You get no Sympathy in a "Fire Emblem Discussion"

[Robert of Normandy]

I like Awakening Ike better than the previous designs, it's pretty cool that he has a sword for a hand.

It's pretty embarrassing for the artist that that's what most people thought.

(he doesn't have a sword hand, the artist just sucks)

 

[•Col•]

It's pretty embarrassing for the artist that that's what most people thought.

(he doesn't have a sword hand, the artist just sucks)

That artist actually did the character art for FE6.

The FE13 Ike picture honestly looks like maybe he rushed it, messed up with some of the proportions, didn't feel like redoing them and just finished it.. Just the impression that I get from it..

 

[kikaru]

(he doesn't have a sword hand, the artist just sucks)

... Can't... Unsee...

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I like Awakening Ike better than the previous designs, it's pretty cool that he has a sword for a hand.

That design makes him look like a scrawny pirate. Arrrrr, it be crazy, young squirt!

 

[FlareHabanero]

That design makes him look like a scrawny pirate. Arrrrr, it be crazy, young squirt!

Now I'm imagining Ike carrying around a giant anchor like May.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Moment of sadness that Mia will never be in a Smash game.

 

[FalKoopa]

Ike having a sword arm would make moves like Aether and Eruption even cooler to watch.

(Really, how often do you see someone throwing his hand into the air and coming down with it?)

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Yet another day, still no Ike reveal.

I get that Fire Emblem isn't exactly a Nintendo priority but could they at least throw me a bone and pretend that it is a franchise they care about

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

I really don't want Ike to take on his Radiant Dawn appearance.

I believe that his Path of Radiance look is more iconic, and his Radiant Dawn look is actually quite similar to Chrom's outfit.

Chrom looks like Ike not the other way around.

 

[Hong]

Anyone else think Fire Emblem should stick to handhelds?

It's a very personal experience. Everyone has very personal values for each character... that is why you have so many to choose from. To you, it can be some random green haired anime girl. To me, it's Nephenee of the Crimean militia... a fierce warrior who has BEASTED the battlefield on several occasions. Sure the consoles have more processing power, but aside from that I think it's better for both the developer and the players if they design around a portable experience. It's much more affordable proposition for the developers, and honestly they will sell WAY more copies this way. Especially in Japan with how well the DS family has performed.

If anything, Advance Wars would be better for consoles. I know they tried the whole Battalion Wars thing, but that doesn't count. They absolutely butchered the presentation and did not at all attempt to replicate what made the series fun. If they used the cute art style and utilize the simple mechanics, they could produce a fun experience for a relatively small development cost. What's more is they could actually deliver decent multiplayer on consoles. Unlike with Fire Emblem, you don't control characters you are particularly attached to. The soldiers in Advance Wars are made to die. Two players can reasonably take turns controlling armies on one big screen.

A few things spurred these thoughts. The first would be this comic. The other would be the recent release of Advance Wars on Wii U Virtual Console. It just feels better for some reason.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Anyone else think Fire Emblem should stick to handhelds?

It's a very personal experience. Everyone has very personal values for each character... that is why you have so many to choose from. To you, it can be some random green haired anime girl. To me, it's Nephenee of the Crimean militia... a fierce warrior who has BEASTED the battlefield on several occasions. Sure the consoles have more processing power, but aside from that I think it's better for both the developer and the players if they design around a portable experience. It's much more affordable proposition for the developers, and honestly they will sell WAY more copies this way. Especially in Japan with how well the DS family has performed.

If anything, Advance Wars would be better for consoles. I know they tried the whole Battalion Wars thing, but that doesn't count. They absolutely butchered the presentation and did not at all attempt to replicate what made the series fun. If they used the cute art style and utilize the simple mechanics, they could produce a fun experience for a relatively small development cost. What's more is they could actually deliver decent multiplayer on consoles. Unlike with Fire Emblem, you don't control characters you are particularly attached to. The soldiers in Advance Wars are made to die. Two players can reasonably take turns controlling armies on one big screen.

A few things spurred these thoughts. The first would be this comic. The other would be the recent release of Advance Wars on Wii U Virtual Console. It just feels better for some reason.

I actually would like to see more home console FE games, in my honest opinion. Mostly for my biased reason of having more fun playing PoR and RD. Than Awakening, and the gba FEs. Then again, it is only a matter of opinion, I just don't want it to be exclusively handhelds. Plus, who wouldn't want to play a great turn based strategy in HD.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Anyone else think Fire Emblem should stick to handhelds?

It's a very personal experience. Everyone has very personal values for each character... that is why you have so many to choose from. To you, it can be some random green haired anime girl. To me, it's Nephenee of the Crimean militia... a fierce warrior who has BEASTED the battlefield on several occasions. Sure the consoles have more processing power, but aside from that I think it's better for both the developer and the players if they design around a portable experience. It's much more affordable proposition for the developers, and honestly they will sell WAY more copies this way. Especially in Japan with how well the DS family has performed.

If anything, Advance Wars would be better for consoles. I know they tried the whole Battalion Wars thing, but that doesn't count. They absolutely butchered the presentation and did not at all attempt to replicate what made the series fun. If they used the cute art style and utilize the simple mechanics, they could produce a fun experience for a relatively small development cost. What's more is they could actually deliver decent multiplayer on consoles. Unlike with Fire Emblem, you don't control characters you are particularly attached to. The soldiers in Advance Wars are made to die. Two players can reasonably take turns controlling armies on one big screen.

A few things spurred these thoughts. The first would be this comic. The other would be the recent release of Advance Wars on Wii U Virtual Console. It just feels better for some reason.

Hong, your example of Fire Emblem being a personal opinion used a console game, silly. *shakes head* I see your point, though. I personally don't actually care where I play the next Fire Emblem so long as I can connect to the characters better again. I want to like more than just Lucina, Severa and Gerome next time around.

 

[FalKoopa]

Anyone else think Fire Emblem should stick to handhelds?

It's a very personal experience. Everyone has very personal values for each character... that is why you have so many to choose from. To you, it can be some random green haired anime girl. To me, it's Nephenee of the Crimean militia... a fierce warrior who has BEASTED the battlefield on several occasions. Sure the consoles have more processing power, but aside from that I think it's better for both the developer and the players if they design around a portable experience. It's much more affordable proposition for the developers, and honestly they will sell WAY more copies this way. Especially in Japan with how well the DS family has performed.

If anything, Advance Wars would be better for consoles. I know they tried the whole Battalion Wars thing, but that doesn't count. They absolutely butchered the presentation and did not at all attempt to replicate what made the series fun. If they used the cute art style and utilize the simple mechanics, they could produce a fun experience for a relatively small development cost. What's more is they could actually deliver decent multiplayer on consoles. Unlike with Fire Emblem, you don't control characters you are particularly attached to. The soldiers in Advance Wars are made to die. Two players can reasonably take turns controlling armies on one big screen.

A few things spurred these thoughts. The first would be this comic. The other would be the recent release of Advance Wars on Wii U Virtual Console. It just feels better for some reason.

Well, looking at the direction the series is going with FE12 and FE13 - customizable avatars and marriage, it does make for a very personal experience. And features like "Battle Save/Suspend" (you can pick it up anytime and play in short bursts) and that multiplayer is not the strong suit of the series, yeah, I'd agree that the series should be more hand-held based.

That said, Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn did an amazing job of bringing Fire Emblem to full blown 3D, and I'm excited to see the HD visuals the Wii U can bring to the series. especially since Radiant Dawn improved a lot on PoR's gameplay, animations and pre-rendered cutscenes, I do want to see a Wii U Fire Emblem game.

 

[Hong]

At the very least, the Wii U gamepad would be nice. I liked the touch controls from FE11 and FE12. If not for touch controls, at the very least it would a convenient way of viewing things like item or terrain details.

 

[Banjodorf]

You know, speaking of FE on the Wii U;

I feel like it'd be cool if they had the traditional battle map on the gamepad, and perhaps a 3D view of the characters/units on the TV screen. With it zooming closer to units when you click on them with the gamepad, before commanding them to move.

Sounds like that would look cool.

 

[Pacack]

You know, speaking of FE on the Wii U;

I feel like it'd be cool if they had the traditional battle map on the gamepad, and perhaps a 3D view of the characters/units on the TV screen. With it zooming closer to units when you click on them with the gamepad, before commanding them to move.

Sounds like that would look cool.

*crosses fingers that they're actually doing this*

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I would just like a 3D Fire Emblem that actually takes advantage of the fact that it's in 3D.

It'll never happen because IS doesn't like change, but I can dream.

 

[Hong]

I just want to throw out there that being on a console did not make Path of Radiance what it was.

In fact, it arguably had the worst presentation out of any Fire Emblem to date, maybe taking second seat to Shadow Dragon. The battle animations were a major step-down from the GBA games. The audio technology was there... With the intro and a few tracks, we felt it. But for the early game, poor use of technology and honestly not the most profound soundtrack left some room for improvement.

Going onto Radiant Dawn, yeah. It certainly took advantage of its graphical capability, and it sounded great. On the other hand, development for that game was brutal. RD had a grand, grand vision, but was actually rushed. Which is a surprise, because we still got a lot of content.

If FE9 and 10 were on the DS, we honestly would not have lost much, and they would have sold more units. The GBA couldn't produce the best audio, but if Final Fantasy III and IV are any indication, the DS sure as heck could.

Now now, I will admit that Awakening had a good presentation. In fact, it was incredible. Easily the my favourite 3DS game in terms of sound and visuals (though Bravely Default is something else, I'll tell ya). The fan in me wants to see a Fire Emblem of RD's length in FULL HD. But being realistic, for Nintendo it may not be financially sound. :[

 

[FlareHabanero]

I thought Kid Icarus: Uprising had the better sound and visuals, but then again those flying sections work really great in 3D and the soundtracks music complementing the actions makes it feel great. I felt that Fire Emblem: Awakening in comparison only had standout moments with those CGI cutscenes, while I felt everything else was very simplistic. The music tracks were good, but how the visuals were presented could of been better handled.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I just want to throw out there that being on a console did not make Path of Radiance what it was.

In fact, it arguably had the worst presentation out of any Fire Emblem to date, maybe taking second seat to Shadow Dragon. The battle animations were a major step-down from the GBA games. The audio technology was there... With the intro and a few tracks, we felt it. But for the early game, poor use of technology and honestly not the most profound soundtrack left some room for improvement.

Going onto Radiant Dawn, yeah. It certainly took advantage of its graphical capability, and it sounded great. On the other hand, development for that game was brutal. RD had a grand, grand vision, but was actually rushed. Which is a surprise, because we still got a lot of content.

If FE9 and 10 were on the DS, we honestly would not have lost much, and they would have sold more units. The GBA couldn't produce the best audio, but if Final Fantasy III and IV are any indication, the DS sure as heck could.

Now now, I will admit that Awakening had a good presentation. In fact, it was incredible. Easily the my favorite 3DS game in terms of sound and visuals (though Bravely Default is something else, I'll tell ya). The fan in me wants to see a Fire Emblem of RD's length in FULL HD. But being realistic, for Nintendo it may not be financially sound. :[

Keep in mind, though. PoR while seeming rather lack luster, was a huge transition from easily manipulable sprites to most likely hard to manage 3 dimensional models, environment, pre-rendered cutscenes and etc. So that's how I feel on the situation On the topic of RD being rushed, while being rushed there was a drastic improvement in overall design. There's no way to totally predict or prevent time constraints, so all I can say is hopefully it doesn't happen to the next FE game.

Plus, with the Wii U High Definition capabilities, and with hopefully way more development time, it could be the best FE, yet. Hopefully, without the balance, plot, and character presentation (There's a such thing as too quirky) flaws of Awakening.

 

[The Light Music Club]

I'm curious. If you could pick any single fire emblem character to be in smash (even the ones who clearly won't make it) who would you pick? I would go with Ilyana from PoR and RD she was a BEAST in both of my games and was not just my strongest mage, but along with Mia and Haar, one of my three strongest Human units (besides the required Ike).

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Jill Fizzart.

4 games, capped stats, #1 unit. Wyvern, Axe, red hair and red armor. No contest.

 

[FlareHabanero]

That Knight with the Fire Sword in Chapter 10: Noel Canyon from Fire Emblem: Thracia 776.

 

[loganhogan]

You know, speaking of FE on the Wii U;

I feel like it'd be cool if they had the traditional battle map on the gamepad, and perhaps a 3D view of the characters/units on the TV screen. With it zooming closer to units when you click on them with the gamepad, before commanding them to move.

Sounds like that would look cool.

They need to hire you now.

 

[Pacack]

I'm curious. If you could pick any single fire emblem character to be in smash (even the ones who clearly won't make it) who would you pick? I would go with Ilyana from PoR and RD she was a BEAST in both of my games and was not just my strongest mage, but along with Mia and Haar, one of my three strongest Human units (besides the required Ike).

Eirika gets a mention since she's my first Lord, but Tiki honestly still wins out just for being Manakete. Maybe Myrrh instead since I prefer her design.

 

[Banjodorf]

If I had to pick any single character to be in the game? Anna or Tiki. More Tiki because green hair and dragons.

 

[Oblivion129]

I'm curious. If you could pick any single fire emblem character to be in smash (even the ones who clearly won't make it) who would you pick? I would go with Ilyana from PoR and RD she was a BEAST in both of my games and was not just my strongest mage, but along with Mia and Haar, one of my three strongest Human units (besides the required Ike).

Chrom

 

[Chaosmaster8753]

Anyone want to mention a few assist trophy ideas everyone here has come up with? For some reason I came up with Tharja.

 

[NocturnalQuill]

I'm curious. If you could pick any single fire emblem character to be in smash (even the ones who clearly won't make it) who would you pick? I would go with Ilyana from PoR and RD she was a BEAST in both of my games and was not just my strongest mage, but along with Mia and Haar, one of my three strongest Human units (besides the required Ike).

Glass from FE7. The gods fear his name.

Serious answer: Probably one of the non-sword lords. Hector would be perfect. A mage would be nice too. There's no way Henry will be playable, but he's perfect assist trophy material.

 

[Oblivion129]

Anyone want to mention a few assist trophy ideas everyone here has come up with? For some reason I came up with Tharja.

I'd really like to see Tharja as an AT. She's my Awakening wife and strongest character (that Nosferatu spam). Plus, an HD model of her would be interesting.

 

[The Light Music Club]

AT? I'd go with Sothe. A character from two games, who also got a trophy in Brawl. Could possibly signify Micaiah playability as well

 

[FlareHabanero]

Anyone want to mention a few assist trophy ideas everyone here has come up with? For some reason I came up with Tharja.

Chrom and Lucina.

 

[FalKoopa]

I'd go with Tiki for an assist trophy. Turning into a dragon, and setting the stage ablaze.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Seems like Chrom is generally

tier.

 

[Hong]

I still want playable Lucina. ~.~

 

[FlareHabanero]

I still want playable Lucina. ~.~

Too bad, you're going to get the most generic Lord ever and you're going to like it.

Because **** being original.

 

[Hong]

Too bad, you're going to get the most generic Lord ever and you're going to like it.

Because **** being original.

Xen-chan please stop. My Internet ears cannot take it.. ・゜゜・（／。＼）・゜゜・．

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

I have a feeling Ike will be revealed today...

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I have a feeling Ike will be revealed today...

Better luck next time, eh?

 

[Hong]

I have a feeling Ike will be revealed today...

A question for you and I suppose anyone else who wants to chime:

How will you respond if Ike does not show up in playable form at all?