Everyone else has posted my thoughts, and of course DK has monstrous Power. We have Projectile. I either say 50:50 or 55:45 Yoshi. DK depending on the player but I personally Think Yoshi has the lead.
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Yoshi v. Donkey Kong [Summary Updated: 8/17/2009]
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Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Yosh, it can be pretty hard. This mu is all about spacing and momentem. You also need to read the opponent really well as they both have very dangerous punish moves. He have to try and keep him away with eggs and such, while he wants to try and land a bair or so on us. If he makes a mistake, we either grab or it not enough time ftilt (which i already explained). If we get the grab, we can cg him all the way to the edge and put him in a really bad position offstage. However, if he lands a bair on us, he can easily get another uair, bair, etc. on us. Afterwards, DK can actually juggle us decently.
Even though we inflict damage easier, DK can kill really early. His giant punch can be wavebounced into our mistakes, his dsmash is suprisingly fast, and fsmash and usmash are both really early killers. He however can kill with uair and usmash decently (around 150-160 on fd i believe) and our fsmash kills well if you can land it. Down b in my opinion really isnt that great of a kill move here as it kills really late, but that could just be my playstyle, so correct me if im wrong.
On the defense, we both have the options to keep each other away. However, since both of our shields are terrible, if you can get up close to the opponent while they're shileding, it should almost always result in damage. This is why spacing is so important here.
I say this is slightly Yoshi's favor because we should be inflicting about 160 damage for every 100 damage we take, but dk kills at 100, and we kill at 160 making it even. We both have good spacing and virtually the same problems, making us have similar advantages and disadvantages. that said, we do have better speed and a projectile that dk can't powershield, plus we have the tools to get that free gimp every once in a while off a good read (which dk does have, but not to the extent we do). That's why I believe it to be 55:45 yoshi adv.
tl;dr yoshi has a slight advantage imo
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Even though we inflict damage easier, DK can kill really early. His giant punch can be wavebounced into our mistakes, his dsmash is suprisingly fast, and fsmash and usmash are both really early killers. He however can kill with uair and usmash decently (around 150-160 on fd i believe) and our fsmash kills well if you can land it. Down b in my opinion really isnt that great of a kill move here as it kills really late, but that could just be my playstyle, so correct me if im wrong.
On the defense, we both have the options to keep each other away. However, since both of our shields are terrible, if you can get up close to the opponent while they're shileding, it should almost always result in damage. This is why spacing is so important here.
I say this is slightly Yoshi's favor because we should be inflicting about 160 damage for every 100 damage we take, but dk kills at 100, and we kill at 160 making it even. We both have good spacing and virtually the same problems, making us have similar advantages and disadvantages. that said, we do have better speed and a projectile that dk can't powershield, plus we have the tools to get that free gimp every once in a while off a good read (which dk does have, but not to the extent we do). That's why I believe it to be 55:45 yoshi adv.
tl;dr yoshi has a slight advantage imo
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Poltergust
Smash Master
You guys pretty much put down what I think this match-up comes up to.
Regardless, I still think it may be even because I believe Yoshi's mobility is countered by DK's hard reads.
Regardless, I still think it may be even because I believe Yoshi's mobility is countered by DK's hard reads.
Airborne
Smash Lord
I highly agree. Like I said before, I believe the MU can range anywhere between 55:45 and vice versa, so I'm just going to say 50:50.You guys pretty much put down what I think this match-up comes up to.
Regardless, I still think it may be even because I believe Yoshi's mobility is countered by DK's hard reads.
Metatitan
Smash Master
Oh god I remember this MU back in the day. Use your cg to freshen your up smash, you'll need it since Usmash/uair are your only reliable kill moves here. You won't be killing DK horizontally very often, f smash is your strongest horizontal KO move and DK is ridiculously difficult to kill off the sides.
Chaosgriffin
Smash Ace
I have played two Yoshis, one of them is named slush (not sure his name on the boards is). and the other is a friend who just plays a lot of characters. And sorry no, i do not vids. I will try to get other Dk's in here to help out.
Slush is me... Chaosgriffin... CG! Should've known, I never played you before but I do remember seeing you play at WHG3 and you probably saw me play against Broly since me beating him the first game attracted a crowd.
Chaosgriffin
Smash Ace
Yeah, I am CG. lol
Good job btw at the tourney.
I know we did not play at that last tourney, but i could have sworn that we played at the one we held before WHG3 in Kingsville.
Never been in Kingsville till this WHG3. And I searched my results of tournaments yesterday and you weren't in any of them. I remember Broly from San Japan I believe.
Chaosgriffin
Smash Ace
Hmm.....could of sworn i had played you before. Oh well. Anyway, i have another question. Does the CG work on DK? Has anyone tested DK trying to break out of it with up-b? Case up-b comes out on frame 3, or 4.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Yes, the CG works.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Or I could be wrong...
Or does that mean that we need to be perfect to do the CG?
Or does that mean that we need to be perfect to do the CG?
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
We don't have to be perfect we just cant mess up is all
¿Qué?
Smash Champion
Lol
Both Slush and CG.
I saw you at the tourney in kingsville. Why is everyone taller than me? :|
Anyway.. I have really never played a Yoshi... Ever.. But I can sort of try to give some logical input anyway.
I know one big weakness of Yoshi's is the chance of getting foot stooled off stage after your second jump.
I thought I might add this to the discussion. Reason being is that Donkey Kong is VERY big. It's not as hard to footstool someone with such a large character.
Iunno. Thought I'd add SOME type of input. Again, I've never played a Yoshi. :|
Both Slush and CG.
I saw you at the tourney in kingsville. Why is everyone taller than me? :|
Anyway.. I have really never played a Yoshi... Ever.. But I can sort of try to give some logical input anyway.
I know one big weakness of Yoshi's is the chance of getting foot stooled off stage after your second jump.
I thought I might add this to the discussion. Reason being is that Donkey Kong is VERY big. It's not as hard to footstool someone with such a large character.
Iunno. Thought I'd add SOME type of input. Again, I've never played a Yoshi. :|
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
If we're doing ANY kind of action while jumping, we won't go into the footstooled animation. We should never be footstooled ever.
Poltergust
Smash Master
...If you've never played against Yoshi, don't give any input. I mean, I haven't played against too many DKs, so my input for this match-up is limited.
Yoshi is never going to get footstooled. Ever. It's not a weakness at all.
Yoshi is never going to get footstooled. Ever. It's not a weakness at all.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
I fight dk a lot. I even used to use him as a secondary. He's still probably one of my top 5 characters that im good with
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Fixed for accuracy.
Yoshi is never going to get footstooled unless he ****s up. It's not a weakness at all.
Poltergust
Smash Master
What? You said the exact same thing as me. Why are you changing my post? XD
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
You said Yoshi would never get footstooled. That is false.
SOVAman
Smash Hero
Yoshi allllllllllways gets the **** from footstools
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
I've only ever been footstooled in a tournament match (aside from X's on stage footstool combo thing that he gets out of spin dash >.>) once. And it was from my brother. At like 40%. I let my guard down cuz I fight him so often and then it happened... I still pulled of a win that battle though... Barely.
SOVAman
Smash Hero
You must live in 08' land
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
I face palmed long and hard after that one
SOVAman
Smash Hero
Do the people in your mysterious land know the footstool exist yet?
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Strangely enough, yes, but we have yet to learn the 'air dodge'.
Poltergust
Smash Master
There is clearly a testimonial contradiction here.
Like I said, you just went against your own word.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Sonic footstools me alot. And by that I mean Espy/Turbo since *Some* people noticed this is another of Yoshi's Weakness.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Sonic is the only thing that ever footstools us. But even then it's only onstage. (For me at least)
SOVAman
Smash Hero
If you ever play GIMR or tant you will get footstooled
Airborne
Smash Lord
That's why you throw out this thing called an airdodge or an aerial and you won't get footstooled. *GASP*
SOVAman
Smash Hero
Clueless ignorance in it's final form
Airborne
Smash Lord
Nah, bruh, I just get footstooled like it's a daily chore, because that's what a certain sheik does when he fights Yoshi. If you get footstooled, it's your fault for empty jumping.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
I didn't get footstooled by Tant...
If your not expecting it, it will happen. I've seen this happen to yoshis before, having a stock taken just for being footstooled. And by "yoshi's before", I mean me. :V Seriously, always be doing something. I usually up-A the little characters, and spotdodge the big characters. Also airdodge against DK if hes pursuiting you. His spike kills retardly early.
Other then that I have like no DK experience. Im not sure if this is true but if they cargo throw you, apparently if you hold up it will count as an input for every frame, so you can escape until real high percentages.
Other then that I have like no DK experience. Im not sure if this is true but if they cargo throw you, apparently if you hold up it will count as an input for every frame, so you can escape until real high percentages.
SOVAman
Smash Hero
He prolly wasn't playing ROB
and if he was its cuz yo ***** *** sat on the edge and threw ****
but tbh I wouldn't know since I haven't even played yoshi in over a year, I just like to be involved.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
ROB game 1, MK 2 and 3.
SOVAman
Smash Hero
He won with ROB correct?
idk I remember him saying something about it, but I don't remember
idk I remember him saying something about it, but I don't remember