You get no Sympathy in a "Fire Emblem Discussion"

[sunshinesan]

E3 Newcomer: Ranger Ike!

 

[Hong]

I think my whole neighborhood. I'm serious though, with Ike returning, I think Sakurai would want a non-Blue haired swordsman to show that Fire Emblem doesn't just have characters like that.

I like to imagine it like a wedding. Like all the head development staff is around a table planning the roster, and Toru Narihiro will burst through the door at the last second to stop this unholy union from ever carrying forth.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I like to imagine it like a wedding. Like all the head development staff is around a table planning the roster, and Toru Narihiro will burst through the door at the last second to stop this unholy union from ever carrying forth.

Reminds me of Shrek, when King Farquaad was about to marry Fiona. Shrek confirmed for our 3rd Fire Emblem character!

 

[The Light Music Club]

I like to imagine it like a wedding. Like all the head development staff is around a table planning the roster, and Toru Narihiro will burst through the door at the last second to stop this unholy union from ever carrying forth.

Cause we still need two things, a non-sword user, and a non-male character. Micaiah and Female Robin are the only two in my mind that can fit both roles.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Neat. Ike made it back.
He looks awesome, his heavy hitting style definitely fits his character more this time around. Also I guess we can expect a radiant dawn stage on the Wii U

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Cause we still need two things, a non-sword user, and a non-male character. Micaiah and Female Robin are the only two in my mind that can fit both roles.

Obviously, the FE portion of the roster is going to be a total sausagefest!

 

[The Light Music Club]

Obviously, the FE portion of the roster is going to be a total sausagefest!

If it is, I'm done, I love the females in Fire Emblem.

 

[Ghirahilda]

My heart is freaking out. I can't decide if I want Chrom or Roy...

 

[The Light Music Club]

My heart is freaking out. I can't decide if I want Chrom or Roy...

Roy and Micaiah are the two I want. Now if Elincia was an option...

 

[Hong]

So, we are still left with the question...

Has Sakurai played any of Ike's games?

Watch Eruption get replaced with Ike blowing a large sausage balloon, tying it into the shape of a horse and riding it towards his enemies.

"Players will remember Ike being very slow in the last game. Now he has a trusty steed to help offset this weakness!

His attacks are still really slow so that he can remain balanced. Please understand."

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

So I haven't played Fire Emblem Awakening yet (I'm planning on it right after Pokemon Y), but do Marth or Ike appear in it? Not given passing references to or any indirect shout-outs, but appear, themselves, in the flesh?

Because if so, it would seem odd to have an Awakening stage with no characters from said game. And this isn't some obscure franchise-based stage like Pilotwings, Pictochat, Balloon Fight or Hanenbow, the franchise is already being represented.

 

[The Light Music Club]

So I haven't played Fire Emblem Awakening yet (I'm planning on it right after Pokemon Y), but do Marth or Ike appear in it? Not given passing references to or any indirect shout-outs, but appear, themselves, in the flesh?

Because if so, it would seem odd to have an Awakening stage with no characters from said game. And this isn't some obscure franchise-based stage like Pilotwings, Pictochat, Balloon Fight or Hanenbow, the franchise is already being represented.

Through DLC they become playable characters.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

So I haven't played Fire Emblem Awakening yet (I'm planning on it right after Pokemon Y), but do Marth or Ike appear in it? Not given passing references to or any indirect shout-outs, but appear, themselves, in the flesh?

Because if so, it would seem odd to have an Awakening stage with no characters from said game. And this isn't some obscure franchise-based stage like Pilotwings, Pictochat, Balloon Fight or Hanenbow, the franchise is already being represented.

Marth appears directly, in a way. I just rather not give spoilers though, as I see you haven't played it, yet.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

So I haven't played Fire Emblem Awakening yet (I'm planning on it right after Pokemon Y), but do Marth or Ike appear in it? Not given passing references to or any indirect shout-outs, but appear, themselves, in the flesh?

Because if so, it would seem odd to have an Awakening stage with no characters from said game. And this isn't some obscure franchise-based stage like Pilotwings, Pictochat, Balloon Fight or Hanenbow, the franchise is already being represented.

They only appear as DLC.

And I don't think having a stage from Awakening but no playable character is really that odd.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Through DLC they become playable characters.

I...guess that counts?

Can you take DLC Marth and Ike to Arena Ferox? If so, does anything plot-important happen?

 

[Hong]

So I haven't played Fire Emblem Awakening yet (I'm planning on it right after Pokemon Y), but do Marth or Ike appear in it? Not given passing references to or any indirect shout-outs, but appear, themselves, in the flesh?

Because if so, it would seem odd to have an Awakening stage with no characters from said game. And this isn't some obscure franchise-based stage like Pilotwings, Pictochat, Balloon Fight or Hanenbow, the franchise is already being represented.

The spirits of Marth and Ike appear in the DLC chapters, which take place in the Outrealm, which is basically the "Fan Fiction Land" of Fire Emblem where anything goes and has no consequence to the main story.

Spoilers incoming:

Spoiler

That said, Chrom (and in turn Lucina) are the descendants of Marth. The story takes place a millennium after. At most, Awakening has Priam, who is the descendant of Ike. He appears through a DLC chapter which is a sidequest, but indeed canon.

In short, no. Marth as Marth and Ike are not directly in Awakening. Only their phantoms, which are DLC which are about as consequential as the death of a character in a Looney Toon cartoon.

I...guess that counts?

Can you take DLC Marth and Ike to Arena Ferox? If so, does anything plot-important happen?

No. Beyond their DLC, they have no dialogue, have no voice lines, or anything akin to unique character models.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I...guess that counts?

Can you take DLC Marth and Ike to Arena Ferox? If so, does anything plot-important happen?

No. The DLC characters are all basically generic units with skillsets vaguely resembling their original counterparts. They have no character and can't even support with others.

 

[praline]

I still think Micaiah is the only choice for the third rep.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I still think Micaiah is the only choice for the third rep.

What do you mean by this? do you mean Micaiah is your preference for FE newcomer? Or do you mean that she is the only plausible choice? If so, why do you think that?

 

[Hong]

Aside from the slumber of Tiki and the developer friendzoning of Lyn, all the candidates are still in the running I'd say.

Chrom, the newest star of the series. Regrettably, he is of the new archetype of lord, akin to Alm but truly founded by Ike himself. Strong, brutish, ruffians much like the Mercenary class. An obsession with exposed muscular arms and leaving swords in the ground, there is no doubt Chrom has taken a lot of inspiration from Ike in abilities, demeanour, fashion sense and even statistics. Then again, with Toon Link as a confirmed fighter, I am fairly certain anything goes. Same goes for his daughter. Still valid.

There is Anna. Well, we could say her chances have improved, but we were still counting on the developer even considering her as an option to begin with. Still valid.

Robin must be feeling pretty good. Given she is not only different from the lord archetype established by Ike, but far and away different from most other leads. What is more is she is aboard the Awakening hype train, a game already featured in Smash Bros. Will this smash hit be referenced again, or will we be cut short at a stage and some tracks? We'll see. Still valid.

Ephraim is something that could come up if they really wanted to lay out the lords specifically and find someone unique, but his slim chances have not improved. Still valid.

Micaiah? Well, I wouldn't jump the gun. Those biased in favour of her character would say a Radiant Dawn Ike calls for a Radiant Dawn Micaiah, while I would argue that is just as much reason to represent a different world all together. Still valid.

 

[Floor]

Aside from the slumber of Tiki and the developer friendzoning of Lyn, all the candidates are still in the running I'd say.

Chrom, the newest star of the series. Regrettably, he is of the new archetype of lord, akin to Alm but truly founded by Ike himself. Strong, brutish, ruffians much like the Mercenary class. An obsession with exposed muscular arms and leaving swords in the ground, there is no doubt Chrom has taken a lot of inspiration from Ike in abilities, demeanour, fashion sense and even statistics. Then again, with Toon Link as a confirmed fighter, I am fairly certain anything goes. Same goes for his daughter. Still valid.

There is Anna. Well, we could say her chances have improved, but we were still counting on the developer even considering her as an option to begin with. Still valid.

Robin must be feeling pretty good. Given she is not only different from the lord archetype established by Ike, but far and away different from most other leads. What is more is she is aboard the Awakening hype train, a game already featured in Smash Bros. Will this smash hit be referenced again, or will we be cut short at a stage and some tracks? We'll see. Still valid.

Ephraim is something that could come up if they really wanted to lay out the lords specifically and find someone unique, but his slim chances have not improved. Still valid.

Micaiah? Well, I wouldn't jump the gun. Those biased in favour of her character would say a Radiant Dawn Ike calls for a Radiant Dawn Micaiah, while I would argue that is just as much reason to represent a different world all together. Still valid.

What about Lucina? If we are considering Ephiraim and Micaiah, surely Lucina should be listed.

As far as everything else, Robin is becoming more and more likely. I would still bet against him, but he isn't another blue haired Lord and whatnot. I wouldn't say Anna is very probable, but possible. Everyone seems to want her. I'd like her as an assist better. Anyone have any "stage boss" ideas? Do we even have any second stage ideas? Arena Ferox might be it, and Sakurai would probably sowed us the boss if there was one.

Awakening Boss listed below.

Spoiler

Grima?!

 

[Hong]

o.o I mentioned Lucina in there.

Personally I would love to see her. More than Chrom, for sure.

 

[Floor]

o.o I mentioned Lucina in there.

Personally I would love to see her. More than Chrom, for sure.

My mistake. Read 90%, scanned rest. My brain was looking for "Lucina" not "his daughter". I wouldn't care about either more than the other, but Chrom is more likely. All about play style honestly. I'd imagine Chrom would be a mixture of Ike and Fox. Quick and agile, but still a heavy hitter with slow recovery(not to be confused with the UpB). Lucina would be like Sheik, Nimble with a fast recovery, but not as much power.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Watch Eruption get replaced with Ike blowing a large sausage balloon, tying it into the shape of a horse and riding it towards his enemies.

Oh god, my sides... I totally want somebody to create a gif of this now.

 

[Minato Arisato]

Now we just need to put Ike in the character roster along with the likes of Mario, Pikachu, Link, etc.

 

[Rabbattack]

This sucks for me, there is a lesser chance of Robin getting in now. I'm pretty sure Chrom won't be added now, but this returning veteran makes me wonder if I was right stretching the FE reps to three.

 

[Sonicguy726]

So I haven't played Fire Emblem Awakening yet (I'm planning on it right after Pokemon Y), but do Marth or Ike appear in it? Not given passing references to or any indirect shout-outs, but appear, themselves, in the flesh?

Because if so, it would seem odd to have an Awakening stage with no characters from said game. And this isn't some obscure franchise-based stage like Pilotwings, Pictochat, Balloon Fight or Hanenbow, the franchise is already being represented.

They have dlc playable appearances and both have homages with chrom being marth' descndent and priam being ike's

 

[Hong]

Stepping away from characters, I must say I am pining for a Tellius stage now more than ever. The possibilities are bountiful.

It would be kind of wild to fight on that level of the Tower of Guidance where you fought the Black Knight. The battle takes place where Ike and the Black Knight fought, and on the other side of the barrier we can see the heroes of Radiant Dawn fighting the Disciples of Order.

 

[Floor]

This sucks for me, there is a lesser chance of Robin getting in now. I'm pretty sure Chrom won't be added now, but this returning veteran makes me wonder if I was right stretching the FE reps to three.

Pretty sure Chrom won't make it? Eh, maybe. I am on board with the whole " makes me wonder if I was right stretching the FE reps to three", though. Roster space is defiantly a consideration. I mean, we have...(based on Brawls numbers and the roster cap)

1. 4 / 5 pokemon
2. 1/3 Star Fox
3. 4/5 Zelda
4. 2/3 Kirby
5. 0/2 Earthbound

I know my list isn't at any roster cap I've set, but you can see how much more there is to reveal. Not to mention the single rep franchises, like Climbers, Cpt. Falcon, and Game and Watch. A 3rd rep isn't as definate as I thought.

@Hong

I was thinking about Grima as a stage. Fighting on the back of a dragon... can't beat that. Sadly, they already have an Awakening map.

 

[False Sense]

This sucks for me, there is a lesser chance of Robin getting in now. I'm pretty sure Chrom won't be added now, but this returning veteran makes me wonder if I was right stretching the FE reps to three.

I have simply no idea what you're talking about. There's nothing to suggest that we'll only get two Fire Emblem characters. In fact, it seems very likely we'll get three at this point. Ike was never in the way of any Awakening character; it was just a question of whether or not he would tag along.

At this point, I definitely expect three Fire Emblem characters. More than likely, it will be Chrom. However, things seem to be looking pretty good for Robin as of late, as well. So, don't be upset. you have no reason to be.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

There's only one solution to end this...

 

[Hong]

Also, technically if we were aiming for patterns (which you shouldn't), one could argue there has been a new Fire Emblem character with every game starting from Melee. While the seven years since Ike has starred in a game has contained two remakes and only one wholly original product, there has been years of feedback and a lot of time to reflect on it.

I couldn't even say Radiant Dawn was given a fair shot. Getting in the Sothe trophy was easy, sure, but according to the Sakurai the development staff was trying so hard to crank in new characters even late in development. Wouldn't be surprised if Ike was done-and-dusted relatively early in development. With that, I would say even Micaiah is a valid thought.

 

[Louie G.]

Someone tell me why Roy deserves to come back and deserved to ever be in smash to begin with.

Please.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Someone tell me why Roy deserves to come back and deserved to ever be in smash to begin with.

Please.

- Veteran
- Non blue-haired swordsman
- Fire
- Can be tweaked to have a semi-cloned moveset that isn't related to Marth
- Chrom is terrible Lord
- Robin and Anna are overrated
- Did I mentioned fire?

 

[Sonicguy726]

- Veteran
- Non blue-haired swordsman
- Fire
- Can be tweaked to have a semi-cloned moveset that isn't related to Marth
- Chrom is terrible Lord
- Robin and Anna are overrated
- Did I mentioned fire?

- Cut from Melee
- More unique characters avalible
- Ike and Charizard
- Still partly cloney
- You're opinion
- Because they are better options
- Yes and Ike and Charizard have it

 

[Louie G.]

- Veteran
- Non blue-haired swordsman
- Fire
- Can be tweaked to have a semi-cloned moveset that isn't related to Marth
- Chrom is terrible Lord
- Robin and Anna are overrated
- Did I mentioned fire?

None of these relate to Roy's actual importance in the Fire Emblem franchise.

Chrom being a "terrible Lord" doesn't detract from the fact that he is the ideal choice for Intelligent Systems, since not only was he the Lord of the most successful FE game of all time (that, yes, saved the series) but he is decently popular and is even playable in Monster Hunter, and is likely to appear in SMTxFE.

Robin is pretty overrated, but Anna is probably the most important FE character barring Marth.

 

[False Sense]

- Veteran
- Non blue-haired swordsman
- Fire
- Can be tweaked to have a semi-cloned moveset that isn't related to Marth
- Chrom is terrible Lord
- Robin and Anna are overrated
- Did I mentioned fire?

I don't find those to be particularly deserving qualities. I mean, I could do something quite similar for someone like Robin.

-Newcomer
-Non blue-haired swordsman
-Magic
-Can be incredibly unique
-Chrom is a terrible Lord
-Roy and Anna are overrated
-Did I mention magic?

That's not even everything, really.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

- Cut from Melee
- More unique characters avalible
- Ike and Charizard
- Still partly cloney
- You're opinion
- Because they are better options
- Yes and Ike and Charizard have it

- Can bring back due to fan demand. Same as Mewtwo
- Roy is still unique with a fire swordsmen moveset
- Ok, and?
- Partly cloney is better than being full cloned like Tink
- It's "your". Learn to English
- Not when everyone shoves those two down people's throats
- Again, and?

 

[Hong]

Hong

-Veteran
-Non-blue-haired sowrdmsn
-eSports
-Can be tweaked to have semi-cloned moveset that isn't related to Marth
-Chrom is a terrible lord
-Xenoblaze and Louie G. is overrated
-Did I mention eSports?

 

[Louie G.]

@ CrusherMania1592

None of these relate to Roy's actual importance in the Fire Emblem franchise.

Also Roy being a clone gives him at least a reason to be cut from Melee.
But heh, Mewtwo's a clone too, by definition.