You get no Sympathy in a "Fire Emblem Discussion"

[Ninka_kiwi]

Just imagine an Entei porking with a human-sized chili pepper and that's what you get.

That's hot in more ways then one... Get it,cuz Peppers are spicy, and Entei is a fire type!

 

[Deleted member]

fix'd.

Sounds hot. Would be hotter if you showed us.

Wouldn't it be more Hulk porking with Squidward?

........
*vomits*

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Wouldn't it be more Hulk porking with Squidward?

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[FlareHabanero]

Someone is going to make a fanfiction out of all this I'm sure.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Someone is going to make a fanfiction out of all this I'm sure.

I'd read it.

 

[jaytalks]

There's no reason to assume Sakurai WILL stick to the same model, it does not make sense. Explain to me the conventions that govern the fact that it somehow makes sense. It is no deep rooted tradition. I do not pretend to know what reason he has not to choose Chrom, but I can think of a few, namely those such as Anna or Tiki. Personally, I believe full well the team could create a unique moveset, but the ceiling on uniqueness for Chrom is low by nature due to his comparative similarities to the other lords, his potential is severely hampered. If we're somehow going by patterns, as you are, then it should be an indication that Sakurai follows the game similarities somewhat while allowing deviance, his average deviance, in my opinion, is not enough to warrant Chrom's already low potential uniqueness. And lucky for me, people here making a unique moveset for Chrom is no indication of what could, supposedly 'realistically' as you all put it, happen.

I don't know about his gravity metaphor, but wouldn't it be right to assume that gravity had previously existed, allowing for the construction of him and the building, for the sake of the discussion?

Your talk of Roy further fuels my evidence. None of you could have theory-crafted such things before they actually happened, our speculation is by no means guaranteed. No one 'saw it coming', as it were.
One of the greatest crimes of some historians is that they view events as inevitable, with no good evidence for the causal relationship.
We NEVER know what Sakurai might do in the end, to suggest that you can comprehend Sakurai-san due to a few corollaries that are weak in of themselves (I can't be bothered to calculate the R^2 value of reps vs sales and everything, but I'm sure it's not what you're hoping for ), does great dishonor to his enigmatic genius

Like Ike, another GREAT example, Sakurai, very 'realistically' mind you, could have easily went to IS again, and you don't know what IS may say. Heck, they could say Anna! She's certainly got a lot going for her. Just because YOU cannot see it, just because you think it's not realistic does not mean it will happen. They have a history of doing odd things in different directions, who is to say that they will most certainly not make another and throw everyone off? What then? The folks like you would just find another way to do the same exact thing of historical review to support whatever character you wish. We've seen joke examples plenty of times before, this is just a much more accepted one.
I, for example, think it is entirely possible for Anna to be in the next Smash, and that NONE of their moves can be predicted (see, even these FE examples, we don't even know the dialogue between IS and Sakurai, and further examples such as WFT, Wolf (which was to my knowledge relatively unrequested, but LOGICAL or whatever), Villager etc.). Will she? We will have to see.

I'm not in favor of Chrom but don't think he has a low ceiling on uniqueness due to any comparison to other lords. Chrom has shown to have unique strikes within his cutscenes, as well as a different style and the capability of producing blue flame.

 

[Deleted member]

I deed it already HNYRG. Golden, you should read what I wrote.

*reads*

 

[Curious Villager]

Just imagine an Entei porking with a human-sized chili pepper and that's what you get.

*Imagines it*

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Ah!

 

[FlareHabanero]

Chrom has shown to have unique strikes within his cutscenes, as well as a different style and the capability of producing blue flame.

?

 

[Jaedrik]

I'm not in favor of Chrom but don't think he has a low ceiling on uniqueness due to any comparison to other lords. Chrom has shown to have unique strikes within his cutscenes, as well as a different style and the capability of producing blue flame.

Yes, of course, but as I have said, it is opinion. I think Sakurai should think that Chrom has a low ceiling. I have seen the movesets and cutscenes, and have weighed them, and I find them simply not supportive of Chrom in particular. This is besides the point.
I even forgot what I was talking about in my post. Uh.

Edit: OH yes, I remember, the key is in my previous edit, "in particular". Possible inclusion does not necessitate uniqueness, just as Chrom is not inevitable, his moveset is not inevitably unique.
Wait, I forgot where I was going again.

 

[jaytalks]

?

Despite being called the hero of the blue flames, Ike doesn't use any blue flamed techniques within Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

Despite being called the hero of the blue flames, Ike doesn't use any blue flamed techniques within Smash.

Nor within his home series, really.
That attack in Radiant Dawn where he supposedly uses blue flames against the final boss?
That was only an aura surrounding Ike as he dealt a finishing blow using Aether.

 

[FalKoopa]

Lol, what happened here?

 

[Curious Villager]

Lol, what happened here?

We created a new breed of shippers, the Goldennero shippers. That's what happened. Come and join us Falkoopa!

Stuff happened... :x

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Nor within his home series, really.
That attack in Radiant Dawn where he supposedly uses blue flames against the final boss?
That was only an aura surrounding Ike as he dealt a finishing blow using Aether.

Yea, he was mostly called the Hero of the Blue Flames, because of the destruction he stopped from the Medallion, which has blues flames, that make most people go berserk

 

[FlareHabanero]

Oh yes, and it's decided that there will be a truce for now regarding to Chrom. Believe it or not, but that's not the character I'd be entirely against. That title more belongs to Robin, you know the character that essentially made Chrom his/her *****. Right now, I'm far more hesitant with Chrom because of his capabilities not quite being that amazing. If that can be proven otherwise, then I'll gladly revoke everything that was said in the past.

 

[Starbound]

Chrom's pretty disappointing when it comes to being a lord character because he doesn't do anything. >_>

Like the only thing he does that isn't "hai i'ma slash you with my sword" is that spinning thingy in the air he does before battling Lucina for the first time.

Plus his personality is about as interesting as a piece of cardboard, though that's irrelevant in Smash Bros.

 

[BluePikmin11]

But that leadership personality Peachy..

 

[FlareHabanero]

But that leadership personality Peachy..

Almost ever Lord had a sense of chivalry, it's generally a standard personality tradition. Though of course, no two characters share the exact carbon personality, but at the same time the Lords tend to be more dull then the varies units you recruit.

 

[jaytalks]

The great thing about Awakening is that there are two viable lords the game can bring to Smash 4. But I don't think Chrom is boring or anything. He is just the straight laced hero type, like many of the lords.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

The great thing about Awakening is that there are two viable lords the game can bring to Smash 4. But I don't think Chrom is boring or anything. He is just the straight laced hero type, like many of the lords.

Plus Lucina is such a bad*** in the game, I mean look at the cutscenes.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah, but really Chrom is the main focus in FE:A.

 

[Starbound]

Not quite. Chrom's used as a tool to showcase the more important characters.

The first 11 chapters or so are about Ylisse as a whole, with emphasis on Emmeryn.

[collapse=Spoilers]If it was Chrom who jumped off the cliff instead of Emmeryn in Ch.9, the story literally wouldn't change aside from Ch.10 and Ch.11, which would be about avenging Chrom instead of Emm.[/collapse]

From Ch.12-Ch.20, it's all about Walhart, and then the rest of the game is all about Avatar and Lucina's future.

 

[jaytalks]

I think that Chrom, Robin, and Lucina all play major roles in the game. But whenever given the chance, Nintendo makes Lucina the face of the game. She appears on the cover of the official artbook and soundtrack. The farther we get out from the international release date, the more Lucina promotion will be released for the game.

 

[kikaru]

If leading your troops to battle and defending your nation and pride equates to doing nothing then I don't know what else to say.

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Chrom plays a pivotal role in the game, he's the one who discovers and takes in My Unit, he's the reason why Lucina exists, him and the Avatar are the ones leading everyone to battle, he becomes the next exalt in his timeline to lead Ylisse and its neighbors towards peace and prosperity following his sister's path, he's the one that is baptized with Naga's blessing to help take down Grima via the Awakening, and he's the one who leads his troops to help save the children in the alternate timeline (Through conversations at the very least) so they too can defeat Grima. The children even started Chrom's New Shepards as an added bonus in the alternate, optional timeline.

Not to belittle Lucina or Robin's importance to the story in any way, but you're heavily diminishing everything Chrom/ the typical Lord contributes to the story.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Chrom is pretty much there because the directors wanted some character to fit into the Lord archetype, and because of that mentality he's abnormally not focused on too much. Like mentioned before, the story is more focused on Robin, which in my opinion is kind of stupid in a sense considering Robin is supposed to be more of an observer then a focus since the character is essentially a custom made insertion of the player. I think they had more of the right idea with Fire Emblem: New Mystery of the Emblem with making the custom character, Kris, being treated as more of a side character then a main character.

 

[Starbound]

Yeah, I do have to agree with Jaytalks. Every time they market Awakening, it's always with Lucina and never Chrom. Heck, Lucina's getting a Japan-exclusive figurine in her Masked pose. Chrom isn't.

This is the artwork that they used to announce the second set of DLC.
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and this is the cover of "The Knights of Iris" art book in Japan.

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and this is the cover of the official soundtrack in Japan.

Spoiler

That figurine I talked about above hasn't been made yet, so there isn't any artwork of it, but here's a source announcing that it is legit: http://serenesforest.net/fe13/news_2013.html#1002.

Meanwhile, Chrom is never promoted for the game. The only time someone other than Lucina gets special recognition for marketting is Tharja, who is getting a figurine.

 

[jaytalks]

If leading your troops to battle and defending your nation and pride equates to doing nothing then I don't know what else to say.
Not to belittle Lucina or Robin's importance to the story in any way, but you're heavily diminishing everything Chrom contributes to the story.

spoiler warnings. Not for me, but for others.

Chrom definitely is needed in the game and plays an important role. But I do think all play an important role. The difference Lucina has with the other two is that Lucina is just more optional in the game. Which is fine with me, that gives other players more options. But she still gets the cool talks before most of the bosses.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

spoiler warnings. Not for me, but for others.

Chrom definitely is needed in the game and plays an important role. But I do think all play an important role. The difference Lucina has with the other two is that Lucina is just more optional in the game. Which is fine with me, that gives other players more options. But she still gets the cool talks before most of the bosses.

Also the Avatar is optional after the first chapter (not including premonition). Lucina actually helped make Awakening's plot by preventing Chrom's death in the game so if she wasn't there, Chrom would most likely be dead and then the dark future happens.

 

[Jaedrik]

Ch. 12-20 is about Walhart? Please.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Alright, who would in a fight between Owain and Ike? Basically, sword hand vs. sword arm.

 

[Starbound]

Ike can probably control his sword arm.

The same cannot be said for Owain.

Therefore, Owain would win.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Hate to say it as Ike's my favorite lord, but Owain, because of the stat cap differences really.

Anyways this is cool, who would win in a fight, Micaiah or Tharja?

 

[Starbound]

this is hard because nosferatu is broken havent you heard

Micaiah because resolve exists in her game

 

[Sarki Soliloquy]

Sorry if there's another discussion of focus here, fellow emblemniers! But I would just like to hear some thoughts about something I'm thinking of pertaining to SSB4 and Fire Emblem.

I'm currently composing a roster prediction. After pondering it over, I am currently at the position of including Marth, Chrom, and Robin (My Unit, Avatar, Tactician, Grandmaster, Idunfackinknowwhattocallit). I decided that three slots is reasonable for Fire Emblem now due to the success of Awakening. However, this leaves out some other notable contenders, such as Roy and Ike.

So, what are the good and bad things about this? It's my decision in the end.

 

[ChronoBound]

The ironic thing is that Roy vs. Chrom/Lucina is basically a redux of Roy vs. Sigurd/Celice. FE4 was definitely a very popular and well-received game (its the only other FE game in Japan to have reached the 500K milestone aside from FE3), and still among the most popular games in the series in Japan. Sigurd/Chrom are basically masculine blue-haired swordsmen, while Celice/Lucina are feminine blue-haired lords. Sakurai went with the unproven Roy over characters from the very well-received FE4.

While Sakurai said that it was his fire sword that made him stand out more from other possible choices for a second character, I think he felt Roy aesthetically contrasted more with Marth than other lords at the time. I mean I think if we got Sigurd or Celice we would have had most people thinking Sigurd was Marth's dad, or that Celice was Marth's sister.

I think Sakurai still values characters that contrast well with the rest of the roster, and Sakurai saying that no characters have been cut yet (which means Ike could very well be on Sakurai's initial roster), makes me think him and Intelligent Systems had a detailed discussion with the problems of representing Fire Emblem in Smash Bros. Keep in mind too, Sakurai himself is also a big fan of the FE series (he has a copy of FE3 downloaded onto his Virtual Console, and hosted the Iwata Asks for FE11). I am sure Sakurai understands and knows that FE13 was the biggest success the series has had since the GBA days, but also knows of the the massive demand for Roy's return, and the huge backlash from the fans that Ike's removal would bring. I also think Sakurai knows that characters like Roy/Ike (as well as probably Chom/Lucina/FE13's My Unit) won't appear in another game in the series (outside of crossover games and possibly a remake in the case of Roy).

I think Sakurai also understands that the traditional lord arche-type (sword-wielding lord with a cape) has been explored within Smash Bros. quite a bit, and perhaps wants to explore other things the series could bring. I think ideally Sakurai wants FE to have four characters (Marth, Roy, Ike, and a newcomer showcasing something new with the FE series that has not been seen before in Smash Bros.), but whether it will come down to time constraints and possibly hardware restrictions for the 3DS.

Thinking about it, especially in light of the first set of newcomers unveiled for Smash 4. My guess that if Ike returns, Sakurai will most likely be going with either My Unit or Anna for a proper FE newcomer. I think of the three main heroes for FE13, My Unit definitely has more distinction to him/her aesthetically and ability wise than Chrom/Lucina (while also giving those people possibly a female FE character). Its also possible Sakurai and/or IS could have come up with the idea to add in Anna as someone that could not only rep FE13 but the series as a whole. If Sakurai could come up with something like the Wii Fit Trainer as a playable character, its certainly possible that the thought of Anna becoming a playable character has at least been entertained.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Sorry if there's another discussion of focus here, fellow emblemniers! But I would just like to hear some thoughts about something I'm thinking of pertaining to SSB4 and Fire Emblem.

I'm currently composing a roster prediction. After pondering it over, I am currently at the position of including Marth, Chrom, and Robin (My Unit, Avatar, Tactician, Grandmaster, Idunfackinknowwhattocallit). I decided that three slots is reasonable for Fire Emblem now due to the success of Awakening. However, this leaves out some other notable contenders, such as Roy and Ike.

So, what are the good and bad things about this? It's my decision in the end.

- FE13 is over-represented, you should keep Ike
+ No clones (sorry Roy fans)

Also I think 4 is actually good enough, hey Kirby got 2 newcomers from 1 game, why not FE

 

[ChronoBound]

+ No clones (sorry Roy fans)

Who is to say Roy would return as a clone. Being absent for an entire game, Sakurai certainly has a lot more room to radically change the character. Secondly, the trajectory for Smash Bros. has been for them to be more unique with each Smash Bros. game (see how Luigi has transitioned from Smash 64 to Brawl, or Falco/Ganondorf to Brawl). At the absolute worst, Roy will probably be like how Falco was in Brawl. More likely, Roy will be a Wolf-like character (though likely with at least a few unique specials and his own Final Smash). Roy being completely unique is not an unlikely scenario.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I mean I think if we got Sigurd or Celice we would have had most people thinking Sigurd was Marth's dad, or that Celice was Marth's sister.

Instead we got people thinking that Roy was Marth's boyfriend.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Who is to say Roy would return as a clone. Being absent for an entire game, Sakurai certainly has a lot more room to radically change the character. Secondly, the trajectory for Smash Bros. has been for them to be more unique with each Smash Bros. game (see how Luigi has transitioned from Smash 64 to Brawl, or Falco/Ganondorf to Brawl). At the absolute worst, Roy will probably be like how Falco was in Brawl. More likely, Roy will be a Wolf-like character (though likely with at least a few unique specials and his own Final Smash). Roy being completely unique is not an unlikely scenario.

Yeah, I have nothing against Roy, so if we do get 4 reps I would put Roy with them.