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I'm probably not gonna read that, but maybe later when I get back. But your still wrong, it's stupid. The characters in those games, with their stupid abilities and stupider names, and it makes it seem like a nice, deep, unexpected story by being convoluted and pointless the whole way through. **** that ****.
No moveset, no Final Smash, something has to be up.
well thats sounding like you want to force ppl to play zelda, every time i hear this reason thats what it always sounds like if ppl want to play sheik they should.
No, it's the SSB Zelda who incorporates attributes from both OoT Zelda and TP Zelda.
Fox also has a few moves shown. However, seeing as how Sakurai is explaining this game to someone who "doesn't know anything about Smash Bros." all of the veteran moves should be updated.
This doesn't say anything about why sheik will be in. this just disproves commonly used cop-outs, and no real arguements about shiek's inclusion in Brawl.
YourHero, you have to be the most ignorant/clueless peron I've seen on these boards in a long time. No offense, just stating a fact.
I don't really care when mindless fanboys "lose respect" for me, just wanted to point out that it's stupid to do so.
they have only shown updates for vets whose moves have been changed so if/when they do a zelda update we will know the fate of sheik
Except it was never stated to be as a playable character. Just like Little Mac and other assist trophies, the characters are updated to look more fit to the environment, especially realistic characters. Only entirely retro things like Excitebike would remain the same. Besides, submitting a design is far different from including it in the game.
Lack of Zelda content can go both ways. If anything, keeping it secret promotes the idea of change.
True, but carrying over a character from a different game is far different than a spell.
Like your other point, this goes both ways. They could be secretive about Sheik returning, or they could be secretive about Sheik not coming back and Zelda getting a new move. I personally think the latter has more reason to be withheld.
They wouldn't have Shiek as anything but a playable. End of stroy.
I agree with this, except for that last bit. It doesn't promote change. CHANGE promotes change. Now you're just making things up, silly.
Perhaps, but if Zelda is anything like she was from Melee, there will be a Shiek transform. And based on the videos and screens so far, she looks ALOT like the one from Melee. That right there is decent grounds to say that Shiek will return, this is a sequel to Melee, afterall.
Hypocrisy levels rising, commander.
Yup, especially since we haven't seen a single character yet that has kept his or her whole moveset from Melee other than a changed down B. . . .
Promote was a poor word to use. I meant indicate.
But no one is saying such things for Ganondorf. It seems a bit signifigant that they were mentioned. And Little Mac doesn't match brawl style, he's merely brought into 3D. Brawl style is detail on every hair, extreme textures, extremely smooth edges, and extreme detail. Sheik could use her melee model for an AT, the Pokemon did...
No it doesn't... Mario was flaunted all over the place and so far he is the most changed character.
True, but it throws the whole "continuity means Sheik is out!111!!" out of the window.
Maybe, but seriously, Sheik news in brawl is as good of news as a newcomer. We arn't talking about items or ATs, this is a full blown playable character that would have been revealed, people seem to forget that.
I do believe I provided a persuasive argument with facts that was rebuttled with speculation and interprestations...
That statement is false. I am not your commander, nor are we on a crew deck of any type. In addition, I would never put you incharge of anyting except cleaning my boots, drenched in the blood of fallen posters. Moreover, you would not have the privilage of making any conversation or eye-contact with me whatsoever.
Yes but he's still got that old down-b. Plus. this is an addition, not a complete removal of a CHARACTER with an entirely different strategy.
You bet your *** it was.
Oops! Fail again... The two words mean the same thing in that context, and that still doesn't mean ****, as balladofwindfishes pointed out.
There are key differences between Ice Climbers and Sheik
Would you like me to say it about Ganondorf too, because it entirely possible. Well, actually, Ganondorf obviously has a better chance than Sheik for various reasons, and the interview didn't specify if their designs were to be used for the same thing.
Well, not every veteran has a confirmed set of specials. We've got Mario's confirmed specials, which are different than his Melee's, then we have Fox's, which have only undergone an aesthetic change, something that pretty much all specials have. There's no rhyme or rythm to it, but since silence is generally incriminating, we can try to apply logic to figure out what we don't know.
Not in my opinion. I think continuity has a lot of grey area. Obviously reserving some magic is different than reserving a whole alter-ego.
No, it's actually more like news about a veteran, and since the only Melee starters still unconfirmed are Ness, Captain Falcon, and Sheik, I can infer that it's probably not being done for anticipation.
You provided facts, yes, but the only ones that actually support your argument are the facts that a Sheik design has been submitted and that Farore's wind is part of Zelda's moveset. Everything else was also speculation.
Good to know your ego is as inflated as ever.
My point was just that a character that seems to have almost all of their exact moveset intact is still subject to change. For this reason, none of the moves we've seen Zelda use up to this point hint at the inclusion of Sheik. At all.
I wasn't really thinking of Sheik as a transformation for Zelda but as a separate character. From Zelda she has a completely different Move set except for her Down B. I'm sure Sakurai could do something with that. But Sheik can be a character all by herself. It really depends on what Sakurai does, But think he'll get rid of Sheik. She has too much potential and her own move set. That's something I think Sakurai is not willing towaste. I mean almost all the characters have their same move set from melee and it either revamped or changed in some way. With that I'm just thinking that Sakurai is keeping in everyone that had their own Move set, and change the move set of the clones that were popular and had potential.
Okay, so now were going to go off to Neverland with everyone else who's dreaming in their own world, right?
How would that NOT be for anticipation?
That depends on the perspective.
This is the EXACT same thing with the Shiek is OUT argument.
Exactly. I don't remember ever seeing a logical explanation for why the Ice Climbers should go besides "they're different"/"they suck". There are logical explanations for why Sheik should go, my favourite being that more attention will go to the design of Zelda.
Oh, then I misunderstood. That makes sense. This is why I'm pretty okay with Sheik being a separate character. I don't particularly want her, but it's a good alternative to keep her in that makes the Sheik supporters and non-supporters pretty happy. If Sheik can be in without messing with Zelda, then that's pretty much the best of both worlds.
But not the Sheik 'pro transformation' people happy.
Well, I thought the same thing for a while, but really there is never going to be much of a reason to transform in mid battle, it's really just a waste of a down b for both characters. So yes, they should probably be separate. Shiek NEEDS to return one way or the other as playable though.
I disagree, but the praise is always appreciated.
Who's "pro transformation" though? Not to sound like a jerk, I just don't get what benefit there is to being "pro transformation" instead of just "Pro Sheik" in general. If you like the ability to switch from Zelda to Sheik at will, then tough cookies. I'd like to change from Ness to Pikachu at will, but I can't.
So you want to go from crappy to slightly less crappy huh?
You could say that. I just like the way those characters play, despite their Melee nerfing. About the only "top tier" character I play as is Falco, for reasons other than his tier.
There are no other characters who transform. This adds uniqueness.
Based SHEERLY on the little we've been shown so far.
So then let's just not accept anything that could be even remotely cool becasue it isn't working for you.
I don't know where you've been, but there's little left to discover about Samus/ZSS transformation.
We should keep something that doesn't work purely because you think it's cool? Why do you even transform, I thought
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