Youtube Memes Mafia Game Over! Town... WINS :D lolwut end scum win streak B****EZ!!!

[X1-12]

Standard PGO is bulletproof because they shoot everyone who visits them before they are affected by any actions

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Okay, in that case I definitely doubt it. Indie PGO actually sounds overpowered. I mean, I can understand why a mod would make things easier on the indie role, as it's already hard enough as it is for the indie, but that almost makes it sound too easy for the indie. I mean, the only way for that role too lose is to be lynched, and with no connections to anyone else that would be unlikely until endgame. I don't like the thought of there being a role that is basically guaranteed admission into endgame.

@X1: Is this relevant?

 

[X1-12]

speculating mainly, and just wondering why this set-up is so damn anti-town. We started at probably 3v1v9 and after 2 scum lynches we are at 4v1v1. If you group anti-town together then we've actually gone from 9/13 (0.69) to 4/6 (0.66) which is hardly better.

 

[X1-12]

@Nabe: explain as thoroughly as you can why you felt D1 had to be definitely a Swiss or X1 lynch

 

[X1-12]

wrt: PGO

And what if you were a paranoid gun owner, X1? Or some other anti-visiting role.

You're practically begging doc and as such watcher and other roles to visit you. You could kill every single person that visits you.

IF mafia were stopped by Doc protect D1 it might lead Swiss to say this to explain the 2 deaths

@Gheeb: have you been re-reading at all?

 

[X1-12]

^scratch that above point, he said that during D1 still

 

[X1-12]

I hear you bro.. eh idk, I'm gonna have to re-read real bad.

Descending order of scum

Gova/Sworddancer
Kevin (only here because gheb implied he wouldn't bus SwissGodfather)


Vote: Gova

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Gheeb: have you been re-reading at all?

ya, been mainly rereadin' d1 cuz i feel liek i still remembah most of d2. wut stuck out 2 meh on d1 was teh switch of momentum from swiss 2 kuz. since teh majority went from swiss 2 kuz i can c a bus happenin' because most ppl were behind it. n swiss was gf so theyd rathah bus some1 else. thatll make scumhuntin' a bit difficult 2day cuz we HAVE 2 consider a bus nao n with 3 kills an indy seems likely too. perfectly possible 4 both scumbax to b on a scum lynch [tho i still doubt they'd bus teh gf, spcecially with no cop flip yet].

dats teh main nu conclusion i got from teh reread. wudd'ya think?

 

[X1-12]

ya, been mainly rereadin' d1 cuz i feel liek i still remembah most of d2. wut stuck out 2 meh on d1 was teh switch of momentum from swiss 2 kuz. since teh majority went from swiss 2 kuz i can c a bus happenin' because most ppl were behind it. n swiss was gf so theyd rathah bus some1 else. thatll make scumhuntin' a bit difficult 2day cuz we HAVE 2 consider a bus nao n with 3 kills an indy seems likely too. perfectly possible 4 both scumbax to b on a scum lynch [tho i still doubt they'd bus teh gf, spcecially with no cop flip yet].

dats teh main nu conclusion i got from teh reread. wudd'ya think?

I hear what your saying and when I was re-reading I was purposely ignoring any posts Swiss said because I know what he is like and I know he always makes fake connections as scum. I see loadsa connections where kuz is talking about Sworddancer but to me it just seems way to much na mean? like it was forced cause Swiss told him to? that's the main reason I'm voting Gova right now instead of Sword.

Thing is I think I could clear a whole buncha people - like up to 3 or maybe even 4 but it would involve massclaiming and outing all PRs

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

u should elab on both, kev.

i dun c how roleclaimin' is in order. i actualy pointed out y we shouldn't do it fo' nao n unless u gonna tell us what good itll do imma hold dat against u cuz its potentially harmful fos kevin

n i just established dat we should jus' hunt scum regardless of teh difference between mafia n indy n liek every1 agreed. so idk who teh ppl r u dont "liek". teh accusation dont even belong in dat situation, u kno?

You serious?

The difference between hunting scum and what's going on now is that people are elaborating on the setup and speculating over the indy. A little of this is fine, but 9 times out of 10, I would call this a scumtell. This is the 1/10 now, since everyone doing it makes it a group effort and null, but it's still not helping anything.

Mafia loves indies because it's an excuse to scumhunt. Check out Zen in FF6 for this, he tunneled M-K with a fantastic indy read. M-K was indy, but part of why Zen was so sure on his read was that he was mafia and knew M-K wasn't.

That there's any suspicion still on Kev after what would have to be a mad double-bus is a bit silly, at least in D3 when there are better leads.

@Nabe: explain as thoroughly as you can why you felt D1 had to be definitely a Swiss or X1 lynch

At work right now and a late Christmas dinner later, so I'll elaborate a bit tomorrow, but the short story is that you were claiming sane cop with a result on Swiss.

I like my math; take FF6 when DH's mixup led me to my game-losing plan. It not being a lie sets up the Swiss/X1 duality and makes one of the two of you scum, and I love situations like that. Both your actions could be factored in; Swiss ignoring my request to claim, you being ambiguous in D2, but at the end of the day it's the math that matters to me.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

The difference between hunting scum and what's going on now is that people are elaborating on the setup and speculating over the indy. A little of this is fine, but 9 times out of 10, I would call this a scumtell. This is the 1/10 now, since everyone doing it makes it a group effort and null, but it's still not helping anything.

lol? 2 meh it seems liek ppl r doin' teh exact opposite. i mean yea we got sum' talkin' about an assumed indy goin' but we all agreed that we should NOT focus on him but jus' b huntin' scum liek we r supposed 2 do. i dun c teh issue if we all agree on it? teh moar u keep it teh center of discussion teh more u make a big deal outa it - which I'm sure ud agree aint teh way 2 go, rite? so lets just agree 2 agree that we r huntin' scum n dat's dat, k?

Mafia loves indies because it's an excuse to scumhunt. Check out Zen in FF6 for this, he tunneled M-K with a fantastic indy read. M-K was indy, but part of why Zen was so sure on his read was that he was mafia and knew M-K wasn't.

cool story, bro. its kinda old nus tho. indy huntin' as a scum tactic is liek teh oldest thing evah here.

 

[X1-12]

Thing is I think I could clear a whole buncha people - like up to 3 or maybe even 4 but it would involve massclaiming and outing all PRs

Ghebbycakes?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

havent made mah mind up yet.

 

[KevinM]

I would be up for it however I want to through out my two lynch picks.

I am so confident that I have it pegged so pay attention please.

1. Gheb: Two to three things irk me about him and have to the point that I've been thinking about it all day. 1. The comment about possibly using a day to indie hunt and look for that lynch, I know Gheb being a good player should realize how horrible of an idea that is.

2. This one is important! Gheb yesterday was trying very hard to get bed lynched over Swiss, to the point that he was trying to start a opposite wagon with less then 48 hours of the deadline left in the game.

Realizing that if Bed was lynched and flipped town, town would rather lynch me then swiss it was the perfect scum play, considering no one would question the lynching of the at that point awful play of Bed, and with the backing of more people wanting to lynch me over Swiss it seems awfully convenient that the intelligent Gheb would continue to ignore the X1/Swiss connection and try and swing a different lynch.


3. The shootdown of the role claim. With six players, and the doc now dead, we have no reason not to role claim. Sorry but even besides the fact that I am vanilla people should realize that at this point power roles are not the focus of the game, it's logical scumhunting. Worth noting that he would try and play this off like an antitown move.

Very confident something suspicious is going on with Gheb.

Lesser person to notice.

common tell of mafia is the Aw shucks tell or exactly what Swords did at the beginning of toDay.


Vote Gheb

 

[X1-12]

butgheb'sscumplayiseasilydistinguishablefromhistownplayandthisishistownplay..


Kev have you ever played with Gheb before? with him as both factions?

 

[KevinM]

I ignore meta and don't get comfortable judging passed off such passe ideals.

Yes I have played with Gheb before, Idr or care what sides he was on because of the aforementioned statement.

Clearing through meta is a bad idea.

 

[KevinM]

in fact do me a favor ignore the meta of the game and make an argument based off the logic of the argument presented infront of you.

If you can find solid empirical or even a good solid train of thought on why it should just be passed on then I will be interested.

 

[X1-12]

I'm only countering points against gheb to prove a point really.

1. Gheb: Two to three things irk me about him and have to the point that I've been thinking about it all day. 1. The comment about possibly using a day to indie hunt and look for that lynch, I know Gheb being a good player should realize how horrible of an idea that is.

At this point its likely indy and scum are both 1 man factions with a kill, we should take either of these lynches. I don't blame him for not looking for connections from Swiss though since he's a devious ******.

2. This one is important! Gheb yesterday was trying very hard to get bed lynched over Swiss, to the point that he was trying to start a opposite wagon with less then 48 hours of the deadline left in the game.

Realizing that if Bed was lynched and flipped town, town would rather lynch me then swiss it was the perfect scum play, considering no one would question the lynching of the at that point awful play of Bed, and with the backing of more people wanting to lynch me over Swiss it seems awfully convenient that the intelligent Gheb would continue to ignore the X1/Swiss connection and try and swing a different lynch.

Well my cop claim was proof to being a lie, there wasn't that much on Swiss and Sir B was scummy as hell, many people had said they would take a Sir B lynch. Anyway, we ignored the X1/Swiss D1 and that helped us a lot didn't it?

3. The shootdown of the role claim. With six players, and the doc now dead, we have no reason not to role claim. Sorry but even besides the fact that I am vanilla people should realize that at this point power roles are not the focus of the game, it's logical scumhunting. Worth noting that he would try and play this off like an antitown move.

Or its possible that Gheb has a PR? which tbh I suspected since the start when he was postin liek dat, na mean bra?

Have you really seen anything suspicious with Gheb on previous Days? have you at any point seen anti-town intent in his posts?

Perhaps what I am saying is baised since I have pretty much known Gheb was town on meta since D1, but nonetheless a Gheb lynch will not go through toDay

 

[X1-12]

I am now infact Pro-MassClaim, but what to hear what Gheb says about it. Either way no-one claim yet, if we do a massclaim then we'll do the whole ordering shenanigans where each player says who they want claims from then we add up to decide a claiming order

 

[X1-12]

hey gova i seen u online y aint u postin?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

KevinM's case is interesting, but in Gheb's defense I'll like to point out that Gheb switched his vote back to Swiss when I asked him to. I imagine that he didn't have to do this if he were scum.

common tell of mafia is the Aw shucks tell or exactly what Swords did at the beginning of toDay.

Still the worst tell ever.

 

[KevinM]

Still the worst thing to do ever.

Why bother saying it, if you're town you know it sucks.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

kev's "case" on meh aint nothin' but allegations. he's ignorin' teh meta on purpose cuz im particularily known fo' bussin anybody whenevah i please, which would discredit his case. nugguh is bein' salty cuz he cant take how im underminin' his "authority" all game but he aint got nothin' 2 back his case up [notice how there aint no quotes?]. in fact most all of them accusations r wrong.

1. i nevah proposed 2 focus on teh indy. on teh contrary, i p. much established that we should go aftah scum regardless of teh alignment but i nevah said we should go aftah teh indy. if anything i said that we should focus on teh last mafioso [got quotes on that if needed] but nevah teh indy.

2. i nevah shot down teh role-claim eithah. jus' b4 ur post i CLEARLY stated dat imma think about it. skim much? yea i fosed u but dat was cuz u posted no reason on y mass-claimin' is "mandatory" toDay - n teh idea is potentially harmful [nevah said its a bad idea per se]. if attakin' is teh best defense ur bein awfully defensive nao, broski.

3. im sorry id rathah go aftah playahs i got somethin' concrete goin' against. kinda ridic how u try 2 turn dat against meh specially since we had no concrete accusation @ swiss. if anything ur baseless push vs him can b seen as a bus. u nevah bothered 2 say anything concrete on y hes scum and just hid behind x1's claim [which we kno nao is fake].

 

[~ Gheb ~]

regarding' teh mass-claim i guess imma go with it. with 2 mafiosi dead i guess i overrated how important teh c0p is gonna b, specially since he only has 2 results @ best n we had hella NKs. guess we won't lose too much by outin' him assumin' he's out thur.

so yeah i guess dats how we r doin' it.

gova
kevmo
nabe

is teh order i wanna hear dem claims

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Okay, I think that we should be massclaiming today. Any objections?

How should we do this? I'm thinking about using the system we used in Community mafia, but if anyone else has any other ideas let me know.

 

[X1-12]

gova
sworddancer
nabe

btw guys kev already claimed david after dentist vt

also ppl when its your time to claim make sure you char claim too.

And callin it now gova last maf hes now lost cause his scumbuddies arent tellin him what to do

 

[X1-12]

Okay, I think that we should be massclaiming today. Any objections?

How should we do this? I'm thinking about using the system we used in Community mafia, but if anyone else has any other ideas let me know.

list in order the people you want claims from, like me and gheb just did

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@KevinM: I make a lot of pointless observations. Don't make much of it.

Gova
Nabe
Gheb

Are we assigning point values to the order of claiming?

 

[X1-12]

yah i'll run through and do the math once everyone has done their list

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

And callin it now gova last maf hes now lost cause his scumbuddies arent tellin him what to do

This would certainly explain his recent interactiveness, which is as of now even more extreme than it was previously.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

rereading right now. I will like to point this out now. From Swiss'es 126:

Gova is icky because he deflected attention away from my wagon. He wants me as an ally (#61). Note how he doesn't vote X1, this would be too obvious. When Gova flips scum, remember I said this. Leave him for now. If X1 flips scum, definitely lynch Gova.

I don't recall Swiss attacking Gova again. Anyone else think this might be a bus?

Also note that he attacked Kuz and BSL in the same post, just for the record.

Back to rereading.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Actually nevermind, Swiss attacked Gova again in his 165. My bad, I'm just pointing out stuff as I go.

@ Gova. So that was the right quote.

You called X1's push on me 'trolling' - deflecting attention away from me and my wagon, seemed pointless - might as well let me get pressured. The rest is pure speculation, and with my actual lynch a real possibility I'll point out that X1's scum flip does not actually implicate you.

I do think this is suspicious though how Swiss set it up so that Gova would be the one to be lynched ONLY if X1 flipped scum (and I definitely don't think X1 is scum at this point).

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Vote: Gova

The above is a great find, Swordsy. Gheb is town and I don't think Kev is mafia, and neither is a play toDay in the slightest. Gova needs to go.

Gova
Swords
Gheb

X1 claims last.

 

[X1-12]

He's L-2 so no more till we get this whole claiming thing done

 

[Gova]

Actually nevermind, Swiss attacked Gova again in his 165. My bad, I'm just pointing out stuff as I go.




I do think this is suspicious though how Swiss set it up so that Gova would be the one to be lynched ONLY if X1 flipped scum (and I definitely don't think X1 is scum at this point).

Did you read those quotes correctly? In the first quote he sets me up as scum if X1 flips scum but I called him out on that. In the second quote he goes back to the SAME post I made and tries to still make it look like I'm scum but this time he changes it so that X1's flip doesn't implicate me which means I could still be scum regardless of X1's flip. The first scenario only gives him 1 mislynch since he would know if X1 would flip scum or not, where-as the second gives him 2.

Order of claims for me:

Sword
Nabe
Gheb
X1

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Order of claims for me:

Sword
Nabe
Gheb
X1

Can I ask you, since you're sitting L-2, where you'd place your own claim in that list?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Yes, I misread it. Not taking suspicion back on you, though.

 

[X1-12]

Gova you are 5 points clear so if you are on before Kev posts you should still claim since whatever he picks you'll be top. Full Claim which means char and role

 

[Gova]

I am Denny Blaze aka the Average Homeboy, Vanilla Townie.

 

[KevinM]

Gheb is proving that he has not been reading the game by putting me in the order for mass claims considering I claimed on D2.

Still claiming David After Dentist, Vanilla Townie. Wish he would pay attention instead of just being hella bad.