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We knew before. I just can't wait to see what it's plot is.
I really hope you're kidding about Marth getting replaced and about Roy
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This is by far the most solid argument I've ever seen against a character for a Smash game EVER.
The (probable) reason Marth made it into Brawl was because there wasn't a good enough option to replace him (meaning similar to him, with his moveset). However with two recent, popular, and similar options for a Blue-haired Falchion wielding swordsm..person, the chances of Marth being replaced are higher.
If the highest priority was to keep the original movesets, Mewtwo would've made it in over one of the semi-clones. Marth is clearly the most well-known and popular FE character, he's the face of the series and got two games post-Brawl. You don't just replace the most iconic character of the series, a two-time veteran, with another character due to "recentness". If that were the case, Ness wouldn't have made it back for Brawl.
I have a link to where Sakarai says that he didn't pick him just because he was new, Roy can also be changed alot to differentiate from Marth and Ike and Roy was planned for Brawl too. IS also said that if they were to make a remake of another game it would be FE6, so apparently both Sakarai and IS still care about Roy.
Yeah but he would want someone new. Time moves on for FE and I don't really think Roy is the best representation of FE now.
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k. Any ounce of credibility you possibly had left with me you just blew it away.
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To be fair, Roy is an inferior clone to Marth. Even you cannot deny that.
You have absolutely no proof... you shouldn't be assuming. I can make assumptions too... I assume all seven were originally planned but Sakurai ran out of time to implement them all (or in Dixie's case the mechanic didn't work) and he cut his losses. The point is Sakurai intended to include him past when he would be useful for advertising... thus he means more to Sakurai than just a marketing tool. He wasn't chosen solely for marketing purposes in Melee anyway.
Your point being? Popularity is popularity. He was the most popular character and face of the series before he was included in Melee, all Melee did was open it to a worldwide level of exposure. It doesn't really matter what you want to classify the remakes as, but they did bring Marth to an international audience in his native series, and reinforced his importance within the series. What do Chrom or Lucina have that Marth doesn't? Recentness? That's not enough to outweigh importance to the series as a whole, popularity, veteran-status, and being the single most recognizable FE character.
There was no main character of the whole Mother series in Japan, Ninten was the first protagonist, Ness was the second. As for why Ness was included over Ninten? Probably because of popularity... he wasn't too "recent", his game was already five years old at the time of 64. Having an international release might've played a part in it, though that's debatable, considering Smash 64 wasn't going to make it outside Japan originally anyway. One factor is probably because HAL made Earthbound and they also made Smash 64, while they didn't make the original Mother.
Correction, but Sakurai himself never stated that using characters that debuted only in Japan is an issue, it's using characters that are only popular in Japan that's the problem. Those two statements are not one in the same despite sounding similar.
Depends what he meant by 'inferior'. In terms of standing apart from the character he originally stemmed from (Marth), I feel like he did a better job than most other clones.
All I meant by "learnt his lesson" was that he was going to release Japan-only characters internationally in future Smash games, not that there was an actual issue with Japan-only characters. Perhaps I worded it poorly. Embarrass
I get all of that.
To be fair the decision to cut Roy was obviously done very early in development, there wasn't like a working model or anything yet, at least to my knowledge. And technically Lucas was set to replace Ness in Melee but time constraints or something got in the way, can't recall at the moment though. Not that those things validate him points, just making a comment. Also I have to argue the fact that Chrom would have to be a clone of Marth. They share a lot of common features but they are of the same bloodline so that makes sense however Tiki clearly states that they are actually pretty different in terms of personality, which to me would translate to his gameplay as well. Getting stuck up on the fact that they are sword users with blue hair is such a silly argument. How many characters use their hands/fist to fight in Brawl yet are completely different? They could easily give Chrom (or any other sword wielding Fire Emblem character) a Melee only sword moveset and still have them be plenty unique if they wanted. Even if they decided that a new FE character does have to be gimmicky Chrom could still fall back on a weapon changing mechanic, a skill swapping mechanic, a re-classing mechanic or a Dual Support mechanic. The latter 3 representing some of the prime features of awakening pretty well.
He's seen some serious ****. Look at the fear embedded in his eyes, his rage wedged into his heart, his depression overwhelming his very soul. It's like the very emotions of human life has been stuffed into a mere teenage boy, and for all to experience it first hand, it's rather tragic.Roy has been shocked quote a lot lately...
But the fact that he even made it into the programming stage means that at one point Sakurai did find merit in him past marketing, which is all I was saying. And he did make it further than any of the other Forbidden 7 bar Mewtwo btw (he had more data than them).
Yeah, Lucas would've replaced Ness had Mother 64 not been canceled. Again, I was just trying to apply Chido's logic elsewhere to show how many holes it had. You're right, under different circumstances Ness would've been replaced, but under the parallel circumstances in the FE comparison, I was just using Ness to show that just because there is a more recent character that can play the same, doesn't mean the original will necessarily be replaced.
I've never said Chrom couldn't be unique, I've actually argued he could. I was just using the mentality of Chido's example, where Chrom was to replace Marth. I agree, he doesn't necessarily have to be a clone, but chances are decent he might be.
I agree, that's why I'm trying to prove replacing Marth is nonsense, even as clones they can both exist, let alone if they both had unique movesets.
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