we lynch indy/mafia toDay then toMarrow we'll be in MYLO with 3 townies one mafia/indy. If I misshoot then we'll be in LYLO. Might as well take off a mafor suspect, right? In matter of fact why don't we go on and use are powers on the same person? That way they will be forced to kill me if we're right, and if we're wrong one of us will probably be dead either way now. Either way we're going into the next Day with a confirmed townie.

 

[X1-12]

if you no shoot it pretty much confirms you as not sk. Your case for nabe as last maf is weak to non-existant

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Could you please take a look at the questions Gova posed to you in 945, as well as my restatement of the question in 951? Thanks.

Addressing your post shortly.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Sword, and I'd like to hear X1's take as well, do you think it's unlikely that the SK has BP?

 

[X1-12]

also answer govas questions in his 945.

I refuse to believe there are 3 straight up killing roles in a game with 8 town, thats enough to have every single townie dead, not just endgamed but killed by N2. Wtf

 

[X1-12]

Sword, and I'd like to hear X1's take as well, do you think it's unlikely that the SK has BP?

i think its fairly likely that SK has atleast 1 shot bp.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Okay, here's what I thinking. Nabe is the last mafia, Gova is the indie, most likely a SK. I know we normally aren't supose to specualte NKs, but with everyone claimed I think it doesn't really matter anymore. I'm betting that Gova, as indie, killed Acrostic Night 1 and BSL Night 2. I don't particually know why Gova shot him, although I'm willing to bet that he was hunting scum (trying to get rid of a nk threat). I didn't check for breadcrumbs, though, so I suppose that it's a possibility that Swiss caught onto one and shot him. Otherwise I can't imagine why mafia would kill him since he was a kinda usless townie. I think the scum nk was either eaten by a roleblock or doc protect, which is what caused Swiss to spaz out about that PGO stuff. This adds on to my point about Acrostic being the indie kill.

I'm cool with this, but I think the assumption you take here is that the SK is not BP; if they are BP, I think the SK loses the motive in an Acrostic kill. Same comment to the BSL kill being placed on the SK, since you say there as well that the SK was likely hunting scum.

DH I think was the mafia kill either because a breadcrumb was picked up (once again didn't check) or because he was actually the most "cleared" townie in a wierd sort of way (after his back and forth with Kuz).

But you place me as mafia? I put some thought into Kuz and DH being scum together as a result of that argument, and said as much.

Now despite thinking Gova is the SK, I also still think it very possible for him to be the last mafia, so I think him going toDay is the best option anyway you look at it. Still willing to bet that he is the SK, though.

If Gova flipped mafia, who would you look at as an SK?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Doesn't three kills on N2, plus no CCs kind of confirm I'm legit? I think you're getting the Nich effect on me.

My case on Nabe has been establised long ago. His Day 1 play was fluffy and his Day 2 play felt a bit forced. Gheb said that he sensed genuine attempts from him, so I'm a bit more leniant on him. However, if you really want a good reason to suspect him, just use process of elimination.

You know I'm not mafia.
gova could still be mafia
Gheb and KevinM helped lynch both Kuz and Swiss. KevinM's back and forth with Swiss felt too long to be a bus. Gheb was always on Swiss'es case. You can disagree with me on this, but please take it into consideration.

Also, just for the record, I am a bit paranoid about Gheb still being alive. It's Day 3, he has been so brownie townie that I would think he would of been killed by now. However, I think that it's more likely that mafia was trying to use WIFOM, or just making bad kill choices.

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If the indie ends up dying toDay can we agree on something like my plan? If you want we can use the twilight to discuss the details of it.

If anycase if we lynch mafia then I'll not shoot.

nabe I'll get right to you next post.

 

[X1-12]

omfg this game is so gay. If town loses this I blame gboy.

 

[Gova]

Three things:

1. Why did you shoot GLG over Swiss?
2. What made you think there was an indy?
3. What do you think is the cause of the third death on N2?

Gonna make sure you see these Swords.

I respond to your post.I will say though that you are grasping at straws for those night kills. The Acrostic kill is dumb and it looks like you're just trying to pin it on me. Me killing BSL N2 is ridiculous especially since he was not on my scum list for D2 if you re-read you would know who I thought was scum that Day.

 

[Gova]

EBWOP: Delete that "I respond to your post" part. Fail deleting. Also X1's crumb/restriction is legit for anyone who hasn't read it yet.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I'm cool with this, but I think the assumption you take here is that the SK is not BP; if they are BP, I think the SK loses the motive in an Acrostic kill. Same comment to the BSL kill being placed on the SK, since you say there as well that the SK was likely hunting scum.

SK could be BP, but perhaps it's only one shot? Also, this set up is already a bit gay for town, I think it's more likely that SK isn't BP.

But you place me as mafia? I put some thought into Kuz and DH being scum together as a result of that argument, and said as much.

I don't see how this matters much.

If Gova flipped mafia, who would you look at as an SK?

Pretty much everyone but X1. I would say you and KevinM would be the biggest suspects just due to general scumminess.

Gova sorry but I got caught up in some stuff. Getting to you right now.

 

[X1-12]

you call a doc protect on n1 yet you find gheb scummy for still being alive? Also talk to me about the fact kuz makes a ridiculous amount of connections to you

@sword: be very careful when you answer this not to break any rules but in general would you send in night actions early or late? I think you are fine so long as you dont talk about any mod pms from this game. Just answer in general terms

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Okay, let's straight-up break this down.

Bed's death was done by Swords. There's no motive for him to lie, regardless of his faction. Swords, therefore, is a killing role, either vig or SK.

We can all agree that the likelihood of 3 target-killing roles in this game is silly. If there is an SK, it is reasonable to assume that it is Swords and only Swords, assuming that he is not mafia as we know from X1's claim. Therefore, our options are as follows:

• There is no SK.
• Swords is an SK.

There is no poisoner, that would be broken. No arsonist either. Our options are mafia/SK/town PGO or mafia/vig/indy PGO, putting appropriate faith in Gord's setup.

The other two kills were BSL and DH. There is a PGO, and it is town if there is an SK, and scum if there is no SK. DH's death resulted from the PGO because he is the only targeting role. A town PGO should claim if one exists, as the existence of one guarantees that an SK exists, and therefore that Swords is an SK.

Since our only SK option is Swords, BSL cannot have been the work of an SK; we know that Swords killed Bed. Since BSL was VT and cannot have targeted a PGO, we therefore know BSL to be the mafia kill of N2.

BSL - mafia
DH - PGO
Bed - Swords NK

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

This doesn't take into account the mafia having two kills, p.s. as I don't feel this is likely.

 

[Gova]

. I think the scum nk was either eaten by a roleblock or doc protect, which is what caused Swiss to spaz out about that PGO stuff. This adds on to my point about Acrostic being the indie kill.

Forgot to respond to this but Swiss' mentioned the PGO stuff D1. X1 pointed that out today as well.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Three things:

1. Why did you shoot GLG over Swiss?
2. What made you think there was an indy?
3. What do you think is the cause of the third death on N2?

1. He was deadweight, and I didn't want to take on the huge responsiblity of deciding whether or not Swiss should of went. Wanted to hear others thoughts first.
2. Three man set up is perfect for the excistance of an indie.
3. The third kill, you mean Bed? I kind of did that, dude, being the vig in all. >.>

I kinda assumed that Swiss said that Day 2, btw. XD

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

2. Three man set up is perfect for the excistance of an indie.
3. The third kill, you mean Bed? I kind of did that, dude, being the vig in all. >.>

2. Elaborate on this. What do you mean by three-man setup?
3. He means that aside from you and the mafia kill, there was a third kill.

 

[Gova]

1. He was deadweight, and I didn't want to take on the huge responsiblity of deciding whether or not Swiss should of went. Wanted to hear others thoughts first.
2. Three man set up is perfect for the excistance of an indie.
3. The third kill, you mean Bed? I kind of did that, dude, being the vig in all. >.>

I kinda assumed that Swiss said that Day 2, btw. XD

1. I find this hard to beleive especially considering you pushed for Swiss' lynch all if not most of D2. You should have saved yourself the trouble of gunning for a lynch if you thought he was scum and just night killed him especially when you had the power to do so.
2.I mean what made you think there was an indy with no NK knowing that your kill was accounted for with the flip and assuming that the mafia kill is acounted for.
3. Nice try. Your kill of Bed is accounted for, I assume the mafia kill is accounted for and it doesn't matter who it is, so how do you explain the third death?

 

[X1-12]

we meant the fact that there was 3 kills instead of 2. Also did D1 not have enough discussion of swiss?

 

[X1-12]

lol great minds ninja alike

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@X1:

Are you saying that Gheb was protected Night 1? I suppose, just pointing out stuff.
Kuz made a huge amount of connections with everyone, I really don't know what you want me to comment on. He attacked me, like he attacked everyone else who attacked him.

@Nabe:

Three should be 13.
Other kill besides mine and mafia was probably sk.

@Gova:

1. Okay, but I didn't. Sue me. Yes I thought Swiss was scum but he was doing stuff, I didn't want to kill someone who was actually doing stuff. I know that I could of been wrong so I didn't shoot him. GLG on the otherhand was just plain deadweight.
2. Only two Night kills made me think that the indie had no nk. Didn't really think about the possibilty of a doc admititly. Probably my worse mistake this game.
3. SK

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Then you believe there to be three target-killing roles in this game?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

X1, I assume that with Kuz, you refer to the possibility of Swords being Tailored N1?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Yes, I do. We had three kills Night kills night 2, and we are playing in a 13 man game.

 

[X1-12]

sold wouldn't approve a game where town could be in prisoners/LYLO on D2, which is what could easily be the case in your scenario of a vig a sk and a maf kill

 

[X1-12]

X1, I assume that with Kuz, you refer to the possibility of Swords being Tailored N1?

yeah in all of my set-up analyses ive mentioned that the last scum most likely has a PR. Ive been saying likely stalker but poss tailor.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh jeez this is getting frusterating.

Listen, X1, I don't know what to say to that, but the set up is what it is. Perhaps it was assumed to be balanced out by the existance of a town roleblocker and doc. Idk, but I'm almost certain that indie has a killing ability, after N2.

 

[X1-12]

nabe thoughts on:

maf kill, vig, full bp arsonist/poisoner or
maf kill,vig, indy JoaT?

 

[X1-12]

sword plz answer my question from earlier wrt night action sending

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I genreally send Night actions in later, so I can focus on real life stuff, and reread.

 

[X1-12]

I'm going to sleep.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

nabe thoughts on:

maf kill, vig, full bp arsonist/poisoner or
maf kill,vig, indy JoaT?

JoaT is possible, and certainly fairer than an SK. Has there been an indy JoaT on SWF ever? As for arsonist/poisoner, either coupled with vig and maf still puts us at more kills than I care to see. Arsonist wouldn't make much sense flavourwise either, I don't think.

I do have to say that the flavour tends a bit towards poisoner, with us eating buffet food to survive. But that's just an isolated coincidence if anything.

Thoughts on 975?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

actually big *** wtf. The only way sword can be SK is if:
somehow maf get 2 kills
theres a scum and 2 different indies left
someone in town is lying about thier claim
theres an uninformed PGO or some other bull****

aight, teh 2 last options are p much bull cuz they r so unlikely n dun even make sense. i dun even kno about teh 2nd option tho. liek, wut makes'ya think we got 2 indies here n how does it affect them killz?

thinkin' we got a bunch'a options on wut could'a happened:
sk could be 1 shot sk / marker hybrid ala original FFVII sephiroth
mafia may've gotten 2 kills tho. u mentioned tailor n there r more options than that. roles liek interceptor n witch can also kill undah certain conditions, u kno.
n last but ain' least non-killin' indies exist liek piper / marker, warlock n god knos wut else.

tl;dr 2 many options 2 speculate stuffz.

JoaT is possible, and certainly fairer than an SK. Has there been an indy JoaT on SWF ever?

teh better question is: y wouldnt teh indy joat claim town joat assumin' there is 1? we had a vig claim n a cop teh rest is 'nilla. if a joat wuz in teh game he woulda claimed joat u kno? cuz a joat is normally townie n if hes indy joat town joat is liek teh perfect safeclaim.

conclusion: thur ain' no joat in teh game

 

[X1-12]

K, for now I'm going to forget about set-up and just think about scum.

My biggest scum read are Sword/Gova. Since I have inno on Sword. Gova should probably go first

After them two its Kevin, he's only really below because Gheb seems to think Kev wouldn't bus like that

Nabe next. He's not really that scummy.

Gheb is town

I am town.

I'm back to feeling a Gova Lynch

Vote: Gova

L-2

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sword:

dun wanna b mean n stuff but u gotta admit dat shootin' n1 was kind'a a horrible idea, u kno? not dat its entirely ur fault but it turned out rlly anti-town n things gettin' sticky. liek, how r we supposed 2 kno u r not teh sk? u shot n1 so thur's no way 4 us 2 kno if u were forced 2 shoot or is u chose 2. if ur teh SK we may lose unless u r killed 2Night.

assumin sword is teh SK:
if we lynch mafia 2day n sk killz we got 3 town n sk left. winnable fo' town, p. realistic 2
if we lynch sk 2day n mafia killz we got 3 town n mafia left. same as above.

now here's teh deal:
if we lynch town 2 day n both sk/mafia kill we may be left with 1 town, 1 indy, 1 mafia
teh question in dat situation is how teh mod resolves endgame [usually sk endgames mafia cuz he has teh harder wincon]. in dat situation mafia would b forced 2 kill teh sk cuz hed lose othawise.

rite nao it looks liek worst case scenario fo' town n worst case scenario fo' mafia is teh same thing. ideally we can force teh mafioso 2 act 2 our ideas but we don' kno enuff 2 actually do it.

'less sum1's got a great idea

 

[X1-12]

Scum-O-Meter

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[~ Gheb ~]

unvote n tell me wud'ya think o' mah ninja [manily teh last part]

 

[X1-12]

Unvote

I'll think about it but I'm going out so can't post right now. Hopefully a brillaint idea will come to be over burritos with my bro