! WORLD SMASH HIP-HOP ! Rap/HipHop/R&B/ Discussion Thread (explicit warning)

[Jane]

chok: looked the songs up on youtube, i was feelin em :D

prog: na son i bet itll be tight haha, get to uploadin!

 

[cookieM0Nster]

The Nickel and Dime(510)

Whats Good!!!!

i like murs, and of course you gotta love that ice cube and 2pac.

but im from the 510. best place ever lmao.
not really from the ghetto, which ill explain in my albums. still love hip hop, and im white which wont help my reputation. eh, im a cool honkey
annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd i listen to mostly east coast hip hop. still keeping it real. MAY 18 CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT REFLECTION ETERNAL ALBUM and june 22, im gona be up all night waiting for the eminem album. im hyped as **** for recovery, eminem is my favorite rapper

 

[IAmBlu3]

i'm really into keyshia cole right now

my favorite songs are Love and Fallin' Out

ewww keyshia cole. alicia keys >>>>. lol

@cookiemonster: Distant Relatives >>>> Reflection Eternal. they're coming out the same day.

looking forward to some sample tracks....

 

[choknater]

lol dont get me wrong i listen to alicia too

rnb all dai lately

 

[cookieM0Nster]

ewww keyshia cole. alicia keys >>>>. lol

@cookiemonster: Distant Relatives >>>> Reflection Eternal. they're coming out the same day.

looking forward to some sample tracks....

Nahhh. Nas is my main man, but Talib Kweli is spitting fire, plus I can't wait for the lyrical ability.

But like 4 albums coming out from like may-june that will make people go nuts. The Eminem album is gonna be DOPE, reflection eternal too. Lupe's album is coming out this year too... hip hop wont come back till wayne gets shot.

 

[Jane]

lol lil wayne isnt affecting hip hop in a negative way. its pish posh i tell you

 

[cookieM0Nster]

lol lil wayne isnt affecting hip hop in a negative way. its pish posh i tell you

Yeah he is. Taking what was Hip Hop and turning it into pop. and people actually like it. Did you listen to his single that just came out?
How terrible is that?

 

[Jane]

he may do collabs with pop artists, but dont give him so much power as to say he can control hip hop and what its turning into.


hes a talented, creative, and original lyricist.

not for everyone, i know, but too many people give him wayy too little credit

 

[IAmBlu3]

i wouldn't say so. wayne's not so terrible as to credit him with killing hip hop. besides, hip hop's not dead.....it's pish posh to think so (gonna start saying that now. thanks jane )

 

[cookieM0Nster]

he may do collabs with pop artists, but dont give him so much power as to say he can control hip hop and what its turning into.


hes a talented, creative, and original lyricist.

not for everyone, i know, but too many people give him wayy too little credit

Well, he hasn't killed hip hop. But he's sure helping stomp on it -.-

And he doesn't even write his lyrics. Not to mention that they're terrible, and there's no clever wordplay or anything.

i wouldn't say so. wayne's not so terrible as to credit him with killing hip hop. besides, hip hop's not dead.....it's pish posh to think so (gonna start saying that now. thanks jane )

He's terrible though. It's pop music. not hip hop.

Yeah it is.

 

[Jane]

prove he doesnt write his own lyrics? cuz everyone seems to throw that statement around with no proof at all


if you listened to him with an open mind (and good songs of course), you would find that, contrary to what youre saying, his focus when he raps is in fact clever wordplay


btw, not trying to grill you or anything, im just sayin

 

[IAmBlu3]

open-minded ftw. personally, i find it more damaging to the music to constantly bicker on what's real hip-hop and what's not.

 

[cookieM0Nster]

prove he doesnt write his own lyrics? cuz everyone seems to throw that statement around with no proof at all


if you listened to him with an open mind (and good songs of course), you would find that, contrary to what youre saying, his focus when he raps is in fact clever wordplay


btw, not trying to grill you or anything, im just sayin

"Ghost-writing is a form of secretly writing hit lyrics to a song for a specific musical artists, giving away certain lyrics for an undisclosed amount of contractual money. It has been said that Gillie Da Kidd ghost-wrote most of Lil Wayne's current and past music catalog, since Weezy F. Baby's album 'The Carter'. It is apparent that after Gillie Da Kidd received checks for writing lyrics for Cash Money artists, especially Wayne, that Wayne's whole musical style changed. Although it is said that Lil Wayne is ranked by the MTV Network as the Hottest Rapper in Hip-Hop today, Gillie Da Kidd did write most of Wayne's past music catalog. This being Wayne's album 'The Carter' until Weezy's last album, 'The Carter 2'. Within those few odd years Gillie did teach Wayne true lyricism, it is very hard to believe that Lil Wayne became a better lyricist than Gillie or Jay-Z for that matter in such a short period of time. Some industry insiders are saying that Weezy F. Baby does have a a second ghost-writer which replaced Gillie privately. Gillie Da Kidd was escorted out of Cash Money Records, because Lil Wayne and Baby the #1 Stunner knew Gillie would tell the multimedia masses the truth. That Gillie himself wrote mostly all of Wayne's verses except for most song hooks, bridges, and choruses. Gillie Da Kidd rapped while standing beside The Clipse on MTV's video-mix show, Sucker Free with such a fierce flow and delivery, it is rarely hard to believe Lil Wayne is actually better than Gillie Da Kidd a.k.a Gillie the Ghostwriter. "


"According to Gillie, his relationship with the company went sour much like those of other CM artists like Juvenile, Mannie Fresh and more. The rapper indicates that he and Baby & Slim had a falling out. Those disagreements led to him and Wayne not speaking for quite some time. Now, Gillie claims he wrote the majority of The Carter.

The artist does however admits that he had no hand in ghostwriting any material for The Carter 2, which is Lil Wayne's most recent effort.
"I wasn't around for Tha Carter 2. Give all the credit to Lil Wayne for that. But it was a whole lot of things going down for Carter 1. Holla at your boy, Wayne." "

He doesn't write his lyrics. I'm sure there are other ghost writers who write for him. -.-

 

[cookieM0Nster]

open-minded ftw. personally, i find it more damaging to the music to constantly bicker on what's real hip-hop and what's not.

Eh, I'm pretty open minded, I'm willing to try any artists anyone tells me, but wayne is not real hip hop. its just pop.

Real hip-hop is where you don't go pop, put soul into your music, and have straight fire lyrics and flow.


EDIT: oooooh, sorry for double poost. forgot.

 

[IAmBlu3]

i encourage double posts

i mean, to me, it's still hip-hop. of course it's not dope music, but, at the same time, i don't go to mcdonald's expecting 5-star service, if ya get me. of course it's not the best, hell, most of the time, it's downright ****. but it's still under the same genre. some people's souls sound different.......that **** was cheesy lolol

 

[jugfingers]

if you listened to him with an open mind (and good songs of course), you would find that, contrary to what youre saying, his focus when he raps is in fact clever wordplay

making lots of money is clever....

 

[~N9NE~]

http://www.thisis50.com/forum/topics/jay-electronica-disses-new

http://www.forbezdvd.com/cod.php?v=MTIxOTk

Jay E catching some heat for comments about NY and RZA.

 

[Matador]

*strokes chin*....This looks familiar...

Hope this doesn't end with an injured side-eye...

 

[IAmBlu3]

raekwon, where you at?

 

[~N9NE~]

lol feels like 09 again...

But dude is saying people are too sensitive, when he's guilty of that more than anyone. He seems mad.

 

[Matador]

I'd be upset too though. People really do openly treat the south like **** sometimes...

I wouldn't SHOW that I'm upset, that's kinda stupid. But I wouldn't keep quiet about it either in his shoes.

 

[Luigitoilet]

I forgot about this track

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqbr5a0WgCQ

Ahaha Akir totally kills Tech.

Revolutionary 2 for life

 

[IAmBlu3]

I'd be upset too though. People really do openly treat the south like **** sometimes...

I wouldn't SHOW that I'm upset, that's kinda stupid. But I wouldn't keep quiet about it either in his shoes.

lol sometimes? i swear when i go up north, people do it all the time. very rarely do people actually show love. but jay sounded real emotional in those vids lol. can't really blame him though.


@Luigi: Akir > Immortal Technique. as a rapper anyway, not album wise.

 

[Jane]

lol jay electronica TRIPPIN. but yeah its true that the south is the ass of every hiphop joke


cookiemonster: haha ok gillie ghostwrote for wayne back in 04. on the first carter. which was trash. but gillie himself said that he MENTORED wayne. do you not think that has anything to do with his improvement? that gillie was teaching him?


i understand why you would think someone ghostwrites for him now, since someone ghostwrote for him then. but for me, someone who will always be skeptical of ghostwriting until it is proven, gillie's ghostwriting back in 04 holds no merit.


but anyways im done arguing about lil wayne. really the only problem i had with your statement was your claim that wayne was "turning hiphop into pop" which had nothing to do with wayne and his ghostwriters

 

[cookieM0Nster]

lol jay electronica TRIPPIN. but yeah its true that the south is the ass of every hiphop joke


cookiemonster: haha ok gillie ghostwrote for wayne back in 04. on the first carter. which was trash. but gillie himself said that he MENTORED wayne. do you not think that has anything to do with his improvement? that gillie was teaching him?


i understand why you would think someone ghostwrites for him now, since someone ghostwrote for him then. but for me, someone who will always be skeptical of ghostwriting until it is proven, gillie's ghostwriting back in 04 holds no merit.


but anyways im done arguing about lil wayne. really the only problem i had with your statement was your claim that wayne was "turning hiphop into pop" which had nothing to do with wayne and his ghostwriters

Eh, it's not even that he doesn't write ALL of his lyrics. I'm just angry that people think that this dude is so gangster and the best rapper ever and stuff. He is helping turn real hip-hop to pop. Because he has such a large fanbase, it doesn't matter what he puts out. Which is why half of his songs are about *****es and money. Hip-Hop has split, into Hip-Hop which contains all of the meaningful lyrics, and Rap which has all of the crappy, poppy lyrics and beats.

/rant

 

[Jane]

i agree, its so annoying how people think hes the best rapper alive. but AT LEAST he doesnt claim hes the best rapper alive anymore.


and, more than half of his songs are about *****es and money , probably like 80% of them.


"rap", as you put it, isnt about meaningful lyrics. what makes you think hiphop HAS to have meaningful lyrics? "rap" doesnt care about having deep lyrics, theyre worried about making music to shake ya *** to, music to bump in your car when you get that nice system installed, music to play at the party.


just because its not like the "real" hiphop, doesnt mean its pop, or automatically bad, or not hiphop, its just a different branch of hiphop catered to a different audience.

all im saying is just let it be, dont hate

 

[~N9NE~]

Canibus - Rip The Jacker 2 Infinity - Intro

Butt cheeks. Uses Joe's Clothes On A Mannequin sample.

Fashawn - Samsonite Man (feat. Blu) Video

Dope.

 

[cookieM0Nster]

i agree, its so annoying how people think hes the best rapper alive. but AT LEAST he doesnt claim hes the best rapper alive anymore.


and, more than half of his songs are about *****es and money , probably like 80% of them.


"rap", as you put it, isnt about meaningful lyrics. what makes you think hiphop HAS to have meaningful lyrics? "rap" doesnt care about having deep lyrics, theyre worried about making music to shake ya *** to, music to bump in your car when you get that nice system installed, music to play at the party.


just because its not like the "real" hiphop, doesnt mean its pop, or automatically bad, or not hiphop, its just a different branch of hiphop catered to a different audience.

all im saying is just let it be, dont hate

He used to, and he sure as **** isn't.

Hip-Hop is the movement, rap is the music. Hip-Hop is all about meaningful lyrics, rap is just about the not important stuff.

I bump the real stuff. I be blastin Eminem, Pac, Common Sense all of them, but I don't want some annoying pop mofo sounding like he got a sore throat "rapping".

 

[IAmBlu3]

Little known facts about hip-hop
http://community.allhiphop.com/showthread.php?8126-Little-Known-Facts-About-Hip-Hop

there's a lot, so if you have nothing to do, like me, you can spend time reading and going through all the pages


"all im saying is just let it be, dont hate" - agrees*

 

[Suspect]

http://www.thisis50.com/forum/topics/jay-electronica-disses-new

http://www.forbezdvd.com/cod.php?v=MTIxOTk

Jay E catching some heat for comments about NY and RZA.

They call him Jay Electronica, **** that, call him Jay ElecEmergencyRoom, Jay ElecGunshotWound

 

[cookieM0Nster]

Little known facts about hip-hop
http://community.allhiphop.com/showthread.php?8126-Little-Known-Facts-About-Hip-Hop

there's a lot, so if you have nothing to do, like me, you can spend time reading and going through all the pages


"all im saying is just let it be, dont hate" - agrees*

LMAO, "Rejected Rap Album Titles:
13.Da Lench Mob
Rejected : Pin The Tail On The Honky
Released As : Guerillas In The Mist"

hilarious. im white too.

Eh, I'm just mad that the real music isn't being played but we have this piece of **** getting money for putting out ****

 

[Jane]

good **** nine!


haha i feel you cookie, the real **** doesnt ever get played on the radio, on tv, but thats part of what makes it great! not every moefocka knows about it, only if you have enough of a passion to look for it



you guys should check out pac div's new mixtape "don't mention it" its tight!

link - http://itspacdiv.com/dmi/audio/PacDiv_DontMentionIt_TheMixtape.zip

 

[cookieM0Nster]

good **** nine!


haha i feel you cookie, the real **** doesnt ever get played on the radio, on tv, but thats part of what makes it great! not every moefocka knows about it, only if you have enough of a passion to look for it



you guys should check out pac div's new mixtape "don't mention it" its tight!

link - http://itspacdiv.com/dmi/audio/PacDiv_DontMentionIt_TheMixtape.zip

Yeah, I mean I consider myself a hip-hop purist. And by purist, I mean lyrics are the most important thing, you gotta listen to the lyrics and the message.

Cool, I'll check it out

Oh, and this dude here feels just how I do about Wayne. http://www.youtube.com/user/EGoesIn#p/u/194/TjsrZCvkMrI

 

[Luigitoilet]

Yeah, I mean I consider myself a hip-hop purist. And by purist, I mean lyrics are the most important thing, you gotta listen to the lyrics and the message.

This doesn't make you a hip-hop purist. This makes you a poetry-purist.

 

[soap]

This doesn't make you a hip-hop purist. This makes you a poetry-purist.

agreed....

instrumentals are hip hop too

 

[cookieM0Nster]

This doesn't make you a hip-hop purist. This makes you a poetry-purist.

agreed....

instrumentals are hip hop too

I over-emphasize lyrics. I love instrumentals too, like jazzy, soulful, and funky beats. I also like people such as 2Pac, who don't have the best lyrics (you can't argue), yet have great emotion and soul put into their music.

 

[Linguini]

Lot's of ignorant heads here lol. Wayne is undoubtedly a skilled artist, and his creativity covers for his lack in lyricism. He's the hottest artist in hip-hop at the moment; the man knows how to milk the system. For that he gets respect. He's been sandbagging the game since the drought 3, hope the man tries again.

 

[Jane]

na man he definitely did not sandbag no ceilings

 

[IAmBlu3]

I over-emphasize lyrics. I love instrumentals too, like jazzy, soulful, and funky beats. I also like people such as 2Pac, who don't have the best lyrics (you can't argue), yet have great emotion and soul put into their music.

i used to do that. then i ran into a bunch of artists that were all lyrics and boring as hell. they made absolutely no emphasis on beats or didn't really care what they rapped over.

 

[HomeMadeWaffles]

word

u gotta have charisma to be a legit emcee, i guess?

a bunch of multi-syllables won't make you the greatest ever

check out marvwon's wayne fontes!!!!

http://marvwonder.bandcamp.com/track/do-my-thang

http://marvwonder.bandcamp.com/track/lay-it-on-the-line