! WORLD SMASH HIP-HOP ! Rap/HipHop/R&B/ Discussion Thread (explicit warning)

[shadrach kabango]

Seems to me like he stopped being relevant when Eminem first came out

http://www.amazon.com/Rip-Jacker-Canibus/dp/B00009Y3PI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1339529028&sr=8-1

As good, likely better, than any album Eminem has put out.

Poet Laureate II is certainly one of the top 10 hip-hop songs of all-time.

"If you wanna hear some hardcore Canibus just say so
And I come out the eggroll with Seven Dead Scrolls
If you can find a better flow,
I can find a dinosaur on a Galapagos Archipelago
Hey, you shouldn't fall for the naivete
'Lyrically I'm the illest but my beats is okay'
Food for thought: nutrition for the whole day
Keep your neurotransmitters warm on a cold day"

You better not forget it because this is Levitibus.

 

[Luigitoilet]

http://www.amazon.com/Rip-Jacker-Canibus/dp/B00009Y3PI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1339529028&sr=8-1

As good, likely better, than any album Eminem has put out.

Poet Laureate II is certainly one of the top 10 hip-hop songs of all-time.

"If you wanna hear some hardcore Canibus just say so
And I come out the eggroll with Seven Dead Scrolls
If you can find a better flow,
I can find a dinosaur on a Galapagos Archipelago
Hey, you shouldn't fall for the naivete
'Lyrically I'm the illest but my beats is okay'
Food for thought: nutrition for the whole day
Keep your neurotransmitters warm on a cold day"

You better not forget it because this is Levitibus.

eeeeehhhhhh

i'm not gonna go on with this, I just really disagree. I think a big part of it is his voice and flow just innately annoys me.

some insane beats and samples on that album though. respect to any joint that samples Philip Glass, Fela, and Portishead.

 

[Malice Chains]

For canibus its like you're either on his **** and swear he's one of the rawest, or you're complete opposite. You thought us Lupe stans were bad? *****s will defend canibus up and down, especially since he's a underground conspiracy rapper

 

[shadrach kabango]

Aside from Rip the Jacker I'm not much of a Canibus fan. Chances are I'll never listen to his pre-Rip the Jacker or post-Rip the Jacker work ever again.

Rip the Jacker is just one of those near-flawless albums to the extent that, even if it's not your "style," you still need to pay your respects and keep it moving. That is because it is true art: adventurous and honest, as well as original. I cannot think of any album or artist, before or since, who could pack both lyrical verbosity and intellectually-profound subject matter in such intricate rhyme schemes.

Yet it remains immaculately cohesive thanks to the next-level production of Stoupe, who is obviously one of the greater producers hip-hop has ever been privy to.

There are a ton of "classic" hip-hop albums I don't like, such as everything De La Soul's done, or simply disagree with stylistically (Jay-Z/Notorious B.I.G. style of stereotypical shallow bars), but it would still be unequivocal of me to say their magnum opus' lack relevance.

 

[soap]

I can dig up some Jay bars that I certainly would not refer to as shallow.

Actually I feel as if Jay says much more with less words than Canibus.

But to each his own.

 

[shadrach kabango]

Dig 'em up!

I'm one of the few people who think Jay-Z merked Nas in that beef. If all rappers were as good as Jay-Z, I'd live in a state of bliss.

By the way, ever gonna make another Sheik tech skill video?

 

[Malice Chains]

I'm one of the few people who think Jay-Z merked Nas in that beef. If all rappers were as good as Jay-Z, I'd live in a state of bliss.

 

[Boofy!]

Pretty sure even Jay said Nas ethered him. I like Nas more but I find myself listening to Jay more often.. must be the Illuminati subliminals.

 

[Luigitoilet]

I think Nas won the battle but not by such a huge margin. Ether has some corny *** "insults" I gotta admit. "you no mustache havin" is particularly weird to me.

 

[Boofy!]

tai-bo hoe >>>

 

[soap]

U tryna get brolic? Ask me if I'm trying to kick knowledge? Na, I'm trying to kick that **** you need to learn tho..

 

[shadrach kabango]

Getting called out for being a sell-out hypocrite >>>

When the grass is cut the snakes'll show.

 

[IAmBlu3]

If you admit you lost the beef, then you lost.

People confuse me when they try to defend rappers who were willing to admit they lost a battle. Nas didn't win by as large a margin as a lot of people say but if you have your opponent damn near in tears on the radio, there's not much you can say about it.

 

[IAmBlu3]

For canibus its like you're either on his **** and swear he's one of the rawest, or you're complete opposite. You thought us Lupe stans were bad? *****s will defend canibus up and down, especially since he's a underground conspiracy rapper

Nah. Lupe stans are still the worst.

 

[shadrach kabango]

If you admit you lost the beef, then you lost.

People confuse me when they try to defend rappers who were willing to admit they lost a battle. Nas didn't win by as large a margin as a lot of people say but if you have your opponent damn near in tears on the radio, there's not much you can say about it.

Are you the one who said that last time? I intentionally ignored it because it was so specious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Jay-Z "admitting" he lost could be nothing more than politics (he would sound like he has sour grapes if he goes against the grain) and social proof (the more you hear something, the more it must be true!).

There's also nothing more illogical than people speaking in definitive terms when talking about an art.

 

[IAmBlu3]

Said what last time?

I'm not asking 'why' he would say he lost. I'm going based off of what he actually said on the issue.

 

[Jane]

There's also nothing more illogical than people speaking in definitive terms when talking about an art.

http://www.amazon.com/Rip-Jacker-Canibus/dp/B00009Y3PI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1339529028&sr=8-1

As good, likely better, than any album Eminem has put out.

Poet Laureate II is certainly one of the top 10 hip-hop songs of all-time.

 

[Malice Chains]

Nah. Lupe stans are still the worst.

someone's obv a canibus stan

 

[soap]

Jane back on that underage girl tip haha


When's Rebecca Black turning 18 again?

 

[Boofy!]

I want beibers chick

Coulda went to drake concert on tuesday, was like 30 minutes away. Flaked hard cause it was raining, drake aint that nice.

i haven't even been listening to new rap.. I know good **** is out there and I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like all rap sucks now.. But I'm just too damn lazy to look for it anymore.


ALSO ATTENTION ALL YOU BLU & EXILE PEOPLE.. WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_amOL15iuic&feature=player_embedded

 

[soap]

I seen that. Been bumpin the unmastered janky version pretty hard so this should be nice. I haven't heard that instrumental on there but it sounds similar to one of the samples he uses. Curious bout this EP tho.

 

[MBlaze]

Oh the trolling up in here.

 

[Morin0]

rap battles...

never understood those

 

[Jane]

man, now you gone and reminded me of when i missed drake/asaprocky/kendrick, and now im sad

that exile cut didn't move me in any way. is there something wrong with me?

 

[Matador]

Takeover > Ether. Grown-man disses > schoolyard name-callin'.

Ether was still dope tho.

 

[Malice Chains]

I dont even understand anymore

 

[IAmBlu3]

Takeover > Ether. Grown-man disses > schoolyard name-callin'.

Ether was still dope tho.

Nas said plenty of personal lines on ether. You act like all the bars he said was simply "Yo this nucca's a lame, he ain't gettin no hos, son."

 

[Matador]

Not all, but enough. It's like, he said a bunch of ill stuff and had some nice lines, but the wack ones leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Like I said, Ether was still hot to me, but Takeover was better because he came at him with all factual, personal disses. Didn't hear anything I could classify as juvenile on the track.

My favorite diss tracks are ones like that. Ones where the lines sound like they'd hurt a dude personally.

 

[Malice Chains]

Because ether didn't hurt jay personally and have him damn near crying

 

[soap]

I always had a problem with 'One album was ehhhh, the other was illmatic, thats one hot album every ten year average'

Is 'ehh' supposed to be It Was Written?

Like Jay had been dropping bonified classics since Reasonable Doubt?

IWR > all of the In My Lifetimes for me

You can still knock his declining career, but he's kinda smudgin the facts

 

[Linguini]

Agreed, honestly the three jay albums that were beyond just solid were

reasonable doubt

black album

blueprint

Nas albums that I think were amazing

illmatic

it was written

god's son

stillmatic

Regarding ether the tracks overall influence is leagues greater than takeover. *****s that know next to nothing about hip hop know that beat when it comes on.

A regular for any late night crunk freestyle sesh

 

[IAmBlu3]

I dunno if this is true or not but these were supposed to be the original lyrics to Ether.


Verse 1:

So you call yourself god mc... J-hova\
drunk the glass of blasphemy & forgot to pray over\
your games over\ crossed the warpath of a brave soldier\
you`re a makeover\ my protege trying to takeover\
I was the sheperd that led you\ But you bit the hand that fed you\
mad cause since I met you i never did respect you\ and as hard as it seems\ you know that I fathered your dreams\
you was a groupie always begging to be part of my team\
another case of a boy and his teacher\
I was the first to poison your speakers\
so kill all that noise that your preaching\
I understand\ all your plans to underhand\
aired threats of you pullin my card next summerjam\
let me make this clear hova\ You had my left overs\
she told me your little problem of the day when you slept over\
but that`s another subject homey\ ***** you phony\
I`m coming to collect the debt from the years that you owe me\
so what you capitlized... only cause i allowed\
I`m taking aim at your dome\ and reclaiming my throne\
"Who said I that i aint still nasty"

Verse 2:

How you planned on facing\ the half man half-amazing\
Don`t need a fam, Nas is a one man invasion\
claim you hot but you flopped with your roc-familia\ cause real recognize real and you`re not familiar\
call yourself gansta but you were begging for pardon\
that night in carbon\ when terror squad flipped on your squadron\
Tried to front on their checks\ till pun put a gun to your chest\
YOu said it yourself dog, Nas is one of the best\
Don`t need to search for some dirt to expose you\
I leave it up to the flow dispose you\ when i oppose you\
This is it I`m calling ya\ come out and play like "warriors"\
studied my blueprint then pieced together your formula\
Guess the knowledge I speak too deep to follow\
that`s why your stomach to weak to swallow\ The real truth
that Nas is\ the greates of all timers\
f*ck skeletons, keep only weaponry in my closets

 

[IAmBlu3]

uhh.....Chris Brown and Drake beefing? Shouldn't be called beef. It's more like veal or ground turkey.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/4372644/Chris-Brown-bottled-in-fight-with-Drake.html

 

[z00ted]

Ether was sick.

 

[sheikamaru]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njos57IJf-0&feature=b-mv


im in love with this beat

 

[Jane]

i'm in love with this beat. something about it is really different from the norm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4zCIBCTw-M

 

[soap]

I was on that chopped and screwed Cameras for a good week back when somebody posted it

 

[Matador]

Because ether didn't hurt jay personally and have him damn near crying

Are you serious with this? Do you REALLY believe that track had a grown man crying on radio? Cuz another man talked about him looking like a camel and having 'whiskers like a rat'?

Takeover was more personal than Ether was, man. The things he said on there are applied to Nas and only Nas.

I always had a problem with 'One album was ehhhh, the other was illmatic, thats one hot album every ten year average'

Is 'ehh' supposed to be It Was Written?

Like Jay had been dropping bonified classics since Reasonable Doubt?

IWR > all of the In My Lifetimes for me

You can still knock his declining career, but he's kinda smudgin the facts

I personally like IWR as well, so I dunno where he was getting with that. But I wasn't into rap when it dropped, so I'm missing a little context there. Maybe it didn't sell well or didn't garner good reception when Nas put it out at first. I'm sure Illmatic set a really high standard for his second album...I wouldn't be surprised if people initially though it was a flop when it came out. I really don't know though.

Either way, Jay was comparing it to his own career which was far more successful in half the time.

Agreed, honestly the three jay albums that were beyond just solid were

reasonable doubt

black album

blueprint

Nas albums that I think were amazing

illmatic

it was written

god's son

stillmatic

Regarding ether the tracks overall influence is leagues greater than takeover. *****s that know next to nothing about hip hop know that beat when it comes on.

A regular for any late night crunk freestyle sesh

I can't compare them album for album because there's so much to consider with their lengthy catalogs. Whatever the case though, both have very impressive bodies of work and both are still capable of making quality music. As far as whoever has more classics...I don't know.

At the time, Ether definitely made a bigger impact because of the context around the track. Jay was at the pinnacle of rap at the time and Nas hadn't made noise in awhile. Nobody expected him to respond, let alone respond like that. That's the equivalent of someone like Wayne dissing Eminem during that huge hiatus, then Em coming back with some crazy diss track in response. Even if Em's diss wasn't as good as Wayne's, it would've made a way bigger impact cuz he was unheard from for like...5 years.

I dunno if this is true or not but these were supposed to be the original lyrics to Ether.

That was pretty ill, he shoulda kept those lyrics instead, lol.

 

[soap]

I'm overall glad Jay made the diss, and the effect it had on Nas's career, but still not sure if Jay made it cuz he is like a secret Nas fan and wanted to spark him competitively, or he just was going for a power move for his own career.

 

[IAmBlu3]

Power move. He thought Nas was taking shots at Memphis Bleek, which he was. So, he played the Big Brother role and jumped in the situation.