You get no Sympathy in a "Fire Emblem Discussion"

[jaytalks]

That's a pretty good B move, so its a start.

I don't see what's exciting about using a levin sword.(Blue's moveset) Zelda already has a warp recovery, it wouldn't be anything new playstyle wise imo. She sounds like a ZZS with a stun sword with zelda's recovery. But again its best that we stop this and just talk about something else....

I'm just wondering. Did you play Awakening?

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I'm just wondering. Did you play Awakening?

I've played every fire emblem, thanks to my step sister even the Japanese ones. Its my 2nd favorite franchise, kirby is my favorite. I'm not some FE casual if that's your impression just because I don't like anna.

As for awakening, Yes I have, and I didn't see the potential. Just an annoying merchant that pops up in every game and barely does anything. just like omochao kinda did with sonic. Plus in awakening, she's a back up healer at best, not really good to use.

My favorite 3ds game is awakening so far, you could see it if you were on my 3ds friends list.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I'm just wondering. Did you play Awakening?

Of course he did, his waifu is in it.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Even in Awakening I've always felt Anna fills a Nurse Joy kinda role. Always there, never really does much. Yeah she's recruitable in Awakneing, but the majority of her appearances whether via DLC or Merchant isn't that much.

 

[Niko Mar]

You know what? **** main character duos. Maggie/Rose duo for Smash 4.

I think you mean Vincent and Victor .

Or old Paul/Jasmine with Maggie/Rose as costumes.

Paul: "My dear Jasmine, we should dispose of these hooligans at once."
Jasmine: "What?"
Paul: "We needn't even wield our true strength against them, just look at that pitiful pink one. "
Jasmine: "What'd you say?"
Paul: "Yes brother, this fight will be absolutely delightful."
Jasmine: "Huh?"

 

[jaytalks]

I've played every fire emblem, thanks to my step sister. Its my 2nd favorite franchise, kirby is my favorite. I'm not some FE casual if that's your impression just because I don't like anna.

As for awakening, Yes I have, and I didn't see the potential. Just an annoying merchant that pops up in every game and barely does anything. just like omochao kinda did with sonic. Plus in awakening, she's a back up healer at best, not really good to use.

My favorite 3ds game is awakening so far, you could see it if you were on my 3ds friends list.

Oh no. I didnt think that. Most of the moves that BluePikmin11 used just came from that game, so I was wondering. I didnt think you were casual fan (but truthfully that stuff doesnt really matter to me).

The way I look at it is most FE sword newcomers dont stand out from each other in any major way (other than Robin), so I dont really see a new playstyle being an obstacle. Sakurai will come up with the unique playstyle. I cant see any of us coming up with anything really unique up to Sakurai's standards (although some have come close).

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Oh no. I didnt think that. Most of the moves that BluePikmin11 used just came from that game, so I was wondering. I didnt think you were casual fan (but truthfully that stuff doesnt really matter to me).

The way I look at it is most FE sword newcomers dont stand out from each other in any major way (other than Robin), so I dont really see a new playstyle being an obstacle. Sakurai will come up with the unique playstyle. I cant see any of us coming up with anything really unique up to Sakurai's standards (although some have come close).

imo lyn flashy playstyle/or roy's revamped ph1r3, heck even duo chrom+lucy ala MVC stands out more than the movesets I've seen for anna. I haven't come across one that would blow me away.

But your right, sakurai will choose whoever he wishes and make that character awesome.

Plus lyn's gonna be in PM anyway if she isn't in smash 4

 

[Rouge]

I don't believe in Anna at all. She was an optional character, after all. I know she was in most of the games in very minor roles, but I doubt that's enough. Maybe if she somehow (actually) tied up all FE universes together she'd have more of a claim to the title.

To my great dismay, Lyn is very unlikely too. If Smash WiiU/3DS were made by North Americans, she'd be a shoo-in because her relevance in the West in undeniable, but... let's face it, Sakurai doesn't give a fudge about the non-Japanese market.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

I believe in Harvey Dent.

Anyone think Sacred Stones has a shot at a rep, given that it's available on the 3DS?

 

[FlareHabanero]

You know, I would more enthusiastic over the idea of Lyn if it wasn't for the option of Takamaru also being available.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

You know, I would more enthusiastic over the idea of Lyn if it wasn't for the option of Takamaru also being available.

Their sword styles are totally different though, based of SW3, takamaru seems like more of a Silver samurai to me, something like Mitsurugi from SC would fit him perfectly. imo

Lyn lai style is faster, and only unsheathes her blade when she is ready to strike, something ala vergil from MVC3 would probably suit her well imo.

I'm glad that manly made a moveset for her, she can be very deep and flashy playstyle wise.

 

[Hong]

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+1 for Fire Emblem Horseback Riding.

We had the Year of Luigi. Now it is the Year of the Horse.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Not yet. Think Chinese new year is somewhere in February? And the only 'horse' I could see featured as a Nintendo promotional year is Yoshi.

 

[Hong]

Not yet. Think Chinese new year is somewhere in February? And the only 'horse' I could see featured as a Nintendo promotional year is Yoshi.

Yes, I am aware of the lunar new year, as I do celebrate it.

Of course I did jest. I don't think it will be acknowledged in any way by Nintendo, aside from the Zodiac Horse given out this year in AC.

 

[Jaedrik]

Anna has no prominent role, only to be an annoying merchant that shows up everywhere. Marth is the face of FE not anna.

Only pleb tier FE scrubs can say this, obviously everyone outside calls Marth the mascot, nobody in-series can displace Anna of that grand title!
Did I mention that Awakening was my first FE game? I-I'm working on the others, okay?
Yes, I'm aware of Marth's iconic nature, but it is more appropriate, and indeed in line with the title she receives from Serene's forest and Japanese marketing, the 'mascot' of Fire Emblem, she's not pushed as a story icon, though, which is entirely different in my mind.

Sounds like random objects to me
So can lyn, only better.
Also Levin sword would be a spammy ranged attack, meh.
And rescue doesn't work on the user. It would be weird.
Lol when is this gonna stop?

Regardless of random objections and silliness aside, Anna does have something that none of the other possible inclusions do: lances.
And who says Levin sword would be a spammy ranged attack, so says you! Don't be so deterministic, my friend, can I not easily say that Lyn's bow attack would be her neutral special and that it would be spammy and stupid? What bearing on reality would it have if I turned out to be wrong? I think such assumptions are not to be considered. You might think it likely that a type of move would only have some sort of outcome, but Levin sword could have so much more, it can reflect tomes perfectly after all.

Aether is supposed to heal, and doesn't work like how Ike uses it, is this a problem? Nope, Sakurai does what he wants! I bet he will mold staffs to his will just as liberally as any other FE move he's adjusted or made up.

It'll never stop as long as I'm around. At least, I hope :O

@BluePikmin11 I'm gonna need a bit more moveset than that.
Two anna supporters are on me when this was a 1 on 1 super.

NOW YOU HAVE MORE TO DEAL WITH!

Er, yeah, you should totally check out the Anna thread, we have about three or so awesome movesets there.
Granted, we're short on movesets that've really inspired people, but I must maintain this point that there is certainly more potential in Anna than most!

Maybe, though you should at least have some thing involving gold, since she's a goldidgger might as well make her character moveset funny.
Forgot about them, silly me.

While I agree that silliness could and should be worked into Anna, Jaytalks and I had a huge discussion about capitalism and Anna's honorability and we concluded via argument from analogy by Tom Nook that he is far more a crook and Anna's business practices are incredibly respectful and fair and stuff and errrhnnngh. Golddigger my foot, you seen that male Avatar support?!

I haven't come across one that would blow me away.
But your right, sakurai will choose whoever he wishes and make that character awesome.
Plus lyn's gonna be in PM anyway if she isn't in smash 4

Sir, I do not think that you'd ever come across one that'd blow you away! Lyn's moveset didn't blow me away, I wasn't particularly impressed, you see? I think it's about how open one is to the character in the first place, if you close yourself off there will be nothing to impress you with. At least, that's what I have experienced :O
And Amen, Sakurai does as Sakurai does, and it will be awesome. For the record, I view Lyn as a cool character, her moveset in my mind is based on Iaijutsu, but that' it, I'm horrible at exampling my archetypal schema from my mind

I don't believe in Anna at all. She was an optional character, after all. I know she was in most of the games in very minor roles, but I doubt that's enough. Maybe if she somehow (actually) tied up all FE universes together she'd have more of a claim to the title.

no u
You read mah essay, bruh? (Lord knows there are better amalgamations of the very argument before us, likely in the Anna thread.)
Anna does tie all the universes together, Outrealm gate sucka!

 

[FalKoopa]

Well, I finished Sacred Stones a few days before. 294 turns in total.

How good/bad is it?

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Well, I finished Sacred Stones a few days before. 294 turns in total.

How good/bad is it?

The game, or your turn count?

 

[FalKoopa]

The game, or your turn count?

The total turn count.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

The total turn count.

Oh.

*shrugs* I dunno. Don't usually give a crap about my turn counts unless there's some sort of TC requirement for a gaiden chapter or something.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

You know, I would more enthusiastic over the idea of Lyn if it wasn't for the option of Takamaru also being available.

How come?

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Someone's excited....

Not now bro, had a long day. I'll get to it when I feel like it, or I probably will just nod and not even rebuttal. lol

 

[FlareHabanero]

How come?

Why should I go for Lyn when I can apply the same thing for Takamaru?

I mean, aside from the obvious woman things.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I'm gonna say it again.....

Their styles are totally different. but w/e. I like takamaru too.

But wait..... if isaac is a better choice than robin. Takamaru over lyn supposedly, chrom is meh by himself...... does that mean the only options are roy or chrom+lucina?

 

[FlareHabanero]

The only option is that everyone loses.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Only pleb tier FE scrubs can say this, obviously everyone outside calls Marth the mascot, nobody in-series can displace Anna of that grand title!
Did I mention that Awakening was my first FE game? I-I'm working on the others, okay?
Yes, I'm aware of Marth's iconic nature, but it is more appropriate, and indeed in line with the title she receives from Serene's forest and Japanese marketing, the 'mascot' of Fire Emblem, she's not pushed as a story icon, though, which is entirely different in my mind.

Regardless of random objections and silliness aside, Anna does have something that none of the other possible inclusions do: lances.
And who says Levin sword would be a spammy ranged attack, so says you! Don't be so deterministic, my friend, can I not easily say that Lyn's bow attack would be her neutral special and that it would be spammy and stupid? What bearing on reality would it have if I turned out to be wrong? I think such assumptions are not to be considered. You might think it likely that a type of move would only have some sort of outcome, but Levin sword could have so much more, it can reflect tomes perfectly after all.

Aether is supposed to heal, and doesn't work like how Ike uses it, is this a problem? Nope, Sakurai does what he wants! I bet he will mold staffs to his will just as liberally as any other FE move he's adjusted or made up.

It'll never stop as long as I'm around. At least, I hope :O

NOW YOU HAVE MORE TO DEAL WITH!

Er, yeah, you should totally check out the Anna thread, we have about three or so awesome movesets there.
Granted, we're short on movesets that've really inspired people, but I must maintain this point that there is certainly more potential in Anna than most!

While I agree that silliness could and should be worked into Anna, Jaytalks and I had a huge discussion about capitalism and Anna's honorability and we concluded via argument from analogy by Tom Nook that he is far more a crook and Anna's business practices are incredibly respectful and fair and stuff and errrhnnngh. Golddigger my foot, you seen that male Avatar support?!

Sir, I do not think that you'd ever come across one that'd blow you away! Lyn's moveset didn't blow me away, I wasn't particularly impressed, you see? I think it's about how open one is to the character in the first place, if you close yourself off there will be nothing to impress you with. At least, that's what I have experienced :O
And Amen, Sakurai does as Sakurai does, and it will be awesome. For the record, I view Lyn as a cool character, her moveset in my mind is based on Iaijutsu, but that' it, I'm horrible at exampling my archetypal schema from my mind

no u
You read mah essay, bruh? (Lord knows there are better amalgamations of the very argument before us, likely in the Anna thread.)
Anna does tie all the universes together, Outrealm gate sucka!

Oh pls someone who has only played awakening is calling a FE vet a scrub-tier. Do you even FE? get on mah lvl dood

Ephraim or hell even chrom is a better lance user than her. I'm calling it based on the awakening gameplay + no one uses tomes in smash :3

It would make Ike OP, some knub can just spam aether without any consequence if sakurai did that, I still think he should have gotten the projectile though. Who's to say he'll even pick anna?

No pls.... wenbo... stahp.... pls.

No....... D:

But you guys are weird though.... the times I popped in there you had stuff that didn't impress me, I think she should have more thieving attacks since she's a trickster....

Golddigger is correct, she keeps talking about money every time she attacks or levels up, and that support was pure lol "someday i'll love you more than money" lol wut the hell is that?

Sir, I disagree i'm very open to things, its just you guys haven't shown me your best moves yet That's cause you favor anna 2 much. :3
Yes so you'll have no problem when anna isn't chosen then

Yep this is all you get, cause i'm tired.

 

[UltimateWario]

The only option is that everyone loses.

Finally, someone gets it.

 

[jaytalks]

Anna is the mascot for Fire Emblem the same way that Moogles are the mascot for Final Fantasy. Sure, you can say Marth is the mascot and you would be right to say that. You could also say Cloud is the mascot for FF (probably pissing off the SNES FF fans), and that would also be right, because what makes all of these characters (or creatures in the case of Moogles) mascots is that the fanbase identifies them as such.

 

[Rouge]

no u
You read mah essay, bruh? (Lord knows there are better amalgamations of the very argument before us, likely in the Anna thread.)
Anna does tie all the universes together, Outrealm gate sucka!

I think you missed the part where I said actually. I wasn't talking about a meaningless gimmick. I liked Anna better when she was a secret merchant and nothing else.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Finally, someone gets it.

I get it because I ain't a naive twit.

 

[Jaedrik]

Golddigger is correct, she keeps talking about money every time she attacks or levels up, and that support was pure lol "someday i'll love you more than money" lol wut the hell is that?

The whole support was about how she was wrong and you were right, in fact I'd say that the support and the marriage quote are at odds, and the popular interpretation of one of them is wrong. I'd say it's the interpretation of that single phrase that's wrong due to the volume of the support suggesting actual, complete, unconditional love, as she was obviously moved beyond the material gestures. The "keep this up" part of the quote certainly seems to imply this was a rare moment when her greed was usurped by a wholesome love, and indeed that their relationship is a symbol of that overcoming, is it not?

Related:

The only option is that everyone loses.

but muh capitalism

On a side note, I've started to read the PDF of Human Action by Ludwig von Mises, as well as The Church and the Market: A Catholic Defense of the Free Economy.
My gosh, is Human Action more substantial than that wimpy 40 page essay from Mises that I do love. This one clocks in at 881 pages.

I think you missed the part where I said actually. I wasn't talking about a meaningless gimmick. I liked Anna better when she was a secret merchant and nothing else.

If Gangrel, Walhart, Emmeryn etc. coming back is canon, and the various universe's characters knowing lore of other universes (Tellius and Maglevian lore), as most purport, I'd stand by my claim that it is an actual connection, no matter how much I don't like it. I'd kinda like them to remain separate, but the fact of the matter is that Anna (or more accurately, the gates) substantially connects the realms canon-wise.
It's a silly 'gimmick', I suppose, but I have a feeling outrealm gate is here to stay.
Did your like of Anna decrease when you saw support, or just when she became more? I'm willing to bet you'd say the latter, and I'll acknowledge that as the most likely event if you do so.

 

[Rouge]

IDK! I thought it was neat when she played such a small role in most of the games and you didn't quite know who that red-head was... Then Awakening killed the mystery and she became very overbearing when on-screen which seemed so out of character. I like her old appearance more.

 

[Mirron]

There are tons of potential people who could use Lances over Anna. It's also kind of silly to think that's why she'd get in. If she was, she'd almost assuredly be a Trickster. But yeah, I don't really see her as a mascot for Fire Emblem in the slightest, and definitely not even close to the level of Moogles. If I were to go that route it'd be dragons or some such, I think of those when I think of Fire Emblem way more than I think of Anna. I think she has better odds than, say, Henry (random choice), but that doesn't mean I think her odds are good. If she does get in as the sole new FE rep I will be surprised. If she's in with someone else it's at least less surprising.

 

[Starphoenix]

Having played Awakening recently, I really don't see anything special about Anna that would make me want her over any of the other options in the series. She has no interaction with any of the other characters outside of Robin and two others, and wasn't all that great a unit, at least from my experience. She was a neat side character for Awakening; but that's all.

 

[Mirron]

She gets a focus because she's appeared in (more or less, not sure if all) multiple games of the Fire Emblem series. Her role though is, more or less, only of any real note in the first one (kind of I suppose) and Awakening, she's more or less a cameo.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I get it because I ain't a naive twit.

and we all are? pls, though this is your usual shtick so i'm just gonna not take this seriously.

The whole support was about how she was wrong and you were right, in fact I'd say that the support and the marriage quote are at odds, and the popular interpretation of one of them is wrong. I'd say it's the interpretation of that single phrase that's wrong due to the volume of the support suggesting actual, complete, unconditional love, as she was obviously moved beyond the material gestures. The "keep this up" part of the quote certainly seems to imply this was a rare moment when her greed was usurped by a wholesome love, and indeed that their relationship is a symbol of that overcoming, is it not?

It didn't seem like oh keep this up because I love you, its I love you as long as you have money if you don't your pretty much a loser and i'll always have money on my mind no matter what you do. That's how I interpreted it. She didn't overcome her love of money my good man. She was merely toying with the tactician, like she usually does with everyone. that "someday" will never happen. That's how she is.

 

[Hong]

As you all are aware of, the Falchion was drastically redesigned in Awakening.

The Falchion originally began as a rather light sword. Ideal for fast strikes, able to fell an unarmoued enemy effortlessly. Its form is narrow enough to go between plates of armour or break links of chain mail.

The newer Falchion, which I will call the Neo Falchion for the sake of clarity, is vastly different. It is a much heavier and brutish weapon. If it can't break armour, it could break the bones underneath it. It's almost in the same league as the twin blades, Ragnell and Alondite, wielded by Altina.

Is the evolution to the Neo Falchion a potential plot device, or just an artistic re-imagining of the classic sword? While it was slightly retooled in Fire Emblem 11/12, it was not a drastic overhaul as we saw in Awakening. If the weapon was never labelled, I would never know it's the Falchion to begin with.

I would like to imagine there being a number of plots. The Falchion could have been destroyed and reforged, or enchanted with a great magic (think: the transition of the Goddess Sword to the Master Sword).

What is more is: What happened to Alondite? Of course the series has gone through dozens of sacred relics, but the fact Ragnell is still in Beorc hands begs one to wonder where its sister blade is. It is just begging for some kind of plot. I would love to imagine a plot where Alondite falls into the wrong hands, and it's up to the descendants of Ike to challenge its wielder.

Of course, it is also entirely possible that Intelligent Systems just went with the rule of cool and don't really care.

 

[Jaedrik]

It didn't seem like oh keep this up because I love you, its I love you as long as you have money if you don't your pretty much a loser and i'll always have money on my mind no matter what you do. That's how I interpreted it. She didn't overcome her love of money my good man. She was merely toying with the tactician, like she usually does with everyone. that "someday" will never happen. That's how she is.

Then your interpretation was inaccurate. I urge you to watch their support once again, your interpretation is at odds with the obvious meaning of the support itself, and since consistency is incredibly important in everything ever, I have offered an alternative interpretation of the end quote that is consistent with the obvious themes presented in the S support. Notice when she blushes, and think about the words she says before she proposes. Look at this line: "People say 'it's the thought that counts'... and it's actually true." Please try to see it from this way before passing it off. For the sake of Awakening, we are to assume all supports are ended with genuine love anyways, is this not a valid assumption? Even during the A support it's apparent that greed isn't her primary consuming motive, she wants compassion and love regardless of what she's being consoled about.

 

[Roy-Kun]

As you all are aware of, the Falchion was drastically redesigned in Awakening.

The Falchion originally began as a rather light sword. Ideal for fast strikes, able to fell an unarmoued enemy effortlessly. Its form is narrow enough to go between plates of armour or break links of chain mail.

The newer Falchion, which I will call the Neo Falchion for the sake of clarity, is vastly different. It is a much heavier and brutish weapon. If it can't break armour, it could break the bones underneath it. It's almost in the same league as the twin blades, Ragnell and Alondite, wielded by Altina.

Is the evolution to the Neo Falchion a potential plot device, or just an artistic re-imagining of the classic sword? While it was slightly retooled in Fire Emblem 11/12, it was not a drastic overhaul as we saw in Awakening. If the weapon was never labelled, I would never know it's the Falchion to begin with.

I would like to imagine there being a number of plots. The Falchion could have been destroyed and reforged, or enchanted with a great magic (think: the transition of the Goddess Sword to the Master Sword).

What is more is: What happened to Alondite? Of course the series has gone through dozens of sacred relics, but the fact Ragnell is still in Beorc hands begs one to wonder where its sister blade is. It is just begging for some kind of plot. I would love to imagine a plot where Alondite falls into the wrong hands, and it's up to the descendants of Ike to challenge its wielder.

Of course, it is also entirely possible that Intelligent Systems just went with the rule of cool and don't really care.

According to this page -and by extension, Owain-, Falchion -the blade itself- is immune to the passing of time, so it'll never rust. Though it's hilt has been broken and had to be reforged multiple times over the centuries. Also, it's power seems to have changed, since there are three variations of Falchion in Awakening: Sealed, Parallel, and Exalted.

About Ragnell, it's safe to say that Priam inherited it from Ike, or someone related to him -Mist, or another descendant of their family-, but I don't want to go into further detail about Priam, his origins are going to cause a big and confusing debate.

Buuut let's not get into stats, it looks like the weapon's stats were modified (FE4's being the most clear example) for balance in the game.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

According to this page -and by extension, Owain-, Falchion -the blade itself- is immune to the passing of time, so it'll never rust. Though it's hilt has been broken and had to be reforged multiple times over the centuries. Also, it's power seems to have changed, since there are three variations of Falchion in Awakening: Sealed, Parallel, and Exalted.
About Ragnell, it's safe to say that Priam inherited it from Ike, or someone related to him -Mist, or another descendant of their family-, but I don't want to go into further detail about Priam, his origins are going to cause a big and confusing debate.

Buuut let's not get into stats, it looks like the weapon's stats were modified (FE4's being the most clear example) for balance in the game.

You can't be a descendant of Ike if you are not from his bloodline, if he's a descendant of Mist he would be referenced to Mist not Ike, being a descendant means Ike screwed a girl and she brought an offspring, SO QUIT FAN DREAMING and don't bring the argument that Marth being the descendant of Anri, Marth isn't the descendant of Anri he just Inherited the right to be because Anri didn't have any descendant, but even that doesn't makes him a descendant.... and if you are a human being with a functioning brain then Priam origin shouldn't be that hard to understand because it's given away by him saying he is a descendant of the Hero of blue flame, and it's so obvious that his sole existence was a response from Int Sys "Ike isn't gay move along"!

 

[UltimateWario]

and it's so obvious that his sole existence was a response from Int Sys "Ike isn't gay move along"!

There are plenty of gay men with children. A man in Ike's position, and in a world as full of bigots as his, would very much want to avoid any sort of controversy, so of course he would take a wife and have a child with her.

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