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Now, before I start, I'd like to say that this blog is not attacking the beliefs of Christian people; the majority of people I know are Christian. If it does offend you, then that was not this blog's intention. It's just that personally, I believe that if we truly care about children, we definitely should keep the Bible away from them.

The Bible is, by a significant margin, the most violent and bloodthristy book of all time. It also makes countless references to sex and ****, and it teaches facts that are completely erroneous. If I listed all of the passages in the Bible that I felt would harm children, I'd be tying for days. So here are a few main ones I picked out.

Leviticus 15: The majority of this chapter goes on about how 'when any man hath a running issue out of his flesh, because of his issue he is unclean'. I think you can use some imagination to work out what that means. It's bad enough on its own, but going on about it for almost an entire chapter seems a bit much, no? What good Christian parents would want children reading disgusting passages like that?

2 Samuel 13:1-22: Ammon says to his half-sister Tama 'Come lie with me, my sister.' She refuses and he ***** her anyway. Again, who would want their children to read about stories of **** such as this? Children who may stumble upon this may come to the belief that such a **** is OK, and what Christians would want that?

Romans 5:12: 'Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned'. This says that before Adam sinned, there was no death. This is clearly untrue, because death originated back when life first began, billions of years before humans came to being.

Exodus 22:20: 'He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed' So according to this all 3 billion religious believers who are not Christians should be killed. Obviously adult Christians know better than this, but what if a child does not?

1 Samuel 6:19: 'And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.' So he killed over 50,000... for looking in an ark. WTF? Why would anyone want to read about killings in such a way as the Bible proclaims, especially when the killings are often of innocent people, including babies.

1 Samuel 18:25-27: Saul orders David to kill 100 Philestines and brings back their foreskins (?!). David goes one step ahead of him and gets 200 instead. Now, the killing on its own is horrible, but the idea of collecting foreskins and bringing them back again is beyond horrid... seriously.


I'll stop there, since I think you get the idea. Overall, the Bible is easily the most violent, blood-filled and sex-obsessed book of all time. Plus it has incorrect information. Almost every page seems to involve people being killed or sex references or something else like that. If the Bible were a film, no self-respecting cinema would show it, and if they did it would easily be an 18. Now, the majority of the atrocities and absurdities of the Bible are in the Old Testament, but such acts are still depicted in the New Testament, especially in Revelation.

And this is the book that children get taught at Sunday school! Yes, they tend to get taught the few good passages the Bible contains, but when the child is older, what if they decide to read some of the passages for themselves, and discover the atrocities that the Bible proclaims, and take it as 'God's word'. And if you think about it, even with stories that they are taught, God drowned everyone on the entire planet except for Noah and his animals? What a ****ing *******.
 

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I agree with this. Quite frankly, religious teachings of any kind should be kept away until they're old enough to make an unbiased opinion for themselves and not the opinion that was passed over by their parents.

Like seriously. There's this vid I wish I could find about a bunch of kids who took a trip to a creationist museum.
 

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Wow. Just WOW. I knew the Bible had such things, but I could not imagine something like this...

I've always found that religion and the Bible etc. shouldn't be teached to children, but that was actually because children wouldn't create their own opinion, just like Victra said. Really, I didn't know the bible was like this o_o
 

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So history shouldn't be taught to children, either?
I really wanted to respond to this, but I'd come off as offensive.



Basically, the bible is a fairy tale, as far as I'm concerned. Or, at the very least, a tall tale. I'm agnostic, so I don't believe much of anything. I think it's ridiculous to claim that you "know what's it all about." So, in other words, I respect all people's beliefs and keep in mind that, "Hell, it could be true." However, at the same time, I use my logical side and create a theory.

I'm not going to get into personal beliefs right now, but honestly, the bible should be read by no one but writers (disregarding whatever is wrong with the bible, it's the first book ever made and contains a lot of literature valuable to writers, and, I guess, readers). It should not be read, as far as I believe, for religious purposes. I don't believe a single word in there, and, as we've all plainly seen, it contains BS and cruelty.
 

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So history shouldn't be taught to children, either?
Well, the bible is preached by, well, preachers as the ultimate truth. Usually, when little kids are given a history lesson they are told that the violence was wrong (or at least, this is how it was in my expirience). The bible is the bible. It's the ultimate truth for Christians.
 

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That's why you learn about the earth's creation and the flood in sunday school. Most kids don't read the bible for themselves until they're at least 12.
 

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That's why new testament>old testament. It teaches the same ****, but more condensed and with less violence XD

Also you forgot the story where that dude ***** his cousin
 

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Now, before I start, I'd like to say that this blog is not attacking the beliefs of Christian people; the majority of people I know are Christian. If it does offend you, then that was not this blog's intention. It's just that personally, I believe that if we truly care about children, we definitely should keep the Bible away from them.

The Bible is, by a significant margin, the most violent and bloodthristy book of all time. It also makes countless references to sex and ****, and it teaches facts that are completely erroneous. If I listed all of the passages in the Bible that I felt would harm children, I'd be tying for days. So here are a few main ones I picked out.

Leviticus 15: The majority of this chapter goes on about how 'when any man hath a running issue out of his flesh, because of his issue he is unclean'. I think you can use some imagination to work out what that means. It's bad enough on its own, but going on about it for almost an entire chapter seems a bit much, no? What good Christian parents would want children reading disgusting passages like that?

2 Samuel 13:1-22: Ammon says to his half-sister Tama 'Come lie with me, my sister.' She refuses and he ***** her anyway. Again, who would want their children to read about stories of **** such as this? Children who may stumble upon this may come to the belief that such a **** is OK, and what Christians would want that?

Romans 5:12: 'Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned'. This says that before Adam sinned, there was no death. This is clearly untrue, because death originated back when life first began, billions of years before humans came to being.

Exodus 22:20: 'He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed' So according to this all 3 billion religious believers who are not Christians should be killed. Obviously adult Christians know better than this, but what if a child does not?

1 Samuel 6:19: 'And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.' So he killed over 50,000... for looking in an ark. WTF? Why would anyone want to read about killings in such a way as the Bible proclaims, especially when the killings are often of innocent people, including babies.

1 Samuel 18:25-27: Saul orders David to kill 100 Philestines and brings back their foreskins (?!). David goes one step ahead of him and gets 200 instead. Now, the killing on its own is horrible, but the idea of collecting foreskins and bringing them back again is beyond horrid... seriously.


I'll stop there, since I think you get the idea. Overall, the Bible is easily the most violent, blood-filled and sex-obsessed book of all time. Plus it has incorrect information. Almost every page seems to involve people being killed or sex references or something else like that. If the Bible were a film, no self-respecting cinema would show it, and if they did it would easily be an 18. Now, the majority of the atrocities and absurdities of the Bible are in the Old Testament, but such acts are still depicted in the New Testament, especially in Revelation.

And this is the book that children get taught at Sunday school! Yes, they tend to get taught the few good passages the Bible contains, but when the child is older, what if they decide to read some of the passages for themselves, and discover the atrocities that the Bible proclaims, and take it as 'God's word'. And if you think about it, even with stories that they are taught, God drowned everyone on the entire planet except for Noah and his animals? What a ****ing *******.

I think the Bible (and all religious books for that matter) should be read with smelling salts. There is lots of good ideas about morals and being a good person, but other parts that are just straight up plain ridiculous. I do feel the Bible was written by men, as it is reflected how it tries to control women. I told this to my religious friend (who is also female) and she said, "that's how God wanted his words to be revealed" lolwut? God would not want to control women.

The way I look at religious books

1. Man wrote them
2. Man are imperfect

Therefore

religious text= NOT perfect

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I'm going to Hell because I wasn't baptized. :lick:
 

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I thought we were supposed to pull the Pokemon effect in situations like this.

"First gen was the best omg."

"Old Testament was the best because it came first."

"The older episodes of Spongebob were funnier."

"Old Nintendo >>>> New Nintendo."
 

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Yeah, it is an extremely violent and mature book. Most parents just don't read the violent/sex parts to their kids. Your points about false facts are moot because, under Christian beliefs, they are true. But I completely agree about the violence part, in fact a lot of people cite is as an example that violence/sex can be found in any book
 

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I thought we were supposed to pull the Pokemon effect in situations like this.

"First gen was the best omg."

"Old Testament was the best because it came first."

"The older episodes of Spongebob were funnier."

"Old Nintendo >>>> New Nintendo."
One problem though:
GSC>RBY. :)

:093:
 

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By the time you're actually able to read and comprehend the bible, you would have enough common sense to distinguish it from today's world and realize it doesn't reflect on what the world is actually like. Just my opinion anyways. I hate how people think children (6-10) are incapable of grasping simple **** like this.
 

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The Bible may be violent in some, or many, passages. I do not know because I have never read it. Children may read the Bible, and because of their belief in God, they may not be fearful of these violent occurences within the book. The Bible basically tells Christian children what to do and what not to do in order to avoid sin. Religious people will go to extreme lengths to avoid sin, and in the childrens case, maybe to avoid fear or disgust of these violent chapters.
Also, when you look at the Quran, it teaches the same thing, really, and to never turn against Allah. The Quran may include those sort of passages as well. Maybe even the Tanakh and the Talmud explain those occurences as well.
It is all part of their path to Heaven and a good afterlife.
 

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Well, the bible is preached by, well, preachers as the ultimate truth. Usually, when little kids are given a history lesson they are told that the violence was wrong (or at least, this is how it was in my expirience). The bible is the bible. It's the ultimate truth for Christians.
And...?
Do you see preachers going around saying that since **** is in the Bible, **** is cool by God? The OP's main point was "oh, the Bible has all this horrible stuff in it, so kids shouldn't be allowed to read it," and I was pointing out that history is just as horrible. Any sensible history teacher along with any sensible Sunday school teacher will be pointing out why the violence is wrong, if they touch on it at all.

Another thing that rubs me the wrong way is the viewpoint that kids are all inherently stupid and should be kept away from anything violent or "dark" because they "can't handle it yet" and might start slaughtering their classmates after reading it.

@Asaph: If you want it away from your kids because you don't believe in it, that's cool. Nothing wrong with that. The OP was talking about keeping it away because it has violence in it, though, which is an entirely different subject.



And first-gen was best.
 

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And...?
Do you see preachers going around saying that since **** is in the Bible, **** is cool by God? The OP's main point was "oh, the Bible has all this horrible stuff in it, so kids shouldn't be allowed to read it," and I was pointing out that history is just as horrible. Any sensible history teacher along with any sensible Sunday school teacher will be pointing out why the violence is wrong, if they touch on it at all.
I was just saying that the Bible is just the truth to Christians. Even if it is condemned, having **** in the Bible will influence Christians much more easily than **** in a textbook.
 

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I agree with bobson on most things in this topic. We shouldn't be afraid to teach children this stuff especially if we teach them how modern morals developed and why they are so important at an early age.

I think as soon as children turn 13 they are ready to read the bible and I think it should be read as literature in public schools. As long as its read strictly as literature. Its important to have biblical knowledge so you can better understand other literature and artwork as well as why some events in history happened.
 

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Now, before I start, I'd like to say that this blog is not attacking the beliefs of Christian people; the majority of people I know are Christian. If it does offend you, then that was not this blog's intention. It's just that personally, I believe that if we truly care about children, we definitely should keep the Bible away from them.

Alrighty, then. I'll keep that in mind.


The Bible is, by a significant margin, the most violent and bloodthristy book of all time. It also makes countless references to sex and ****, and it teaches facts that are completely erroneous. If I listed all of the passages in the Bible that I felt would harm children, I'd be tying for days. So here are a few main ones I picked out.

The most violent and bloodthirsty? Such a claim is entirely unwarranted. I guarantee you can find many things far worse than anything the Bible might talk about even in pop culture. Check out the Gangsta rap crap and the porn sites and find people who are obsessed with looking at bloody images and say that again. This is just so wrong. You sounded like you were going to present an okay argument when I read your first paragraph, but I really lost interest when you said this.

Furthermore, there's a difference between discussing evil things, and glorifying them. If I speak of murder, that doesn't make me a murderer. Especially if I denounce it while I am speaking. How you could think otherwise is beyond me.

Leviticus 15: The majority of this chapter goes on about how 'when any man hath a running issue out of his flesh, because of his issue he is unclean'. I think you can use some imagination to work out what that means. It's bad enough on its own, but going on about it for almost an entire chapter seems a bit much, no? What good Christian parents would want children reading disgusting passages like that?

First of all, I don't think most children would even comprehend this passage. Anyways, merely speaking of something that is "disgusting" does not make the book itself disgusting. It's not even condoning the subject of your objection, so you have nothing to complain about.

2 Samuel 13:1-22: Ammon says to his half-sister Tama 'Come lie with me, my sister.' She refuses and he ***** her anyway. Again, who would want their children to read about stories of **** such as this? Children who may stumble upon this may come to the belief that such a **** is OK, and what Christians would want that?

Does the Bible ever say that **** is a good thing? And after you just got done looking at the above passage? This is amazingly contradictory, and I'm going to have to say it again. Just because the Bible is talking about **** does not mean it condones it.

Romans 5:12: 'Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned'. This says that before Adam sinned, there was no death. This is clearly untrue, because death originated back when life first began, billions of years before humans came to being.

How is this unsuitable for children? This looks to me like your just mad the alleged stupidity of a Christian. We aren't ********. The Bible often uses allegories and indirect methods to impart a message as well. It should not always be taken literally. "Death" in this passage could mean many things. Maybe is Human Death, maybe it's a spiritual death, the possibilities are numerous.

Exodus 22:20: 'He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed' So according to this all 3 billion religious believers who are not Christians should be killed. Obviously adult Christians know better than this, but what if a child does not?

And so you think that a child is mentally, physically, and morally capable of locating and killing someone of different faith? Very unlikely. Not only that, this passage is not a command to kill other people, and furthermore, one of the 10 Commandments expressly forbids murder. Saying that they will be destroyed is not the same as asking you to kill them.


1 Samuel 6:19: 'And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.' So he killed over 50,000... for looking in an ark. WTF? Why would anyone want to read about killings in such a way as the Bible proclaims, especially when the killings are often of innocent people, including babies.

"You cannot look upon the face of God and live." I don't know if you've ever heard that before, but someone who would attempt to do so would have to think that he was equal to God himself. Pride, which was Lucifer's sin may I remind you.

Even if that point is moot, you have to consider that if god does exist (hypothetical situation here, for you), then he would have created you, and he knows what your destiny is, AND when the best time for you to die is. He would have every right to destroy you, because he would be just and omnipotent, and your maker to boot.


1 Samuel 18:25-27: Saul orders David to kill 100 Philestines and brings back their foreskins (?!). David goes one step ahead of him and gets 200 instead. Now, the killing on its own is horrible, but the idea of collecting foreskins and bringing them back again is beyond horrid... seriously.

See above. Also note that it was a war, and war is brutal by nature. And also note that it wasn't God's command, it was a Saul's command and David's actions. And again, just because the Bible speaks of something, does not mean that it is condoning or recommending it.

I'll stop there, since I think you get the idea. Overall, the Bible is easily the most violent, blood-filled and sex-obsessed book of all time.

>_>

Plus it has incorrect information. Almost every page seems to involve people being killed or sex references or something else like that.

That's your opinion, and you've failed to realize the allegorical nature of the Bible.

If the Bible were a film, no self-respecting cinema would show it, and if they did it would easily be an 18.

Yeah, I'd give you that. But remember, not all R rated movies are necesarily "bad".

Now, the majority of the atrocities and absurdities of the Bible are in the Old Testament, but such acts are still depicted in the New Testament, especially in Revelation.
And this is the book that children get taught at Sunday school!

Keyword "taught". They are guided and helped to understand correctly.

Yes, they tend to get taught the few good passages the Bible contains, but when the child is older, what if they decide to read some of the passages for themselves, and discover the atrocities that the Bible proclaims, and take it as 'God's word'. And if you think about it, even with stories that they are taught, God drowned everyone on the entire planet except for Noah and his animals? What a ****ing *******.

Your hatred is showing again, and yet this blog is apparently not meant to offend? I'm not offended, but you have done a very poor job of restraining yourself. As to your other arguments, I'm not going to repeat myself, because I already have a few times.

Responses in yellow.

One last thing. In my opinion, censorship is a restriction of freedom and it would be wrong for any government to try it (not that it stops them >_>).
 

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