World of Warcraft Discussion: Mists of Pandaria

[PsychoIncarnate]

Yeah, instead you have to try and tank shaman

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

Rogues are so ****ing amazing oh my god

I love playing a rogue; I haven't died in a single BG for the last 2-3 days.

And I PvP a lot.

 

[Asdioh]

Are they way better than they were in WotLK?
I had a ton of fun playing my rogue in that, but I wouldn't say he's OP.

God, I remember (tbc? i think? maybe vanilla..?) when I leveled a rogue to like the 30s (39 probably) and did battlegrounds... I went garrote + rupture + crippling poison + deadly poison, then ran away and shot them with my gun. It was SO SATISFYING to kill people like that.

But then I think they added EXP to battlegrounds or something, memory's fuzzy. I think you can turn it off or something? >_>

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Are they way better than they were in WotLK?
I had a ton of fun playing my rogue in that, but I wouldn't say he's OP.

God, I remember (tbc? i think? maybe vanilla..?) when I leveled a rogue to like the 30s (39 probably) and did battlegrounds... I went garrote + rupture + crippling poison + deadly poison, then ran away and shot them with my gun. It was SO SATISFYING to kill people like that.

But then I think they added EXP to battlegrounds or something, memory's fuzzy. I think you can turn it off or something? >_>

Rogues aren't slowed while stealth anymore.

Imagine the possibilities.

 

[Mic_128]

But then I think they added EXP to battlegrounds or something, memory's fuzzy. I think you can turn it off or something? >_>

Yup. You get exp from battlegrounds, and if you turn off exp, you'll only fight other people who have also turned off pvp. Designed to reduce the grief from low level pvp with twinks 1-shotting everything and the claim 'we only twink to fight other twinks' fell apart.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Yup. You get exp from battlegrounds, and if you turn off exp, you'll only fight other people who have also turned off pvp. Designed to reduce the grief from low level pvp with twinks 1-shotting everything and the claim 'we only twink to fight other twinks' fell apart.

I hadn't heard of this.

I like this idea

Is it working well?

 

[Mic_128]

Leveling by battlegrounds is fun, so in that aspect it works. The twinking issue is a lot smaller, and there's actually a few battlegeoups that have regular 60 and 70 capped PvP (including 70 arenas)

Though some people complain about heirlooms giving an unfair advantage (early resiliance), but it also means that the boosted exp would take them out of the bracket sooner.

 

[Asdioh]

Rogues aren't slowed by stealth anymore? O_o
I remember a Subtlety (best tree btw) talent that reduced/removed slow, but now it's non-talented? Jeez.

Man so much crap changed in Cata that I don't even know. I still don't understand how pally's holy power or warlock's whatever new system works.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Ya i remember when I came back to WoW that i was super surprised at how fast my rogue moved in stealth...
i had been playing a burglar in LOTRO which is basically a rogue so it was fun seeing the differences in abilities

 

[Mic_128]

Man so much crap changed in Cata that I don't even know. I still don't understand how pally's holy power or warlock's whatever new system works.

Dunno about the warlock one, but holy Power works a bit like combo points, but there's only 3, and the points are on you, not an enemy. The basic 'melee attack' and (For Prot)'aoe melee attack' generate 1 holy power. There's 3 spells that consume them, one heals you for X for each holy power, one that buffs your damage for 4 secs per charge and one that does damage, X per charge. Each spec has a couple of different spells that use/generate them, but I'm only a tank, so i don't know the others.

 

[Asdioh]

Sounds simple enough. Are pallies fun to play nowadays? Are they gimpy like they were in vanilla? Are they OP as hell like they were in WotLK?
I imagine their dps is good now. I remember back when people said pallies would never dps

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

Pallies are OP as hell these days.

But I can survive one as a Sub rogue.

Although killing people by garrote > rupture > crippling poison > deadly poison > gun was fun(ish), I find it far more satisfying with a Premed > Shadowstep > Ambush (15-25k) > Hemorrhage (7-10k) > Backstab x3-4 (each for 20-34k).

I **** people with PvE gear, and even if they have PvP gear, I'm still a major threat.

Edit: Actually, I've had backstabs crit in upwards of 60k with my trinket popped on PvE-geared people.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

You don't merely "survive" Ret pallies, Omnicron.

You pop Recup and you laugh the encounter off as you walk away from the pally's corpse.

I don't think Ret pallies are too terribly consistent. They're not governed by RNGs like, say, an Enhancement Shaman, but when they blow through their CDs they're usually like...wat do?

I would definitely agree that they're powerful, though.

Smooth Criminal

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Do any of you rogues use combat???
ive always had a problem using it... it just seems unfitting for a rogue to me
I use Assassination for pve and Sublety for pvp...



also i hate heroic zulgurub...

 

[Asdioh]

I think I did Combat when I did PvE in wotlk. It was actually pretty fun.
I don't remember what skills you used in it o_o sinister strike I think? And... eviscerate? Or something?
Yeah I don't remember. I always preferred subtlety whenever possible. Hemo :D

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/4556846/Scroll_of_Resurrection_–Resurrected_Soon-3_6_2012

scroll of resurrection is back...
neat mount for the person who sends it...
a ****load of stuff for the person who comes back O.o

 

[Asdioh]

that would be a 404

 

[Smooth Criminal]

that would be a 404

www.mmo-champion.com

Smooth Criminal

 

[Asdioh]

>A single character boosted all the way to level 80.
>A free upgrade to Cataclysm, regardless of the expansions you already own.

HOLY **** SERIOUSLY? That's amazing stuff right there, is Blizzard desperate or something? Have they really lost that many subscribers? Is this for realz?

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

Do any of you rogues use combat???
ive always had a problem using it... it just seems unfitting for a rogue to me
I use Assassination for pve and Sublety for pvp...



also i hate heroic zulgurub...

Combat is the best spec for PvE, hands down.
The only thing I don't like about it is when Combat Potency doesn't proc enough, and thus my energy is down in the gutters because Sinister Strike and Revealing Strike cost so bloody much.

Assassination is by far the worst spec for rogues. The damage is laughable and the only benefit is that Envenom isn't mitigated by armour.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Combat is the best spec for PvE, hands down.
The only thing I don't like about it is when Combat Potency doesn't proc enough, and thus my energy is down in the gutters because Sinister Strike and Revealing Strike cost so bloody much.

Assassination is by far the worst spec for rogues. The damage is laughable and the only benefit is that Envenom isn't mitigated by armour.

ya im seriously thinking about dropping assassination


server went down in the middle of ultraxxion... fuuuuuuuuuuu

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Why are all the "Fun" specs so broken bad

 

[Player-3]

hey guys i just got SoR'd by a friend and i havent played in a long *** time, rolling sub rogue (played pala when cata came out and havent played rogue since BC) and since it jumped me to 80 i want a rundown of what i should be doing generally

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

i learned my rotations and stuff from http://roguebuilds.com/

 

[Asdioh]

hey guys i just got SoR'd by a friend and i havent played in a long *** time, rolling sub rogue (played pala when cata came out and havent played rogue since BC) and since it jumped me to 80 i want a rundown of what i should be doing generally

hahahaha I just remembered how people used to complain about having to level alts, but why it was ALWAYS a bad idea to get a "free" max level character xD

Suddenly having a max level of a class I haven't played before would be an absolute nightmare for me. As "easy" as this game is, it does take some learning.
Hell, I would have difficulty jumping into any class now, with how much even the ones I"ve played have changed.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

hahahaha I just remembered how people used to complain about having to level alts, but why it was ALWAYS a bad idea to get a "free" max level character xD

Suddenly having a max level of a class I haven't played before would be an absolute nightmare for me. As "easy" as this game is, it does take some learning.
Hell, I would have difficulty jumping into any class now, with how much even the ones I"ve played have changed.

i agree...
i stopped played for about two years and when i came back i was terrible...
my dps was so low that i wondered why they didnt kick me...
took me a few days to get back in rhythm, but thats because i still knew the spells and stuff...
if i was given a free warlock or druid at 80 id have no idea what to do

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I stopped after 1 year, came back and couldn't remember my rotation (Well, there is the fact Cataclysm came out and changed my class, but that's not the point)

I almost just gave up the character.

After some searching online, and going through the Cataclysm leveling zones, I eventually relearned everything.

 

[Asdioh]

Yeah, every time I took a break from WoW and came back, I ended up leveling another character instead of playing my old ones.
I made 2 paladins (55 and 60) during vanilla, and then another one in TBC o_o
Then rogue/priest in WotLK, and I learned that healing could actually be fun!

 

[Player-3]

i figured it out

i just mash hemo when im grinding and mash backstab when im doing dungeons


hue

 

[Mic_128]

To be revealed on the 19th.

Gotta say, nice to see a female model that's not a bunch of twigs and boobs again.

 

[Asdioh]

...where are the twigs?

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

...where are the twigs?

female blood elves, undead, draenei, night elves and humans


omg so close to teh red protodrake =D

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

female blood elves, undead, draenei, night elves and humans


omg so close to teh red protodrake =D

Female Draenei have REALLY nice looking tails

 

[Mic_128]

/waggle indeed

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

I've come out of my horrible depression from finding out that spartanUI was dead thanks to ElvUI
omg such a great interface



.........omfg i just ran BT and won a warglaive.... and i just learned legendaries cant be transmogged <,<

 

[Mic_128]

Looks like the Pandarian female's leaked ahead of the big reveal in 14 hours.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Interesting, you can make them look like a "red panda".

I wonder if different bears are available, like brown bears or polar bears, etc.

 

[Asdioh]

Why am I so strongly reminded of Shrek?

MoP info dump monday! kind of piques my interest. Strictly academic interest.

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

God ****ing damnit.

Blizzard needs to stop trying so hard to be funny and/or cute in their games.

Seriously, I really hate the look of the pandaren in this upcoming, most likely disappointing, expansion.

This is the Warcraft storyline, not some ****ing stupid babby's first China experience game.
I honestly hope they change that model, and the models for the male pandaren as well.

Pandaren should look like their own bloody concept art:

Look at him. LOOK AT HIM. He's basically saying "Oh, just **** off" instead of "HERP DURP KUNG FU PANDA HI-YAH!"

At least put some more wrinkles into the female model, instead of making it this bouncy little teddy bear bull****.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I actually agree with Omnicron for once. I'd like the Pandaren to look a lot closer to their concept art. They're a helluva lot more badass.

However, I'd argue that just about every bit of conceptual artwork (or fan-related work) on the World of Warcraft looks better than anything Blizzard has put out in-game (aside from the cinematics). I mean, c'mon. I don't exactly get asskicking vibes from orcs. I just see some barrel-chested, derp-faced greenskin with sharp teeth that throws their arms up in the air when they say "dabu?"

Don't even get me started on the Trolls. They look like lipo-suctioned (or maybe gastric bypassed) walruses with two legs and some freakish Giant's disease.

I really hope they update the character models.

Edit:

(Said in Rocket Raccoon's voice: )

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http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...nk-Skills-and-Talents?p=15992550#post15992550

Monnnnnnnnks :D

Oh my God. Check this out:

Grapple Weapon

40 yard range, Instant, 1 min cooldown
You fire off a rope spear, grappling the target's weapon and shield, returning them to you. Depending on the quality of the weapon, your damage done, healing done, and damage reduction may be increased.

Ololololololololol. Disarm? With perks? This class is shaping up to be cool as hell.

Smooth Criminal