You get no Sympathy in a "Fire Emblem Discussion"

[DraginHikari]

Why are people expecting Ike to be scrapped?

Mainly it probably comes from the logic that Ike was in Brawl while Roy wasn't. Basically the idea that Ike replaced Roy as the most recent lord, though I aware that was more of a time issue it does seem to at least suggest a priority suggestion in that regards it is possible that people would assume Chrom would replace Ike as the most current lord based on that idea. So in fairness sake I cannot really say the logic is completely broken because of previous situations but I don't think anyone is in position to assume anything in regards to FE. Whether it be that there will be more fire emblem characters, the same characters, or something entirely different all we have to go on is Marth which only continues a pattern of him being the constant lord in Smash, that's all right now.

 

[Neanderthal]

I will shoot myself if we got Marth, Ike, Roy and Chrom.
Could they waste 3 character spots in any more of a boring way?

For that reason I think we will get max of 3 FE characters. And I'm hoping the third one is a different kind of character instead of another predictable sword fighter.
Perhaps Robin with a unique varied moveset, or a magic lord.

As for the second spot, I would like ONE of Ike or Roy. Either one is fine, but not both and not a clone of Marth.

 

[DraginHikari]

I would put anything above 3 in the unlikely and I hope not categories. I do enjoy Fire Emblem but I don't really see it as a series that needs 4-5 characters. As there are other series I'd like to see more characters for. As much as I like Ike and Chrom both, it wouldn't hurt my feelings if one of them didn't make it in.

 

[•Col•]

Why are people expecting Ike to be scrapped?

Because you can totally make a pattern by looking at a single instance.

Roy got removed and replaced by the newest lord in Brawl. It's a fact that the same will happen in Smash 4, and Ike will be replaced by Chrom. Accept it, man.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Meta Knight will be broken in Smash 4, fact.

...

Who am I f***ing kidding, if he isn't SS tier again he ain't going below A+.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ike >>> Roy > Chrom

 

[FlareHabanero]

Because you can totally make a pattern by looking at a single instance.

Roy got removed and replaced by the newest lord in Brawl. It's a fact that the same will happen in Smash 4, and Ike will be replaced by Chrom. Accept it, man.

Yeah, you're right. I was such a fool for trying to defy fate. Might as well accept that there won't be pike with this corn.

 

[ToothiestAura]

Because you can totally make a pattern by looking at a single instance.

Roy got removed and replaced by the newest lord in Brawl. It's a fact that the same will happen in Smash 4, and Ike will be replaced by Chrom. Accept it, man.

I don't think people understand what a fact is anymore.
Even if we knew that Roy was scrapped for Ike, that doesn't mean it would happen again. What we do know is Roy wasn't in Brawl, but there were a number of planned assets for him on the Brawl disc. Which logically means that they were planned to be in the game side-by-side and that Roy wasn't finished in-time to be playable. All we know was that he was scrapped, not why.
Regardless, Roy was a clone (with one "unique" move). So it is understandable that he would be lower priority than Ike, who has a unique moveset. So if Roy was cut for Ike, it was likely because Roy is a clone. Ike has a unique moveset (which may not be very good, but that hasn't stopped Sakurai from bringing back a character before). So Ike should have more priority than Roy did. I can't believe people are still ****ing holding on to the Ike part of "Lucario and Ike will be cut." Look, if Lucario didn't get cut, Ike's chances are better.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, you're right. I was such a fool for trying to defy fate. Might as well accept that there won't be pike with this corn.

Ironically, isn't Chrom's whole deal about "Anything can change"?
Sounds like he's protectin' his bro Ike.

 

[Hong]

R I P in piece ike shame ur being replace

 

[xpnc]

Because you can totally make a pattern by looking at a single instance.

Roy got removed and replaced by the newest lord in Brawl. It's a fact that the same will happen in Smash 4, and Ike will be replaced by Chrom. Accept it, man.

The difference between Ike and Roy is that Roy was a carbon copy of Marth with a fire effect added to his sword and Ike had a completely original moveset

 

[FlareHabanero]

Ironically, isn't Chrom's whole deal about "Anything can change"?
Sounds like he's protectin' his bro Ike.

Highly dependent on which DLC we're talking about.

Either he's an ally or an enemy, and even then it's technically not official considering you're only fighting with/against spirits and it's completely optional.

 

[The Light Music Club]

I don't think people understand what a fact is anymore.
Even if we knew that Roy was scrapped for Ike, that doesn't mean it would happen again. What we do know is Roy wasn't in Brawl, but there were a number of planned assets for him on the Brawl disc. Which logically means that they were planned to be in the game side-by-side and that Roy wasn't finished in-time to be playable. All we know was that he was scrapped, not why.
Regardless, Roy was a clone (with one "unique" move). So it is understandable that he would be lower priority than Ike, who has a unique moveset. So if Roy was cut for Ike, it was likely because Roy is a clone. Ike has a unique moveset (which may not be very good, but that hasn't stopped Sakurai from bringing back a character before). So Ike should have more priority than Roy did. I can't believe people are still ****ing holding on to the Ike part of "Lucario and Ike will be cut." Look, if Lucario didn't get cut, Ike's chances are better.

More like if Toon Link wasn't cut Wolf, Lucas, Ike, and Lucario are guaranteed.

 

[Dr. Bran]

I've always wanted to have Erika from Sacred Stones to be in Smash. Her attacks could be a mix of both Ike and Marth, meaning quicker, less powerful versions of Ike's moveset. However, she should play like you would imagine a Myrmidon would control.

 

[The Curious Volnutt]

Ike >>> Roy > Chrom

Anna>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ike

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I like roy and marth more than ike. Lyn>roy>marth>Ike>the rest that I won't mention because i'll have long lord list.

Come at me bros.

 

[•Col•]

The difference between Ike and Roy is that Roy was a carbon copy of Marth with a fire effect added to his sword and Ike had a completely original moveset

Doesn't matter. It's a fact that Smash 4 will only have 2 Fire Emblem reps, one of which is Marth obviously. The other is the newest lord, which is Chrom. How do I know?

Melee had 2 FE characters, Marth and Roy. Brawl had 2 FE characters, Marth and Ike. On an somewhat related note, Starfox is guaranteed to get 4 reps.

OPEN YOUR EYES, PEOPLE.

 

[The Curious Volnutt]

Doesn't matter. It's a fact that Smash 4 will only have 2 Fire Emblem reps, one of which is Marth obviously. The other is the newest lord, which is Chrom. How do I know?

Melee had 2 FE characters, Marth and Roy. Brawl had 2 FE characters, Marth and Ike. On an somewhat related note, Starfox is guaranteed to get 4 reps.

OPEN YOUR EYES, PEOPLE.

 

[The Light Music Club]

He's from Pittsburgh so he's probably a steelers fan, you can never tell with those guys... Go RAVENS!

Oh I plan to buy Awakening soon since I finished Uprising. Maybe that will change my opinion on not wanting an Awakening rep except for female Robin

 

[Niko Mar]

I like roy and marth more than ike. Lyn>roy>marth>Ike>the rest that I won't mention because i'll have long lord list.

Come at me bros.

Ok, I will.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Ok, I will.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Doesn't matter. It's a fact that Smash 4 will only have 2 Fire Emblem reps, one of which is Marth obviously. The other is the newest lord, which is Chrom. How do I know?

Melee had 2 FE characters, Marth and Roy. Brawl had 2 FE characters, Marth and Ike. On an somewhat related note, Starfox is guaranteed to get 4 reps.

OPEN YOUR EYES, PEOPLE.

But what if my eyes are sowed shut?

 

[Soupenomics]

But what if my eyes are sowed shut?

And you can still type? That's damn impressive.

 

[FlareHabanero]

And you can still type? That's damn impressive.

That's what happens when you sow your eyes shut like Sanageyama.

 

[Dr. Bran]

If I can't have Erika in SSB4, I want Morgan. He/She could use both swords and tomes to cut, slice, burn, and electrocute to destroy his/her foes. I would have chosen the Avatar (Robin), but I felt that Morgan had more personality.

 

[False Sense]

If I can't have Erika in SSB4, I want Morgan. He/She could use both swords and tomes to cut, slice, burn, and electrocute to destroy his/her foes. I would have chosen the Avatar (Robin), but I felt that Morgan had more personality.

I thought that Morgan was just a more childish version of Robin in terms of personality.

But in terms of abilities, Morgan/Robin work very nicely as characters.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Nobody great as Ike. There's no character in Fire Emblem as developed in character as Ike. So I bet he'll return, probably in FE10 fashion as an unlockable. Chrom might get revealed before him, but would think if Roy's in, Ike gets shown first and Marth is a starter.

Can't help but think the FE Awakening stage doesn't hint at Chrom now after Little Mac either.

 

[False Sense]

Nobody great as Ike. There's no character in Fire Emblem as developed in character as Ike. So I bet he'll return, probably in FE10 fashion as an unlockable. Chrom might get revealed before him, but would think if Roy's in, Ike gets shown first and Marth is a starter.

Can't help but think the FE Awakening stage doesn't hint at Chrom now after Little Mac either.

I'd definitely agree with Ike returning. He's plenty deserving for that. Although I have to ask, what about Little Mac makes you think that the Awakening stage doesn't hint towards an Awakening character?

 

[Diddy Kong]

I mean that it does hint towards Chrom being in.

 

[False Sense]

I mean that it does hint towards Chrom being in.

Oh.

Well that makes since. Although I would argue it points to the inclusion of an Awakening rep, not just Chrom. Of course, Chrom is the most likely choice, but there are one or two more characters the stage could also be pointing to.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I really can't picture Robin getting in. And frankly, I don't see why they'd choose him.

To be honest, I think all possible Awakening choices are bad.

 

[False Sense]

I really can't picture Robin getting in. And frankly, I don't see why they'd choose him.

Well, I would say they may choose him/her to represent core aspects of the Fire Emblem series such as magic, MUs, and tactics, while representing the latest Fire Emblem game and being a very unique Smash fighter.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Robin is the go to option for Fire Emblem at the moment.

Unless of course you really hate diversity.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

I prefer Lucina to diversity, really.

Arena Ferox could point to any of the three Awakening Protagonists. In the story, it's where Masked Marth was revealed to have the Parallel Falchion, hinting at some greater significance with regards to his identity. So ... IDK, but I could see them doing something cool with Arena Ferox in a trailer.

I suppose we'll just have to keep waiting.

 

[DMurr]

I mean that it does hint towards Chrom being in.

This isn't really true. Arena Ferox is not a hint towards anything -- unless for some reason you think that there's a Nintendog on the roster. Stages don't mean anything except that they're stages. Little Mac is the first representative of his series in the Smash Bros. games, so predictably he's going to have a stage, but we could've had a Punch-Out stage just as easily without Mac (PictoChat, Electroplankton?). We just as easily could've had a character join the roster without a stage for their series (Fire Emblem in Melee, R.O.B. in Brawl).

 

[DraginHikari]

This isn't really true. Arena Ferox is not a hint towards anything -- unless for some reason you think that there's a Nintendog on the roster. Stages don't mean anything except that they're stages. Little Mac is the first representative of his series in the Smash Bros. games, so predictably he's going to have a stage, but we could've had a Punch-Out stage just as easily without Mac (PictoChat, Electroplankton?). We just as easily could've had a character join the roster without a stage for their series (Fire Emblem in Melee, R.O.B. in Brawl).

Well to be fair it's merely an idea as the previous fire emblem from Brawl was not associated with a specific game in the series which the Arena Ferox for the first time is pointing to a specific game in the series. Now your correct in regards to the fact that it doesn't prove anything at the moment, but that simply due to an absence of available information not because the logic itself is flawed. It could mean something or it could mean nothing just like any other unknown in this type of discussion.

 

[DMurr]

Well to be fair it's merely an idea as the previous fire emblem from Brawl was not associated with a specific game in the series which the Arena Ferox for the first time is pointing to a specific game in the series. Now your correct in regards to the fact that it doesn't prove anything at the moment, but that simply due to an absence of available information not because the logic itself is flawed. It could mean something or it could mean nothing just like any other unknown in this type of discussion.

To be fair, we have a Pikmin 3 stage, but (so far as we know) we don't have a Pikmin 3 rep. I don't think almost anyone assumes that this means that Alph, Charlie or Brittany will be playable.. but I understand you logic. It is reasonable to say we don't know enough to say this.

I was going to draw more comparisons to other stages and characters but Fire Emblem is inevitably going to be different from the because of it's non-repeating cast. It would make me so laugh so much if Sakurai threw us a curveball and gave us none of Roy, Ike, Chrom, Lucina, Robin, Anna, Lyn.. and gave us say, Alm, Celica, Sigurd or Leaf. All this discussion and none selected lolol..

 

[ToothiestAura]

But what if my eyes are sowed shut?

Er, sewn.* It's impressive you got that close, considering.

I thought Colaya was being ironic to prove a point. Now, I kinda think Colaya may be ********.

Arena Ferox is clearly hinting at Lon'qu.

 

[Shotguner159]

There's no character in Fire Emblem as developed in character as Ike.

What.

 

[jaytalks]

Robin is the best choice for moveset diversity. Considering the success of the avatar character in Awakening, it's possible that the tactician class and avatar role will appear in future games (with a different scenario of course). Meaning that the inclusion of Robin might have more staying power. Of course, in this case I would prefer Robin to be called the Tactician.