You get no Sympathy in a "Fire Emblem Discussion"

[jaytalks]

I think it's really dishonest counting a clone as part of the roster. Having them as a costume swap at least gives the character selection screen a more accurate size.

Not really. It's more dishonest to hide the clone, because you are afraid of people might accuse you of what you are actually doing. It also hides the work of programmers, model creators, etc. What benefits are there to hide it other than getting fans to stop complaining, who would then move on to complaining that the roster is too small.
Clones have being padding fighting game rosters since 1991.

one of these characters might be a clone...
They only get luigified later. In fact, it would probably more accurate to call them kenified.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Marth
Ike
Chrom/Roy

This still makes me disgruntled.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

This still makes me disgruntled.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Stop being so shocked Roy.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Stop being so shocked Roy.

 

[---]

This still makes me disgruntled.

Sorry, but I don't really care at this point who gets in between Chrom and Roy. FE talk has made me lose a lot of the enthusiasm I once had towards the series in regards to Smash.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Still doesn't make me any less disgruntled.

Come on we need more creativity here, this is so stupid!

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Xenoblaze, how do you feel about Tiki?

 

[---]

Still doesn't make me any less disgruntled.

Come on we need more creativity here, this is so stupid!

And just like that things start coming full circle again.

So should start talking movesets for the realistic characters until someone complains they'll just be clones of Marth in the end, talking about unrealistic but unique characters until someone complains that they'll never get in, or just make everyone upset by talking cuts or alternate costumes?

Ah this thread gives me such a headache.

 

[Jaedrik]

Why not just make similar characters appear in the same slot ala Zelda/Sheik style, or PKMN Trainer style, being selectable? That's not alternate costuming, but however offensive their clone nature is, it would be mitigated.

Oh gosh, you guys remember those pictures that say "We're a culture not a costume, this is not who I am and this is not okay"?
Someone make a picture of an upset Lucina with that style, her holding an image of her just being a remodel of Marth or something infinitely more clever, saying "I'm a character, not an alternate costume, this is not who I am and this is not okay". Please, you can have all my internets.

 

[IsmaR]

Slots aren't the problem here.

People would find some way to *itch that those compounded characters "stole" the rep from someone more deserving, regardless.

 

[Jaedrik]

Slots aren't the problem here.
People would find some way to *itch that those compounded characters "stole" the rep from someone more deserving, regardless.

Which is a ridiculous claim seeing how few resources and little capital (Why is the design team getting all the big bucks?) it takes to make one, so another 'full' rep is generally not part of the opportunity cost of a clone.

 

[jaytalks]

Why not just make similar characters appear in the same slot ala Zelda/Sheik style, or PKMN Trainer style, being selectable? That's not alternate costuming, but however offensive their clone nature is, it would be mitigated.

Oh gosh, you guys remember those pictures that say "We're a culture not a costume, this is not who I am and this is not okay"?
Someone make a picture of an upset Lucina with that style, her holding an image of her just being a remodel of Marth or something infinitely more clever, saying "I'm a character, not an alternate costume, this is not who I am and this is not okay". Please, you can have all my internets.

I don't see why the design team would "hide" their work. So a few fans will stop complaining about clones and instead complain about how small the roster is? They made the clones, they should own it. Not hide it. And considering the fact that fans already know clones exist, these same fans would still complain. And how would the casual player know how to cycle through Fox's costume in order to get to Wolf. This would maybe make sense if we were talking about Melee, but the clone genie is already out of the bottle.

More importantly, Zelda/Sheik and Pokemon Trainer don't share the slot just because. They share the slot because their transformation move is an important part of their characters and playstyle. If they didn't share a connection through their moveset. they wouldn't be grouped together.

This may have been not seen considering it was at the bottom of the page, but fighting game character clones have been padding rosters since basically the beginning.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Why not just make similar characters appear in the same slot ala Zelda/Sheik style, or PKMN Trainer style, being selectable? That's not alternate costuming, but however offensive their clone nature is, it would be mitigated.

Pretty sure this is what I was suggesting. At this point, though, I don't really care to argue about it any more. I feel that clones taking their own slots makes the roster feel more padded than it would that way, but some people apparently don't. There's not much more to say on the matter.

 

[Morbi]

Pretty sure this is what I was suggesting. At this point, though, I don't really care to argue about it any more. I feel that clones taking their own slots makes the roster feel more padded than it would that way, but some people apparently don't. There's not much more to say on the matter.

It really depends on the clone. Some people still call Lucas or Wolf clones (despite the two being very different), I would say that they are worthy of their own slots. Even Falco (a blatant clone) probably deserves his own slot. I can see what you are getting at though.

 

[Diddy Kong]

This still makes me disgruntled.

You ARE disgruntled.

Now smile, ************.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Now smile, mother****er.

Responding in his stead:

Spoiler

 

[FlareHabanero]

You ARE disgruntled.

Now smile, mother****er.

I can smile, it's just that I don't want to.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

So this just happened.

 

[Seraphim.]

I don't think there was any doubt about Marth, but at least we got 1 out of possibly 3 down.

 

[IsmaR]

Does this mean this thread will be locked now?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So...

Marth's page advertises Awakening...

No Awakening character?

 

[ZeldaMaster]

My guess is that Sakurai is trying to keep all newcomers hidden this time around... so if there is an Awakening character, the reveal won't happen until E3 2014

 

[jaytalks]

No, I think it's just the only thing he could advertise for. Every newcomer since E3 has come with a game link at the bottom.

I'm glad he's back in. He's not using an Awakening redesign (which is great) , and also has the bulkiness of his Shadow Dragon/Heroes of Light and Shadow design:

Spoiler

His shoulder pads are also sticking out less, matching the SD design. His boots have also been changed since Brawl.

 

[FalKoopa]

So...

Marth's page advertises Awakening...

No Awakening character?

I think it only affects Lucina, as she is "Marth" in that game. Chrom is largely unaffected.

 

[FinalStarmen]

Tomorrow is going to be considerably more interesting, especially with these recent turn of events.


Prepare the flame-resistant shields and burn treatments.

 

[•Col•]

Anyone else feel like his platemail and gloves are too dark? I think it would've looked a lot better if they ended up a similiar shade of blue as the rest of his outfit, like his Heroes of Light design(which I'm really happy they went with btw).

Aww well, I guess that's what alternate colors are for.

EDIT: Also can't wait for the delicious tears of the few Gamefaq-ers that thought Marth would actually be replaced by Lucina/Chrom.

 

[Diddy Kong]

MARTH MARTH MARTH MARTH! Yes!

He's looking awesome this time around. But it seems like his Falchion is getting shorter every appearance?

Weird to see Awakening being advertised on his reveal. I hope this means that Marth is our actual Awakening representation. But it seems he looks most like his FE12 model, which pleases me. FE12 was awesome.

Anyway, glad to see Marth back again! Haters and doubters can finally shut up now.

 

[Opossum]

So...

Marth's page advertises Awakening...

No Awakening character?

I wouldn't say so. I mean, what else would they advertise for Marth? Not much wiggle room there.

Plus, there's always SMTxFE.

 

[Roy-Kun]

I wouldn't say so. I mean, what else would they advertise for Marth? Not much wiggle room there.

Plus, there's always SMTxFE.

If they wanna advertise SMTxFE, they may as well add some sort of cameo for a character in the SMT cast -be it a Protagonist, or Jack Frost-.

Either way, Marth is back! Never doubted of his return. I wonder what will be of Lucina, now?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Lucina has a good chance to show up in a similar way of the He Fit Trainer.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Well this pretty much kills a few theories.

Marth is going to hidden away again as a secret hidden character. [DEBUNKED]
Marth is going to be replaced by Lucina or just simply cut altogether. [DEBUNKED]
A new character is going to be shown over an old one. [DEBUNKED]

 

[BluePikmin11]

All I need is Anna and my life is complete.

 

[ChronoBound]

Marth was always obvious with to anyone who knew even basic details about FE.

Intriguing that Marth advertises FE13 on his page.

What is even more intriguing is how this reveal was not tied into ANY anniversary or game release.

Still, happy to see Mr. Fire Emblem make his Smash 4 debut.

Hopefully, Ike and Roy return as well.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Lucina has a good chance to show up in a similar way of the He Fit Trainer.

I don't think they're going to change the character all together with alternate costumes. With Wii Fit Trainer it's okay to change the gender because it's just an avatar character who can already change gender in the source game, plus it's still the same character. Both Marth and Lucina are full fledged characters, it'd be extremely weird to make it an entirely different character all of a sudden. Lucina as a last minute clone is probably still a more likely result than her being an alternate costume as far as I see it.

Anyways, as for Fire Emblem, I'm just waiting for Ike and I'll be happy. Marth was still a great reveal, particularly because it just came out of the left field so suddenly.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Finally we can stop the Lucina > Marth arguments.... Marth is now an official and he seem to be the "Awakening" character, maybe Chrom and Lucina will become some sort of model swap for Marth as DLC, such thing would make so much money and Hope fully we get Ike with a mixed design, where they mix his PoR and RD design.

 

[Azule07]

Finally we can stop the Lucina > Marth arguments.... Marth is now an official and he seem to be the "Awakening" character, maybe Chrom and Lucina will become some sort of model swap for Marth as DLC, such thing would make so much money and Hope fully we get Ike with a mixed design, where they mix his PoR and RD design.

Judging on Marth's design and all, it's incredibly odd that he's even got mentions of Awakening on his page - and I reckon that the only reason he does is to link him to the franchise for people who don't know about Fire Emblem.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

That advertisement doesn't mean anything. Suppose it did, and the opposite of this scenario were true. Do you really think they would leave out the advertisement for Fire Emblem's latest game just to elaborate on the fact that Marth not really representing awakening?

The answers no. Sakurai is just supporting a franchise.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Judging on Marth's design and all, it's incredibly odd that he's even got mentions of Awakening on his page - and I reckon that the only reason he does is to link him to the franchise for people who don't know about Fire Emblem.

I'm now a firm believer that Ike is going to be back ,because:

• No one can fill his role as the heavy hitter except for less popular characters such as Hector.

• He is only second to Marth.
• The new SSB. has so much Brawl in it, which makes me think that the whole SSBB cast will b e back.

 

[---]

Intriguing that Marth advertises FE13 on his page.

Curiously enough, he advertises FE12 on his Japanese page.

So it's pretty much what Gingerbread Man has already said:

The answers no. Sakurai is just supporting a franchise.