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#HBC | Dancer

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Okay.

Bed, could you give some examples of Kevin bussing Kuz? I would really like to see these, but do not feel like reading back through the whole thread for them. >.>

Also wtf @ "it's even possible that his scumbuddy told him to chainsaw Swiss" line? I mean, yeah, I suppose so, but you could say that about ANY action Kuz made towards anyone. I'll say occam's razor requires us not to be making bold leaps like that.
 

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Oh no, I'm not saying that DEFINITELY happened (the chainsaw thing), or even that it was likely; I'm only saying it COULD have happened, which in turn, makes the reasons people think Swiss is scum because of his relationship to kuz weaker than that of Kevin.

Kevin DEFINITELY did some things that COULD be interpreted as bussing and distancing, and since he was in complete control of those actions, we know that, if we can determine that Kevin knew kuz was scum without good reason, Kevin is scum.

However, kuz was the one who DEFINITELY did things that COULD be interpreted as chainsawing Swiss, and since it was KUZ who was in control of those actions, we can only know that kuz was doing those actions from a scum angle. We can't tell if that was because Swiss is his scumbuddy and he was defending Swiss, or Kevin or someone else is his scumbuddy and told him to chainsaw Swiss to make him look scummy, or something else like that. If we're going to compare, side-by-side, the relationship between Swiss and Kevin, then Kevin's relationship is one that is more likely to be scummy than Swiss'.

Getting the quotes now, just wanted to post my response to that.
 

#HBC | Nabe

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If you feel like I need more stances or w/e, pressure me into them. >.> A large part of why I haven't been doing much this game is it was lylo in another game and I needed to spare more attention to it (and I was the one making gigantic page-stretching walls), but I can focus on just this game now. And with the Christmas Break upon me and nothing to do, I WILL be more active, promise. /johns
Emphasis is mine.

The johns are one thing, anybody can see you were legitimately busy. The bolded irks me, however. Entirely unnecessary statement given the validity of the johns and feels quite a lot like putting blame on the town, which is wack.
 

#HBC | Nabe

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You were strong on Gova until BSL switched his vote to you and Kevin put pressure on in his 754-55. Then you voted Kevin, and it feels like a flop. Waiting for your Kev quotes in earnest, because Kev v. Bed seems to have actual ground to stand on now.
 

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^People are suggesting lynching me when they're not even asking me questions or pressuring me, or even explaining why I'm scummy (aside from inactivity, which I'm not alone on). :/ BSL switched his vote to me last page with barely any reason as to why, lol. If you're saying me "blaming the town" is scummy, then OK, but I am; we are now deciding between the lynch of two people I feel are both town, and both my suggestions for alternatives went unheard (yes yes no time blah blah). I don't like the position we're in.

I still think Gova is scummy and a better lynch; it's just no one else does and is ignoring everything I'm saying about anyone that isn't Kevin or Swiss, and I'm now being forced to choose between the two. Haha, I've been flopping on my stances a lot this game, and it's unfortunate the ones I feel more strongly about are the only people who seem to be able to get lynched toDay.

[collapse=bussy posts]
Still really don't like the game you're playing IGMEOY for newer players that means "I got my eye on you"



Hey I don't know if you've realized but we're out of the RVS and if you'd like to try and add things of substance that would be helpful, you're one of the better players here and you've only given a synapsis of the game.



Are you able to communicate with Swiss outside of the thread?
^click the link to the post and look at the 2nd paragraph in green in the quote

Is anyone else confused by Kuz asking if someones quick topic is working ok?

Gheb I am completely fine with lynching X1 no alternatives if Swiss flipped town.

I also think if Swiss flips scum Kuz is someone I would want to look at as well as BSL.
Nabe can you bounce around anymore, starting to think we might have found our scum here.

I don't think people are waiting on me to post I think activity has just lulled.

Anyways you just said you were fine with Kuz's lynch why are you now fine for a Swiss lynch?

With the fact that X1 seems to be lying about his role multiple times and the fact that after three rereads I saw him say he would be investigating people tonight on multiple occasions I feel Swiss is no longer the proper play today.

I also don't necessarily feel we should lynch X1 today either.

Fine with Kuz or Nabe going today

seems like dead weight.

Would rather go Nabe, but if that can't get rolling we absolutely need to lynch someone by deadline or fail town is already handing this game away.
LOL You guys would rather lynch me for going afk for 3 days then people that are genuinly scummy?

I don't care if you guys think I'm playing my generic scum game, I'm not so you guys can either push the wrong wagon or we can start playing this game.

WE CANNOT NO LYNCH.

It's the day before deadline.

Nabe/Kuz/X-1 in that order of importance.

Nabe hasn't been helpful and he's tossing around a few lynches as if he's been around them from the beginning.

Kuz is just being genuinely bad as a player and those are people I really don't feel like having around for end game.

X-1 has flopped on his role multiple times in this game.

You guys would vote for me because after going throw my exams I finally had time to post but because I posted now I was clearly stalling. Nice DIYDDIYD guys.
Unvote, Vote Kuz

He is officially at L-1.

Two things Acro I've been ignoring a majority of YOUR questions because they are either garbage (from memory i remember something about puppies and kitties) or just misleading because you don't know a whole lot about the game.
^just his vote on kuz and his place on the wagon, not actual bussy post[/collapse]

These are all quotes I feel indicate Kevin may have been bussing kuz. They aren't strong pushes, but they're pushes that stem from Swiss flipping scum and the fact that kuz seemed to have a connection to him. scumKevin would know Swiss wouldn't flip scum, so he could safely put pressure and distance on kuz knowing that when Swiss flipped town, kuz would probably be out of the fire for the most part (well, up until people started to just vote kuz lol). I feel that he would have been pushing his scumbuddy harder, though; Kevin seems like the type to bus his scumbuddies, and I think he would have taken the opportunity to push kuz hard and generate some more distance. Maybe he was just wary of X1 lying (since he knew Swiss was town), though, or the simple fact that it would look weird to attack someone who wasn't Swiss/X1 when it was basically only a choice between the two. This entire thing is more of a null tell to me; the weak nature of the bus makes me less inclined to believe it, but I can't say that it isn't possible.

I don't know how to interpret this if both Swiss AND Kevin are scum, though, but I don't think I need to, given what this day has devolved into.
 

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Not exactly on my town list. He seems so convinced that X1's claim is legit, and, if I recall correctly, his reasons are:

1. He never admitted to lying
2. Why would a town X1 do that?

(this isn't strawmanning. I'm sure these are 95% word for word)

Both of these are bad reasons to back up anyone.

If X1 flips scum, though, i'm 100% convinced gova is his scumbuddy.
I really only have a few options, those being not beleive him, be indecisive/ignore it, or beleive him. Being indecisive/ignoring it will get me nowhere in finding scum so I decided to cast my lot toDay with X1 and chose to believe his claim. If you can show me where I'm so convinced that his claim is legit that would be nice.

1. That in conjuction with no one else counterclaiming cop.
2. Something you made up probably. I don't think I've said "why would town/scum X1 fake claim cop". This also implies that I think X1 is scum which I don't right now.

Gheb, Gova: 727 please.
I'm not sure anymore upon reading again. I could go either now. His noob card defense of Kuz fell through because I could find other instances of people defending Kuz on the grounds that X1 has a guilty on Swiss so he should be a play later, but the fact that X1 pointed out Kuz used the noob card as well suggests a connection to me at least. I also didn't like how he flipped stances with little to no reasoning.

I could go Kev now in light of these questions below that I'm pretty sure he didn't answer which I think would be important. I think when Swiss meant info, he was looking for answers to these questions which he never got and were replaced by generic stuff that can really be applied to any lynch.

I don't see what you mean in regards to his post though? I mean isn't that him being mean or is there some deeper meaning to it that I don't see? I don't really interpret anger as scummy. What do you think is scummy about Kev?

OK. Why?

Lets actually start this discussion then:

What does my town flip imply of X1? What does this then imply of Kuz? Is his sanity guaranteed?
What does my scum flip imply of X1? Was he bussing me?
What does my miller flip imply?
What if I were to claim a role which outweighs even night cop? We'd have to lynch X1 first.
Why has X1 lied about the mechanics of his role?
What other information do we gain?

@Bed

That first quote isn't a defense of Kuz. That's me asking BSL why he thought Kuz was scummy when I couldn't see a clear reason.

Second quote I could concede, Swords was tunneling Kuz imo up that that point.

Third quote Swiss specifically asked me that question. Would you have rather I dodged that?
 

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Are you guys kidding me?

You see Bed make one post where he says he gets protown intent and couldn't see a bus from me from my style of play.

Pressure hits him

Instantly he retracts what he said and starts trying to push that it WAS a bus.

Come on guys wake up

David after dentist Vanilla Townie.
 

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^I don't think you bussed kuz. >.> That's exactly my point. It's POSSIBLE you did when looking at your interactions with kuz, but I don't think you ACTUALLY did.

Third quote Swiss specifically asked me that question. Would you have rather I dodged that?
Oh, didn't know that. XD I need to take things into context more.

Bit more fine with you, but still think you're a better play than Kev/swiss ATM, since I feel they'll both do more to unearth scum.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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7. Swiss- (3): Nabe, KevinM, Sworddancer

4. KevinM- (3): Swiss, Dark Horse, Sir Bedevere

13. Sir Bedevere- (2): GhEEb, BSL

1. X1-12- (0)

2. DarkHorse- (0)

3. GhEEb- (0)

6. Gova- (0):

8. SwordDancer- (0)

9. Nabe- (0):

12. BSL- (0)

Strikes:

X1-12: 2

With 10 alive it takes six to lynch. Deadline is Dec. 22nd at 2:00 EST.
 

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Then why are you content with looking at the more possible chainsaw, the fact that X1 still has refused to retract his claims that Swiss is scum and the fact that he has mentioned he's more content with bringing me down then looking at the game and decide that out of the two of us, Swiss is the better person to have around in a Mylo/Lylo situation.

Does not compute, your words do not correlate with what you are saying.
 

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More like safe claim with l-3 and less then 24 hours left in a deadline where I'm not looking for a snowball lynch just to avoid eating a no lynch.

Please start using your head and looking at all possible factors before spouting nonsense, you're continued attempts at discrediting me are obnoxious.
 

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Then why are you content with looking at the more possible chainsaw, the fact that X1 still has refused to retract his claims that Swiss is scum and the fact that he has mentioned he's more content with bringing me down then looking at the game and decide that out of the two of us, Swiss is the better person to have around in a Mylo/Lylo situation.

Does not compute, your words do not correlate with what you are saying.
I don't buy in to the chainsaw just like I don't buy in to your bus. Kuz was doing some awkward things if he was Swiss' scumbuddy and I can't see Swiss telling him to do that or not telling him to stop, and the entire thing is muddled by the fact that we don't know who was telling kuz to do what, if he was told to do something at all.

I'd rather just not lynch any of the people who were involved with that ****. We'll resolve it eventually, but right now, now is not the time to be lynching the people that helped unearth our first scummate.

Lol, that's how he plays when he's got a good read, or at least when he thinks he does.

Basically, it comes down to who do I want to have with me for the rest of this game. I have moderately strong town reads on both of you, so the question is not which one is more likely to be wrong, but which one is more likely to be useful, and when you're deciding between:

A, person who has not made many stances, not done much scumhunting, only seems to pressure people attacking him

and

B, person who has made quite a few stances, has done plenty of scumhunting and has made the first case of the game, applies pressure to everyone

the choice is kind of made for you.

My read on you is stronger, Kevin, but if I had to pick between you to have with me in lylo, even with all the baggage associated with him, I'd pick Swiss.
 

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I've read a lot of games by you, I know your general style.

I'll be more comfortable reading Swiss later in the game, as will X1, so if it comes to a battle of meta, I'd rather have Swiss around too lol.
 

#HBC | Dancer

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Okay, I really don't get this. I'm not trying to sound mean here or anything, but I really don't.

I mean, yes guys, I understand KevinM is scummy, but it also feels like at the same time a lot of you are failing to look at the obvious connections that were made inbetween Swiss and Kuz. Scummy vibes from a player is one thing, but actually having a chainsaw done for Swiss with a cop claiming a guilty on Swiss as well? Yes, X1's claim is hella bad, but he has been holding onto for so long now, and he has been given so many options to drop it, but hasn't. Doesn't that say something? Also, won't now would be a good time to find out if he was lying or not?

@Gova and DH: I might of missed this, but are either of you two willing to vote Swiss?

@Gheb and Nabe: Would you guys be willing to vote Swiss again if either Gova or DH voted Swiss?

@X1: Deadline is 13 hours from this post. Just informing you that so you can be on for that hammer.
 

#HBC | Dancer

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Btw Bed, I don't necessarily think any of those are a bus. I'm pretty much in agrement with you that they all seem more nullish than anything.

Gova I just saw you viewing to thread. :mad:
 

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oh lol playin aim mafia but ill go ahead and vote swiss now

Vote: Swiss
 

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oops, forgot about this game. i pulled up the thread to do a reread, got about 5 pages in, then left to go to the movies. didnt remember that i was in mid reread until just now.
 

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@BSL, Why do you think Bed/Kev should go?
previous cases on them make the most sense.

BSL, can you point out why you are still completely convinced that Swiss is not the play?
X1 has lost a lot of credibility. his logic behind why he claimed to know who he would be investigating N1 doesnt work out. or at least, not in my mind.

X1 seems like a good cop target, if he isnt actually the cop.






i dont have enough time to finish the reread because im tired. and i probably wont wake up before the deadline regardless, unless my parents wake me up. dont count on it. i addressed what was asked of me, and ill do my reread tomorrow.
 

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Hatin' dat talk bout "lynch swiss n if he flips townzorz lynch x1". liek, u guys realize that it can go completely wrong n stuff? u can say its horrible town play for all i care but if both r town we're gettin' closer to losin' teh game by quite a lot, u kno? hatin' how ppl care moar bout findin' a scapegoat than do stuff thatll help us 2 win teh game. y r ppl not seein' this? y do unconstructive plans liek that get so much support? stop sheepin' n use yer brains folk.

huge fos @bed for his last posts. textbook examples of how 2 not do it. dont believe ur genuine @ all.

:059:
its entirely possible for both 2 b town. "likely" is always relative - on teh surface ud think they dont share alignment. but if u look closer @ things n think about other scenarios its perfectly possible for both 2 share alignment. thinkin' its scummy 2 tunnel teh idea that they cant possibly share alignment and push teh lynch based on dat.

:059:
Bed, do u still not c that ur question is irrelevant 2 me cuz i dont support teh swiss lynch 2 begin with? dont go 'round actin' liek its a set deal when its not.

kev, yer xplanation kinda works tho u shouldnt xpect any1 2 give u credit fo' ur actions.. not sayin' ur doin' that but just 2 make clear that i don' trust u. still expectin a whole lot more from u 2morrow.

vig can take care of our bed-problem n we lynch kuz toDay

:059:
these r mah main points regardin' bed yesterDay n why i c him as scum. liek, i already pointed out teh fallacy of teh "lynch swiss n then x1 if swiss flips town"-plan n i dont c how bed would push it liek that. especially since kuz flipped scum i can c bed pushin dat discussion ovah teh discussion about kuz.

swiss, ur def wrong. i dun want bed lynched "ovah" u but i wanna have both of u dead. if a vig shot yesterDay im all for him shootin' bed [assumin' ur lynched].

i also hope this answers nabe's question. u kno mah reasonz fo' votin' bed n u also kno bout mah stance on him n swiss now. any other questions b4 deadline?

:059:
 

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I like how I now have to push for the lynch of a guy I don't particularly think is scum.

I am not going to let myself get lynched again, Gheb.

This happens every game.

DH put your vote on Bed. It's better than me dying.

Sorry Bed. Lol.
 

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desert me guys? leave me to hammer?

LOOOOOOOOOL
Vote: Swiss

that was satisfying.




btw I lied about being N0 cop
 

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yea i figured u were lyin'

r u sum indy n u fulfilled ur wincon by gettin' swiss lynched?

:059:
 

#HBC | Dancer

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Swiss, if you are town (which I doubt) then don't you have to acknowledge that your flip will help us a lot? Why is everything with you "lynch him and then lynch me"?
 
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