Youtube Memes Mafia Game Over! Town... WINS :D lolwut end scum win streak B****EZ!!!

[#HBC | Dancer]

Ouch. Town took quite a hit last Night.

Anyways, now would be a good time I guess to go over everyone:

KevinM-Probably not mafia, might be indie
Gheb-Probably not mafia, might be indie
X1-Probably not mafia, might be indie
Gova-might be either mafia or indie
Nabe-might be either mafia or indie

This is confusing. I looked over Nabes voting records last Night and I saw that he was on the ball for the most part with being on the correct bandwagons. Perhaps a bit too perfect of a record, though? I guess you could say that about anyone, but taking into account that he's more newbish than most of us, it definitly makes him more suspicious.

Also still holding it against him that his Day 1 was pretty bad.

I like how gova voted Swiss when I asked him to, also when taking into consideration if he didn't have to if he was scum. Could still be a newbie scum mistake though I suppose. I don't know his voting record (didn't look into it) and I definitly should.

X1, gheb, and KevinM I honestly don't think are scum after how many successful bandwagons they have been on. Still leaves them open for being indie. Don't think either of them should go toDay.

I'm also going to assume that we have one indie (probably a sk), and one scum. Doesn't really matter which one we lynch toDay since we'll be getting rid of one town threat either way, but I'll imagine that lynching the last mafia will be easier due to possible connections.

Not going to vote right now. I have to reread, specifically looking over Gova.

Just a random thought of the set up that doesn't really matter:

I think Gboy set this set so that there are a lot of killing roles (bad for town) and decided that balance this out by giving town a **** load of power roles. Seriously, a medium, a town roleblocker, a doc, a cop (assuming there is a cop after Swiss'es flip of Godfather), and a vig. Now take into account that there are probably only 9 townies, and do the math. More than half the townies got power roles. Holy crap.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@Nabe & Gova: What do you guys make of the nks?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

This is confusing. I looked over Nabes voting records last Night and I saw that he was on the ball for the most part with being on the correct bandwagons. Perhaps a bit too perfect of a record, though? I guess you could say that about anyone, but taking into account that he's more newbish than most of us, it definitly makes him more suspicious.

Could you elaborate on the bolded? As for the italicized, what makes you say that?

@Nabe & Gova: What do you guys make of the nks?

Bed is probably a town kill, a 1-shot who thought he had the last scum. The other two are very safe, neutral. I can't imagine scum was actively searching out the doc and decided on DH. That was most likely blind luck.

Bed is the only readable kill IMO, but we shouldn't speculate on who it was. Let's move away from the flips, please.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Ahaha. When I say the italicized, I mean "he's more newbish than most of us".

 

[BSL]

i knew i would die...

go town!

 

[Gova]

This is confusing. I looked over Nabes voting records last Night and I saw that he was on the ball for the most part with being on the correct bandwagons. Perhaps a bit too perfect of a record, though? I guess you could say that about anyone, but taking into account that he's more newbish than most of us, it definitly makes him more suspicious.
Also still holding it against him that his Day 1 was pretty bad.

I like how gova voted Swiss when I asked him to, also when taking into consideration if he didn't have to if he was scum. Could still be a newbie scum mistake though I suppose. I don't know his voting record (didn't look into it) and I definitly should.

X1, gheb, and KevinM I honestly don't think are scum after how many successful bandwagons they have been on. Still leaves them open for being indie. Don't think either of them should go toDay.
I'm also going to assume that we have one indie (probably a sk), and one scum. Doesn't really matter which one we lynch toDay since we'll be getting rid of one town threat either way, but I'll imagine that lynching the last mafia will be easier due to possible connections.

Not going to vote right now. I have to reread, specifically looking over Gova.

Gonna go ahead and expand on Nabe's question with respect to the bolded. Nabe has only been on one wagon, that being Swiss' so why is his wagoning "too perfect" compared to the others? Nabe is 1/1 while X1, Gheb, and Kev are 2/2. What separates Nabe from them?

Also gonna go ahead and save you the leg work of finding my voting history. D1 I voted BSL because I was skeptical of X1's claim. Gord didn't see it so it never got counted but I didn't vote anyone else the rest of the day. D2 I voted Swiss when you asked me to.

As for the night kills, I think its probably due to 1 maf, 1 SK, and a 1 shot vig like X1 suggested. I'm not sure which is responsible for each death though.

 

[X1-12]

if i had to call it now then I'd say sword was the SK

 

[X1-12]

toDay its almost certainly between sword/gova/kev.

@Nabe: if you dont deliver toDay or toMorrow... Lets just say it wont end well for you.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Actually nevermind guys, the point about Nabe being "too successful" is hella bad, not to mention just flat out wrong (could of sworn I saw Nabe on Kuz's wagon).

I kinda now realize that, if Nabe were on both successful bandwagons it were still more likely than not make him townie (newbie or not). Since he was only on one, that actually makes him more suspicious, since that makes it so that it was more likely a bus.

Don't like to think though Nabe would tunnel a scummate like that both Days so far. I have to take that into consideration.

However, there was one aspect which I forgot to mention that I think really does seperate you from everyone else (suspicion wise), and this will kinda also answers Gova's question. IIRC, I don't really remember Nabe actively pushing all that hard for Swiss, who he wagoned. Kinda big tell there were you just wagon scum but don't really push as well (yes, I could be wrong about this, still need to do that reread).

@X1: So, I know that what you did by fake claiming N0 was successful and all, but could you still go on and explain what you were doing? Were you really doing it just for the reads it provided?

Will reread tomorrow. It's Christmas today!

 

[X1-12]

lol@me having to explain myself.

Btw i just double-bussed, problem?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

It would help clear the air of all ambiguity, especially if ambiguity isn't necessary anymore.

Btw i just double-bussed, problem?

Who do you think you are, Swiss?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Actually nevermind guys, the point about Nabe being "too successful" is hella bad, not to mention just flat out wrong (could of sworn I saw Nabe on Kuz's wagon).

I kinda now realize that, if Nabe were on both successful bandwagons it were still more likely than not make him townie (newbie or not). Since he was only on one, that actually makes him more suspicious, since that makes it so that it was more likely a bus.

'kay, thanks for the clarification. Again though, could you explain why you think I'm so "newbish"? Is that a judgment on my play, or do you mean because I'm newer to SWF?

However, there was one aspect which I forgot to mention that I think really does seperate you from everyone else (suspicion wise), and this will kinda also answers Gova's question. IIRC, I don't really remember Nabe actively pushing all that hard for Swiss, who he wagoned. Kinda big tell there were you just wagon scum but don't really push as well (yes, I could be wrong about this, still need to do that reread).

Agreed on this, the kid looks scummy.

In my defense, I made a case on Swiss D1. D2, I promised a dual case on Swiss/Kev, but only got to the Kev side of things because at that point, they got at each other's throats and it was obvious that Swiss/Kev wasn't at all likely.

@X1: again, why Kev? And what leads you to SK!Sword?

 

[KevinM]

I will literally blow my ****ing brains out if I'm considered for any more lynches in this game.

Let's think about this.

X1 bussing the godfather is highly unlikely and I don't feel like looking in that direction today.

Gheb is a possibility to look at, considering he was diverting attention from Swiss yesterday and trying to push Bed when we had the Swiss ez ***n game.

Gova, who is this guy?

Nabe... Not really sure on this one I want to say he's our indie, kid hasn't really had a solid stance on a scum member all day and had a REALLY reaching case from yesterday.

Swords, I like him around right now.

 

[KevinM]

you gaiz

@Swiss: Dump, tell us everything

1. X1-12
2. DarkHorse
3. GhEEb
4. KevinM
6. Gova
7. Swiss
8. SwordDancer
9. Nabe
12. BSL
13. Sir Bedevere


@ALL: Ignore everything Swiss says unless he flips town.

@Gheb, no I'm not an indy

town
town
town
scum
indie
me
scummish
town
town
town

Probably.

Would also like to point out this is a probably a good place to look at who he might be protecting as well as to further prove that as scum he was trying to swing the lynch on me to the very end of the day.

Should absolutely be no question on me, and I will be literally pissed off if town ****s around like it did yesterday. We need to be active we need to use this list and we have a **** ton of information to use today.

That's right i'm not clarifying information suck it swiss.

 

[X1-12]

Don't listen to anything Swiss said.

Really, don't. Nothing from him.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

1. X1-12- (0)

3. Gheb_01- (0)

4. KevinM- (0)

6. Gova- (0)

8. SwordDancer- (0)

9. Nabe- (0)

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is January 3rd, 3:30 PM Est.

 

[KevinM]

Don't listen to anything Swiss said.

Really, don't. Nothing from him.

I still think there is merit in seeing who he was interested in protecting and who he was trying to get killed, as well as his speculation on indie since mafia will actively hunt indies to appear town

 

[~ Gheb ~]

so u think swiss callin' gova indie is a genuine tell? dat's prolly tru but tbh i kinda think its teh only tell we can take @face value, rite?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

so aftah readin' thru gova's posts [or teh lack thereof] ... i can kinda c him as indie.

question is: wanna speculate n lynch him or go 4 mafia instead?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@Nabe: I mean that you are more newish to SWF (unless you have other mafia experiance elsewhere, if you do feel free to tell. If you already mentioned it then I apolize but I haven't reread yet).

@Gheb: It doesn't really matter, either way we're getting rid of an anti-townie. I say we just go with the whoever we're feeling more confident about being anti-town.

Also, what makes Gova indie specifically? I honestly only played with an indie once before and that was long ago, so I don't really know about indie "tells". I would imagine that they would look as townie as anyone else (as opposed to mafia, since links can be formed in between them).

 

[X1-12]

x1, do u think kev woulda bussed liek dat?

m i teh only 1 who kinda feelz liek we kno 2 little about gova? n i cant make up mah mind about sword n nabe eithah [tho im leanin' town in sword's case] but i think teh play toDay is btween one of 'em. x1 is p much clear 2 meh n i think we shouldnt lynch kevmo toDay.

gotta reread tho. 3 of mah main suspects got killed 2night n i need 2 get a bettah idea where 2 go 2 nao

Well yes, I thought he would until you asked me that. I am k with Kev not dying today if you're thinking like this

@X1: again, why Kev? And what leads you to SK!Sword?

The only game I've read with scumkev was BIM2 where he was lurky as hell, and afterwards everyone was like oh you must lynch kev if he lurks thats what he does as scum don'cherknow. SKSword because I see scumminess there but his interaction with Swiss was too obvious and I don't think they're together, I've hydrad with Sword in a scumteam with Swiss so I think I have fairly good meta. (Halo Mafia)

so aftah readin' thru gova's posts [or teh lack thereof] ... i can kinda c him as indie.

question is: wanna speculate n lynch him or go 4 mafia instead?

I'll take gova lynch toDay, probably.

I still think there is merit in seeing who he was interested in protecting and who he was trying to get killed, as well as his speculation on indie since mafia will actively hunt indies to appear town

Swiss knew he was going to die and loves wifom, he also loves messing with your head. Even if he knew 100% who the indy was I wouldn't trust him to tell us. I completely refuse to even consider any of the tells he says with the exception of the indy call, which I will consider, but take very lightly.

 

[X1-12]

I also have something else to claim. I am not Cop (lol) I do have special information in my role PM. The Grape Lady (definitely the lady from that video, the link is given too) is in this game and is Town-aligned. I have another piece of information but I don't feel the need to reveal it now. I think it would help scumhunting if the grape lady claimed, but not claim role. I want to know what others think of this though

 

[X1-12]

Hahaha. It's all good mangs. I'll assume Kevin ninja edited in the last line though, just cuz I do that all the time haha. K guys stfu .

OBYTHEWAY if you guys are gonna decide not to perform a Night action, please tell me that you don't wanna send in one.

Bit of Mod-Meta here. This heavily implies someone didn't use their action N1, which backs up the theory of a 1 shot vig. Atleast a vig which would make sense for a killing role to send no kill.

I find it highly likely the set-up is like this:

Mafia Godfather -Swiss
Mafia PR (likely stalker, possibly like tailor or something)
Mafia Goon - kuz

Indy SK

Town Medium - GLG
Town Doc - DH
Town roleblocker - Acrostic
Town Cop/tracker (hence godfather)
Town Vig/JoaT
VT - Sir Bed
VT - BSL
VT
VT


With the amount of kills out there its pretty likely theres a 1 shot BP or something out there, or the vig is a JoaT and has a doc protect.

This leaves unflipped:

Mafia, likely a PR
SK

Cop/tracker
Vig
VT
VT


Here's who I think the town PRs are:

Spoiler

LOL no I'm not helping you out scummais

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe: I mean that you are more newish to SWF (unless you have other mafia experiance elsewhere, if you do feel free to tell. If you already mentioned it then I apolize but I haven't reread yet).

Haven't mentioned it here, no. I've probably played like 20-30 games?

@Grape Lady, I feel that they should probably not claim yet. It would be better saved to late-game, when X1 might be gone and we'll know that they are a clear. Outing them now means they're killable right away.

 

[X1-12]

a grape lady claim, a cop claim, and a vig claim leaves 3 clears, providing no CCs.

Just something to think about

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Lol, then I definitly take back my point about you being a newbie, which I guess you're not. I kinda just assume new SWF mafia players = newbies. Still think you're suspicious for reasons stated.

I'm all up for claiming, if it really would clear half the players left. I'm kinda worried that we will end up clearing players that all already on most townie lists, but I still think the pros outweigh the cons given our situation.

Also, if we do claim, I say we vote on who claims first.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also, what makes Gova indie specifically? I honestly only played with an indie once before and that was long ago, so I don't really know about indie "tells". I would imagine that they would look as townie as anyone else (as opposed to mafia, since links can be formed in between them).

its cuz of teh remainin' ppl gova has liek no connections to most ppl here n hasnt been postin' a lot 2 begin with. indie huntin' is always kinda dum but im thinkin' indies have teh hardest time getting connections cuz they cant risk a lot [they r typically alone] so wagon-hoppin' can backfire. im thinkin' gova has been playin kinda passive n reactive which reflects teh ideal play 4 indie.

I also have something else to claim. I am not Cop (lol) I do have special information in my role PM. The Grape Lady (definitely the lady from that video, the link is given too) is in this game and is Town-aligned. I have another piece of information but I don't feel the need to reveal it now. I think it would help scumhunting if the grape lady claimed, but not claim role. I want to know what others think of this though

teh info u give us is kinda vague but unless there r no risks i dont c a problem.

im just wonderin' if claimin' rite nao will do us any good in teh first place. liek, we already lynched 2 scumbax n i kinda feel liek we r not in teh position 2 take chances. we got 1 mafioso left at worst n he faces a 1 vs 5 opposition and teh sam holds tru 4 teh assumed indy.
n id liek 2 add dat teh cop is still alive so scum dont kno who teh cop is. dun wanna give 'em teh slightest clue on who it could b, u kno? would prefer if we r keepin' dat 2 ourselves 4 nao, k?

 

[X1-12]

I dig ya

 

[KevinM]

Ok thinking two things.

One, Role claims are in order.

Two, really don't like the people comfortable with searching for an indie over searching for the last scummer.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

u should elab on both, kev.

i dun c how roleclaimin' is in order. i actualy pointed out y we shouldn't do it fo' nao n unless u gonna tell us what good itll do imma hold dat against u cuz its potentially harmful fos kevin

n i just established dat we should jus' hunt scum regardless of teh difference between mafia n indy n liek every1 agreed. so idk who teh ppl r u dont "liek". teh accusation dont even belong in dat situation, u kno?

 

[Gova]

I'm for the role/char claim.

@Gheb

I see it like this, there are 2 NK's and assuming we mislynch and worst case scenario, D4 will look like 1v1v1 which is impossible for town to win unless the SK and mafia target each other. We need to lynch scum today so that town can go into D4 with 3v1.

That's why we need to clear people today imo.

 

[X1-12]

don't claim for now..

re-reading now btw

 

[X1-12]

what do you gaiz think of the PGO possibility?

 

[Gova]

As an indy or as town?

 

[X1-12]

idk, why don't you tell us your alignment

 

[Gova]

I'm town and I asked because I don't know what alignment PGO's usually are. I was curious because I was an indy PGO in one of your aim mafia set-ups.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I'm honestly still up for claiming and think it would be a great idea at this point.

Vig sounds more likely at this point. I guess a PGO is a possibility, but I doubt it simply due to the fact that PGO is rarer than vig (I'm assuming your throwing out the idea that we have a PGO in place of a vig). Going have to say though that I can see why a PGO might work in this set up, so it's definitely a possibility that I would rule out.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I hate it when I make tiny little mistakes:

I'm honestly still up for claiming and think it would be a great idea at this point.

Vig sounds more likely at this point. I guess a PGO is a possibility, but I doubt it simply due to the fact that PGO is rarer than vig (I'm assuming your throwing out the idea that we have a PGO in place of a vig). Going have to say though that I can see why a PGO might work in this set up, so it's definitely a possibility that I wouldn't rule out.

would became wouldn't

 

[X1-12]

what about PGO in place of SK

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Wait, just to clarify something, PGO is immune to nks, right? Or is that another thing which the mod may takes liability with?