You get no Sympathy in a "Fire Emblem Discussion"

[Hong]

My favourite lord is Marth, of course. I started the series with the third entry, and as a result it sits strong in my heart. Plus: He is the original. Most of the lords after him are just doing what he has already done. Marth's beliefs most reflect the player. How much he values every life, how he responds to betrayal, how he is reasonable about his ability to set goals and fulfill them.

Next up is Ike. He is very much unlike Marth. His lack of noble bearing really reflects onto his personality. We get a man very honest about who he is and his opinions, in a world full of prideful, pompous, pretentious fools. Ike says it as it is. He had great reasons for how he reacted to the Begnion senate, and he never stood down on them. That said, he did start off very immature and irresponsible, and we got to see Ike mature very quickly over the course of Path of Radiance.

The Awakening cast is nice in that the characters have much more flavour overall than the series has seen prior. The three leads, in my opinion, are leagues ahead of a vast amount of the lords prior. While I like all three, I found Lucina to be the most emotionally engaging. I would love for another game with her.

I can't say I care for the statistics of a unit, either. I would say Ike set the standards for what a lord is meant to be, though the sample size has been too small to say if mercenary-esque lords are here to stay. I kind of liked having lords that couldn't handle every combat situation by themselves.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

My favorite Lords are Ike, Lucina, Lyn, Hector and Marth, in that order. Marth is mostly on that list because of how awesome he was in Melee/is in every Smash game, but I'm playing through FE11 right now. Haven't found much in the way of characterization, though.

 

[Hong]

I should also give a love shout out to Leif. He reminds me of Ike in that he changed quite a bit over his journey. Where as Ike became more mature and level-headed, Leif got a better grip of the reality and learned to become more responsible. The writers deliberately had him make some painfully bad decisions at the beginning, but by the end he really came into his own. It helps if you had played FE4 to tell more of his story.

 

[Jaedrik]

Oh, I should have mentioned this earlier, but Sacred Stones is being speedran at AGDQ right now (started at like 8 central time)
I learned that Seth is a boss and Erika is useless.
http://www.twitch.tv/speeddemosarchivesda

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

Sorry that I'm a bit late to the conversation, but why do some people not like Micaiah? Just curious...

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Sorry that I'm a bit late to the conversation, but why do some people not like Micaiah? Just curious...

Because of part 4 I think, where she comes off as a Mary Sue to some. I think, I never thought of her as that sue-ish.

 

[Shotguner159]

Micaiah and Lucina are my favourite lords, and contrary to most of you I dislike Ike, at least partly because of his fanbase going on about how awesome he is constantly has soured my opinion on him, though I never did like him all that much anyway.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

Because of part 4 I think, where she comes off as a Mary Sue to some. I think, I never thought of her as that sue-ish.

Seriously? I feel the same with you on that one. Don't understand that logic. She's the host of the goddess Yune and has actually improved as a unit. If people think she's sue-ish, they should look at Lord Ike from PoR. He can take down several units just himself.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

I too like Micaiah, but broken unit =/= Sue-ish. I think they mostly base that on ... I don't know, exactly, could someone else explain? I think Micaiah is fine so I don't know why people hate her.

Lord Ike ain't a sue, though, just a one-man army.

Final chapter, hard mode.
"Okay, let's split the forces into three groups. Group 1 is Ike. Group 2 is Jill. Group 3 is everyone else."

 

[Shotguner159]

Micaiah is frequently called a Sue because she shares a few obvious traits with Mary Sue characters, like a unique hair colour and special abilities, though the people who do call her a Sue ignore the things that would disprove that accusation.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Ike is a great character. I don't know what you guys are talking about.

On a Smash related note, I'd be fine with just Marth and Ike again. I don't care who ends up the newcomer (if we get one at all) as long as Ike gets in before them.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Ike is a great character. I don't know what you guys are talking about.

You haven't played RD yet.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

You haven't played RD yet.

I haven't played it no. Why, is he bad in that one?

 

[Diddy Kong]

He isn't actually.

 

[Rouge]

If by bad you mean amazing, then yes he is very, very bad.

 

[UltimateWario]

I feel like there might be some bias towards Ike in here.

Might just be me.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

Eh. Ike can die quickly if you're not careful in Part 4. I can't count the number of times Lehran and his spirits have killed him. I love the guy, but magic kills him in RD.

 

[Diddy Kong]

The Spirits never did much damage to Ike for me though. Most of the time, Ike avoided their attacks. And if not, be sure to place him on those spots with +Res. Speaking of, thought that part of the Tower of the Goddess was pretty lame. It would've been a lot more challenging if enemies actually had AI to deal with the piles that give you defensive bonusses. Would've made it a lot harder, especially the fight with the Black Knight.

 

[Niko Mar]

Who wants to talk about Sacred Stones ? That seems like the least talked about FE IMO (of the ones that came to America).

The kinda sad thing is how Ephraim would be the perfect character for Smash (primarily using a lance and all). Even though I support Chrom, I would rather have Ephraim 'cause lances are awesome .

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ephraim would be cool yes. But he won't happen most likely. His animations unpromoted would be wicked for Smash. But again, it's highly unlikely.

Did like some aspects from Sacred Stones, but overall the game was just too easy. I really love a few of the new classes though. For example, Summoners. And the trainee classes (especially Ross and Amelia).

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Nah, the least talked about FE is probably FE6 for good reason

 

[UltimateWario]

I think being able to choose what classes promoted into was one of the best ideas in the series.

I'm glad they finally wised up with Awakening and brought it back. Hopefully it'll be a series staple from now on.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

Huh. You know, I've always wondered about Sacred Stones and RD when it comes to classes. Aren't they the only games with three classes? The Dawn Brigade is one example.

 

[Niko Mar]

Ephraim would be cool yes. But he won't happen most likely. His animations unpromoted would be wicked for Smash. But again, it's highly unlikely.

Did like some aspects from Sacred Stones, but overall the game was just too easy. I really love a few of the new classes though. For example, Summoners. And the trainee classes (especially Ross and Amelia).

That's why it's kinda sad. The game pretty much came and went. Probably the only chance Ephraim had was to get into Brawl first.

The summoner class was definitely one of my favorites though, it was just too cool.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Three classes? RD is the only game with 3 tier classes. Sacred Stones got a split promotion system. It's not the same at all.

 

[Shotguner159]

Actually FE2 had 3 Tier classes first.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I haven't played it no. Why, is he bad in that one?

I'm not talking about him as a unit. He gets a lot of criticism of being a Gary Stu in RD due to all the praise and respect he gets from almost all the characters in the game.

Granted, if you played PoR it is somewhat understandable that he earned that respect.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I'm not talking about him as a unit. He gets a lot of criticism of being a Gary Stu in RD due to all the praise and respect he gets from almost all the characters in the game.

Granted, if you played PoR it is somewhat understandable that he earned that respect.

I was going to say. He proves himself quite a bit on PoR. He doesn't need to prove anything necessarily.

I figured you meant as a character himself. Character development isn't something that needs to exist at all times. RD is basically a continuation of PoR anyway.

I like Ike.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Speaking of Ike's incarnations, assuming he returns, do you think he should stay in his ranger get up or change to something else? The lord look? The explosively beefy RD look? The "WTF was the character designer thinking" Awakening look? A composite? Thoughts?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Speaking of Ike's incarnations, assuming he returns, do you think he should stay in his ranger get up or change to something else? The lord look? The explosively beefy RD look? The "WTF was the character designer thinking" Awakening look? A composite? Thoughts?

Whatever his default appearance in RD is probably.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Hero Ike from Radiant Dawn would be a great option if they want a more recent design that's more easily regonisable. Think I would like that design best to to be honest.

 

[jaytalks]

Sorry that I'm a bit late to the conversation, but why do some people not like Micaiah? Just curious...

that's not why for me. I just really don't like her opening scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2WyRYCpoAM
She needs to get saved by Sothe? Bleh. Sets the wrong tone for her in the story. I said don't like she was written. I like Micaiah as a character and as a design a lot. She's not really a Mary Sue and that term is definitely overused.

As for my other two favorites, it really depends on which games I've played most recently. My second favorite would be Ike, and my third favorite would be either Hector or Lyn. The lord personalities are so clearly designed after traditional manga shoenen heroes that I really dont care about there generic personalities. I just think that's how the series is.

 

[Niko Mar]

I wonder when FE will get a villain rep though? Black Knight would be a good choice (given that he's reoccurring, easily recognizable, and the sheer amount of possible Monty Python jokes), but how many games will it take before Smash gets an FE villain?

 

[UltimateWario]

I wonder when FE will get a villain rep though? Black Knight would be a good choice (given that he's reoccurring, easily recognizable, and the sheer amount of possible Monty Python jokes), but how many games will it take before Smash gets an FE villain?

An infinite amount.

I honestly believe that we'll never see anything but Lords in Smash.

 

[Hong]

I wonder when FE will get a villain rep though? Black Knight would be a good choice (given that he's reoccurring, easily recognizable, and the sheer amount of possible Monty Python jokes), but how many games will it take before Smash gets an FE villain?

Cervantes

Short, heavy, wields axes.

B: Pavise
Activates a barrier that grants super-armour against weak attacks, but decreases his speed and jump ability. Lasts for 6 seconds and has no animation.

B Forward: Body
While grounded, this move serves as a face-diver (like the General critical). This functionality inherits running momentum, and briefly grants super armour. In the air, Cervantes does a flip before dropping to deliver a butt pound.

B Down: Moustache Counter
Cervantes will stand proud and his moustache will block any attack for a short time-frame. Should the enemy attack, the moustache tangles them and Cervantes gets a free grab.

B Up: Moustache Flight
Cervantes' moustache flaps, granting him flight. This works like Wings of Icarus.

 

[Niko Mar]

Cervantes

Short, heavy, wields axes.

B: Pavise
Activates a barrier that grants super-armour against weak attacks, but decreases his speed and jump ability. Lasts for 6 seconds and has no animation.

B Forward: Body
While grounded, this move serves as a face-diver (like the General critical). This functionality inherits running momentum, and briefly grants super armour. In the air, Cervantes does a flip before dropping to deliver a butt pound.

B Down: Moustache Counter
Cervantes will stand proud and his moustache will block any attack for a short time-frame. Should the enemy attack, the moustache tangles them and Cervantes gets a free grab.

B Up: Moustache Flight
Cervantes' moustache flaps, granting him flight. This works like Wings of Icarus.

For a second I thought you meant Soul Calibur Cervantes . Nice moveset though .

Who we really need is Nergal:

Spoiler

 

[Mirron]

Honestly, barring Gharnef (who I count solely due to being the first villain (Medeus seems less likely)) I can't see us getting a villain. I'd love to see Lyon playable, but I'm probably alone in that. We may get someone from Awakening, if just because there is a potential villain there they may go with, but I don't see it happening.

 

[Sharkarat]

Honestly, barring Gharnef (who I count solely due to being the first villain (Medeus seems less likely)) I can't see us getting a villain. I'd love to see Lyon playable, but I'm probably alone in that. We may get someone from Awakening, if just because there is a potential villain there they may go with, but I don't see it happening.

Your not the only one, I also want Lyon.

 

[Mirron]

I think part of it is really liking the Necromancer class. Dark Magic was always my favorite, Shaman/Druids were a ton of fun (not liking Dark Mages/Sorcerer's though really) for me. And Lyon was just a more tragic villain. Plus it'd give us a mage and give Magvell some representation. Ideally, I'd like to see the various continents of Fire Emblem get some representation in Smash, but I know that won't happen.

 

[Sharkarat]

Haven't played Fire Emblem and don't really care for him as a character, I just want a necromancer in smash.
I'm thinking about trying to make a moveset for him.