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this is why experience of someone who is good at gimping will really help. A lot of people will jump before you do PK thunder and if you fast fall then you will have to recover from a lower position. Especially on dreamland, recovering from a bottom position against any good player = death. There's a reason why everyone says he has one of the worst recoveries...
There are so many thing you can do here. Reverse PK Fire air jump Dair/Bair. Air jump Uair. I can Down B air camp then air Jump and Sweetspot. It is just a matter of mixing it up.
...no. He would take the hit and up-b back to the stage, and just you would die. I'm trying to stay serious but I'm dying here.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner! Yes, I expect one to do this. And not just with Falcon, but in general, as a matter of fact. Your buddy doesn't do this and therefore sucks at edgeguarding you. If you fastfall, you are recovering from below as Ness, and you are more done then you already were.
lol dude, you can't be serious. Just because he z-cancels and short hops doesn't mean he's good, and doesn't mean he's doing things correctly. Far, far from it. When it comes to competitive play? That's level 1.
Reverse PK fire during recovery? Down B air camp? Do you play this game? OK, you HAVE to be trolling.
Falcon cannot do this if he doesn't get the boost from hitting me he can't make it back if I am on the periphery of the sweetspot zone. He just can't, I just checked.
Then I decide not to do that and instead slide onto the ledge.
You seem pretty good at sweetspotting, which is cool (pretty hard IMO).
I probably try to fair chain to the left on this one, or maybe do a fair -> grab. Basically I'm trying to get falcon as far off the ledge as possible from this combo. You also can do weak nair -> bair after the uair to move him a bit more to the left and do a bit more damage so that he winds up farther off the edge. Even if weak nair -> bair wouldn't work weak nair sets up a grab or tech chase on the platform I think. I also think you could have done 1+ additional uairs before whacking him with nair/bair.
All this is assuming that they were sending me off the ledge and knew a lot of thing from the get-go. They knew that I couldn't get back to the ledge without my up-B and that they were even close enough to the edge. Too many assumption.
Thanks, this is helpful.
The recovery is bad. I think Ness, Falcon, and Link are tied for worst recoveries. Ness has theoretical recoveries based on sheer distance that neither of them do (example: opponent too far away) and sweetspotting definitely is underrated.
Those were pretty nice, very impressive. Obviously that mario should have killed you but with that aside, they were solid.
That's what I was thinking
They aren't scientific but rather a means to quantify the character's relative ability to edgeguard Ness. Not all characters ability to edge guard others are equal. Some characters are better at edge guarding specific opponents and I think it is distinction worth making.
I don't think I am. I think Captain Falcon edge guarding ability on Ness is actually worse than everyone else except for maybe Yoshi.
Chill...
You have to be the most aggressive person on these boards.
Yeah I think Falcon is one of the better characters at edgeguarding Ness because he's fast (air and ground)
do you think this happens on other boards as often as it does here? like on the melee boards or brawl boards? or even on street fighter forums?
