You get no Sympathy in a "Fire Emblem Discussion"

[Thane of Blue Flames]

You forgot Elibe.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

You forgot Elibe.

I love Elibe but it isn't as big as Akenia let alone Jugdral or even Tellius....

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Define "big". Elibe is definitely more popular than Tellius just by the Tellius games' dismal sales. Which I am very unhappy about.

 

[ppbto]

Personally, the only thing I want now from Fire Emblem is Ike (Tellius games are awesome) and maybe Roy or Lyn.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Personally, the only thing I want now from Fire Emblem is Ike (Tellius games are awesome) and maybe Roy or Lyn.

Tellius are the only two I've played, and they are both two of my favorite games, hence why I want Ike and Micaiah.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Link FE4 & 5 into one game,

Do you want the cast from FE5 to become playable in FE4? Because if so, that would be almost as bad as FE11/12 in terms of unit redundancy.

Though I wouldn't mind a few FE5 characters showing up in FE4(namely Othin & Halvan, FE4 needs more Axe Users!), I think that the two games should remain separate.

 

[Diddy Kong]

No not all of them, just mix the two games into one game and make it work somehow. Some FE5 characters could be playable, like Bridgett or whatever her FE5 name is.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Define "big". Elibe is definitely more popular than Tellius just by the Tellius games' dismal sales. Which I am very unhappy about.

Well, I guess you know what I meant with big, the Detail and the size of content put in Tellius is huge compared to Elibe...the only continents that rival Tellius is Jugdral and it's not even as grand and as big....

Do you want the cast from FE5 to become playable in FE4? Because if so, that would be almost as bad as FE11/12 in terms of unit redundancy.

Though I wouldn't mind a few FE5 characters showing up in FE4(namely Othin & Halvan, FE4 needs more Axe Users!), I think that the two games should remain separate.

FE 5 cast is definitely way better then FE4 in term of diversity, FE4 had the most redundant units I ever seen my life, the only good thing in FE4 was character relationships and the Huge maps....OFC that's considered an opinion so don't rain fire over my head....

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Well, I guess you know what I meant with big, the Detail and the size of content put in Tellius is huge compared to Elibe...the only continents that rival Tellius is Jugdral and it's not even as grand and as big....

Yeah, comparing my experience with Elibe and Tellius, I felt I knew more about Tellius by a wide margin. After the first few chapters of PoR, you got a good feel of the continent, with you knowing your part of Crimea which is in dire state of leader, and Daein is waging a war. By the mid-Late game, I can easily state all the major regions of the continent (Crimea, Daein, Begnion, Gallia, Goldoa, Phoenicias, might of forgot a minor one oh well) and how the culture in it is.

Elibe on the other, even now I only remember the names of a few parts of the continent. Like 3 (Pharae, Ostia, and ... forgot the name.... while typing it's Lyn's home.) Maybe, it was because I wasn't as enthralled by the story as much as PoR. Only focusing on the units and gameplay most of the time.

Yet, this is just me, I wouldn't be surprised if some people are the opposite.

 

[Shotguner159]

FE4 had the most redundant units I ever seen my life,

Really? Not Shadow Dragon and New Mystery?

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Ostian Alliance, Bern, Ilia, Sacae, Etruria, Nabata Desert, Western Isles. Caelin, Pharae and Ostia were all within the Ostian Alliance.

Elibe was f***ing awesome. I'm still trying to work up the nerves to finish the next couple of chapters of FE6 just so I can experience more of the continent. It's an amazing journey through a war-torn continent while trying to secure legendary weapons to fend off a dragon invasion.

And it's a testament to Roy's suckitude at how he can, with some help from equally s****y units, f*** it all up.

 

[Croph]

Ostia x Pharae OTP. <3

Spoiler

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Ew ew ew ew ew no

Hector deserves much better

 

[Robert of Normandy]

And it's a testament to Roy's suckitude at how he can, with some help from equally s****y units, f*** it all up.

Okay, I'm curious.

I've heard you say that you think every unit in FE6 not named Percival and Miredy/Milady sucks. I'm curious as to exactly what criteria you used to determine that units like Alan/Lance, Rutger, Deke, Saul, Niime, Shin, and Marcus* are considered "bad?"

*yes, FE6 Marcus is good. He's absolutely necessary to survive the early chapters of FE6 hard mode. Just because he can't solo the game like FE7!Marcus or Seth doesn't mean he's not good.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Ew ew ew ew ew no

Hector deserves much better

Like the scary green haired lady?

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Like the scary green haired lady?

Or that blue haired chick that fell on him?

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Okay, I'm curious.

I've heard you say that you think every unit in FE6 not named Percival and Miredy/Milady sucks. I'm curious as to exactly what criteria you used to determine that units like Alan/Lance, Rutger, Deke, Saul, Niime, Shin, and Marcus* are considered "bad?"

*yes, FE6 Marcus is good. He's absolutely necessary to survive the early chapters of FE6 hard mode. Just because he can't solo the game like FE7!Marcus or Seth doesn't mean he's not good.

The hell are you on? Alance are how I tolerate the beginning levels of the game and Rutger and Deke are godsends.

I said Percival and Miledy are some of the few good units you get, I never said the list was exhaustive.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I was always the person that did support the idea of Roy and Lilina together.

I know people with their shippings are going to label some other pairing that is superior or something, but I think the best kind of pairings are the ones that actually have connections since childhood. Because it shows experience and passion with how two people know each other, even during the darkest of times.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

The hell are you on? Alance are how I tolerate the beginning levels of the game and Rutger and Deke are godsends.

I said Percival and Miledy are some of the few good units you get, I never said the list was exhaustive.

One of the biggest issues with Roy though is that he is by and far the most lackluster unit you'll use. FE6 already has many mechanical issues: Thrones too strong, maps too large [this is somewhat subjective though] and weapons too inaccurate, coupled with wave after wave of sucky units with terrible bases and growths. You can cobble together a passable team, certainly, but you really have to struggle until the later chapters where Percival and Minerva descend from the Heavens to deliver thee from suffering until the good units roll in.

You may not have said that outright, but the implication was certainly there. Sorry if I misunderstood.

And you got Milady's name wrong.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

I tend to use strong language with regards to FE6 so I can see how I came across. My point is that the ratio of good or even usable units to bad ones in FE6 is much smaller than the ratio in other FE games I've played. FE9 in particular has this syndrome where you can make a good team out of anyone and no one is really strictly bench material. FE10 has the Dawn Brigade but they don't feel particularly underpowered in the first 10 chapters. When you revisit them later, though, I have to rely on Jill pretty heavily.

EDIT: If/when I eventually work up the nerve to soldier on in FE6, I plan to baby/RNG hax the hell out of Lilina. The daughter of Hector deserves no less. I also plan to support Roy/Lilina. The daughter of Hector deserves much better, but it is how it should be in-universe.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

FE9 in particular has this syndrome where you can make a good team out of anyone and no one is really strictly bench material.

*cough* Lucia *cough* Bastian *cough* Sothe *cough* Rolf *cough*

 

[Diddy Kong]

I always pair Roy with Lilinia to. But that's mostly out of confinience, and I think it makes the most sence. Some of my favorite units in FE6 are Alan, Lance, Roy (yes I think he's quite usable- if his grows work then again FE6 has troll growths in general- nice dodging for mest shielding, and later on: his lack of Strenght allows for babying other characters for EXP) Lilinia, Rutger, Dieck, Sue / Shin, Gonzales, Enchidna (at times, but her Weapon EXP certainly is useful, just hope her Strenght grows), Ray and Miledy. I sometimes use Percival to, and if I feel like raising Fir I never end up dissapointed either. Zeiss is also cool but takes long to level, but that Strenght is nice. Wade also ended up amazing once for me. Posted pics of my Wade from last playthrough earlier in this thread.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

*cough* Lucia *cough* Bastian *cough* Sothe *cough* Rolf *cough*

What are you talking about from what I recall Rolf in my opinion, is the best Archer/sniper in both games. He's just gets criticals all the time with that high skill.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

What are you talking about from what I recall Rolf in my opinion, is the best Archer/sniper in both games. He's just gets criticals all the time with that high skill.

His bases are garbage, like almost every FE archer. His growth aren't spectacular either (his growth's are almost identical to Wolt's actually, with only slightly higher Spd, Def, and Res growths). Plus he joins fairly late, with his only saving grace being able to kill Ravens over the next few chapters. You could feed him kills and BEXP, but why would you do that to him when there are other units who are already better than him that you could start turning into monsters?

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Sothe is usable in the sense that it's a good idea to baby him for Radiant Dawn. Also Thief utility.

Rolf is someone I personally never use but I've seen others use Sniper Rolf to great success.

Lucia and Bastian is the closest we get to true bench material, actually. Still, notice how that's two out of the whole cast?

 

[Fire Emblemier]

His bases are garbage, like almost every FE archer. His growth aren't spectacular either (his growth's are almost identical to Wolt's actually, with only slightly higher Spd, Def, and Res growths). Plus he joins fairly late, with his only saving grace being able to kill Ravens over the next few chapters. You could feed him kills and BEXP, but why would you do that to him when there are other units who are already better than him that you could start turning into monsters?

I mostly used him since you don't get another bow user in a long while, so by the time I got to someone like Shinon, Rolf already outclassed him by a longshot. I didn't say Astrid, since she is mostly the same as Rolf, but is closer to the "Est" than Rolf. In RD that's a different story, it's more of use whoever you like type of thing. All 3 archers can be good, it's really who you honestly prefer using.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

I mostly used him since you don't get another bow user in a long while, so by the time I got to someone like Shinon, Rolf already outclassed him by a longshot. I didn't say Astrid, since she is mostly the same as Rolf, but is closer to the "Est" than Rolf. In RD that's a different story, it's more of use whoever you like type of thing. All 3 archers can be good, it's really who you honestly prefer using.

> Paragon
> Est

Tsk, tsk. Using Astrid is an extremely good idea, my good man. Very few units gain a level per kill when you baby them.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Sothe is usable in the sense that it's a good idea to baby him for Radiant Dawn. Also Thief utility.

Sothe will be good in RD regardless of transfer. Besides, you might not be playing for transfer bonuses.

And as far as Thief utility goes, Volke has that covered.

Rolf is someone I personally never use but I've seen others use Sniper Rolf to great success.

See above.

Lucia and Bastian is the closest we get to true bench material, actually. Still, notice how that's two out of the whole cast?

FE6 still isn't the worst with regards to filler/bench units. Go play FE12 with its, like, 50 million useless Cavaliers.

And honestly, I think the number/ratio of useless/bench-worthy units in FE6 is around the same as in FE7.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Sothe can turn out to be a decent unit. He just fails against the many enemies with high Defence in the end later on. In the Tower of the Goddess there are just too many Generals and Halberdiers for him to effectively damage them. Definitely useful all-around I feel. FE9 is another story, Volke is just far better in every way, and a way better option.

Rolf > Shinon in FE9, but in FE10 it's the other way around, by far. Even though Rolf doesn't dissapoint, Shinon has better Skill so criticals a lot. The few points of Strenght won't bother me especially with the Double Bow. Shinon absolutely wrecks ****.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I mostly used him since you don't get another bow user in a long while, so by the time I got to someone like Shinon, Rolf already outclassed him by a longshot. I didn't say Astrid, since she is mostly the same as Rolf, but is closer to the "Est" than Rolf.

Astrid joins, like, 4-5 chapters after Rolf. She's hardly an Est because of her join time and paragon.

Also, Archers with Canto >>>>>> Archers without Canto.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Anyone else thinks FE9 had the best mechanics in the all the games? Canto, Skills, level 21 for promotion, the whole shebang? I'd only really want FE7's magic system to make a return. And third tier units would be cool, too.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Astrid is a lot better in FE9 than in FE10 I feel. She's quite underleveled when's he joins in FE10. And the oppertunities for to level her up are worse.

Also FE9 indeed had the best system! Which also makes it the best game in the series.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Don't care. I always use her in Radiant Dawn. And maybe I'm just insanely lucky but in both my FE10 runs she and Jill have max'd out every stats. Including HP and WEXP.

I'm loyal to my soldiers, dammit.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

> Paragon
> Est

Tsk, tsk. Using Astrid is an extremely good idea, my good man. Very few units gain a level per kill when you baby them.

Yeah she especially is good when she promotes, as you ckeck to see what weapon is under-saturated in your team, and allow her to use that. In my most recent run I gave her axes.

Astrid joins, like, 4-5 chapters after Rolf. She's hardly an Est because of her join time and paragon.

Also, Archers with Canto >>>>>> Archers without Canto.

That's why I said "close" if anyone's a Est in PoR I would put it as Elincia. Yet, she comes way too late to even bother in PoR.

Astrid is a lot better in FE9 than in FE10 I feel. She's quite underleveled when's he joins in FE10. And the oppertunities for to level her up are worse.

Also FE9 indeed had the best system! Which also makes it the best game in the series.

Yeah, she could be good, yet, they don't give enogh time to use her, so it isn't worth it. Your better off just choosing one of the Griel mercenary paladins. In RD I choose to use Titania. Which is probably because in my first run in PoR she was my favorite unit. Keep in mind this was my first time with FE so I didn't know that Prepromotes aren't that good.

Anyone else thinks FE9 had the best mechanics in the all the games? Canto, Skills, level 21 for promotion, the whole shebang? I'd only really want FE7's magic system to make a return. And third tier units would be cool, too.

I really hope FE14, has most or even all of the mechanics of 9 and 10 to return. Sadly it's mostly likely a pipe dream. We'll sadly most likely have Awakening 2.0 with over saturation in magic spells and broken pair system.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Am always upset with FE10's Jill... I don't like leveling her up too much. And she doesn't compare to Haar at all. It's like, almost comparing Shinon with Leonardo. I like how she has Axes, but I really need a Seraph Robe for her when training her. And her lack of Strenght is just really dishearting.

I also don't like how Oscar is worse in FE10. In FE9, he's a beast. Soren is a little worse in FE10, but I still always end up using him cause he's awesome. His great Skill makes Adept activate a lot, and his Master Skill. He'd a great healer to, and awesome support for Ike. Titania I feel, is better in FE10 than 9. Boyd is great in both, but starts off quite bad in FE10, but I still enjoy raising him.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I really hope FE14, has most or even all of the mechanics of 9 and 10 to return. Sadly it's mostly likely a pipe dream. We'll sadly most likely have Awakening 2.0 with over saturation in magic spells and broken pair system.

Don't forget people never shutting up about shipping.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'd like a FE9 and FE10 bundle remake the best.

 

[•Col•]

I was always the person that did support the idea of Roy and Lilina together.

I know people with their shippings are going to label some other pairing that is superior or something, but I think the best kind of pairings are the ones that actually have connections since childhood. Because it shows experience and passion with how two people know each other, even during the darkest of times.

Agreed. Roy/Lilina is one of my more favorite FE pairings.

 

[The Curious Volnutt]

Quick question, why do most longtime fans of fire emblem seem to hate/dislike Awakening? This is a legitimate question because I've played very few of the games so I'm not all that knowledgeable.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Shallower story, shallower characters, shallower gameplay with many balance issues. Not really very well representative of Fire Emblem as a series, not even close to the best Fire Emblem has to offer. It's an okay game, but it's not the best in the series and too many people tout it as that.