why ppl dont want sheik in ssbb

[SiD]

But you can't honestly tell me that Tingle fits more than Sheik, a ninja, can you? Ninja's fight things. Tingle just charges too much to decipher maps. I guess that could be his final smash....

 

[axemangx]

Who said Shiek wasnt going to be in just because he wont have a T/P form? Thats bullcrud. >_>

 

[shinkazenokizzu]

she can return once she is balanced

 

[Kirby knight]

But you can't honestly tell me that Tingle fits more than Sheik, a ninja, can you? Ninja's fight things. Tingle just charges too much to decipher maps. I guess that could be his final smash....

Well honestly I don't know what "criteria" a character has to be in order to fit into SSB. I would of never expected Mr. G&W to fit into Melee but he did in his own unique way.

-Knight

 

[brawlpro]

forget them suckas who hate sheik...zelda sux...

 

[SiD]

Well honestly I don't know what "criteria" a character has to be in order to fit into SSB. I would of never expected Mr. G&W to fit into Melee but he did in his own unique way.

-Knight

Akay, good point. It doesn't matter anyway though, because Sheik was in Melee with a unique moveset so therefore should not be removed.

I heard some people say it's a waste of time for the developers, but it wouldn't take nearly as much time to add in Sheik as it would to make a whole new character, so that argument is null to me.

If anyone can give me a valid reason to remove her, then we'll talk, but until then she deserves a spot, albeit with some balancing done to her.

 

[RBinator]

"Sheik was unbalanced."

And most of the other top and high tier characters wasn't? I guess Fox should have never gotten in Brawl right? Not having characters return is better then toning them down isn't it? Sheik isn't so godly at the metagame play from what I seen. In fact, I seen the space animals be far more broken then Sheik. Oh sure it takes a lot more skill with the space animals, but that doesn't change the fact that when played to their full extend, they can do well against just about everyone.

And I thought we all knew that Sheik is in fact a shemale...

 

[TheSpindoctor]

The argument that shiek cant be in brawl because she hasn't been in a recent game is preposterous.

Neither has Game and Watch or Ice climbers!!! Its been at least 15 years since game and watch adn ice climbers had a game!!! But they are both in!!!

Why should one character be able to use that argument, but one character/s cant!

 

[Kunitsuna]

Because, while there are many other Legend of Zelda characters who deserve to get in over Sheik, there are no Game & Watch characters who deserve to get in over Mr. Game & Watch.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I want Sheik removed mostly cause I want space for other Zelda characters that I think are more important to the Zelda franchise. This I've explained thousends of times before, and now I'm gonna do it again. I want Sheik removed because :

Sheik holds no real history to the Zelda franchise unlike let's say... Skull Kid, Midna and even Tingle and Zant. All of these characters have either appeared in more games than Sheik, or had a more important role in the game they hail from. Sheik - no mather how you look at it - was still just the disguise of Zelda in one solo Zelda game.

Sure, in the time Melee was in production, the Zelda/Sheik duo was a good idea since Ocarina of Time was still fresh in the mind of everyone since it was deffinatly the N64's best overall game. At that time it actually made sence to have Sheik in Brawl. However, I personally still think Skull Kid would be a better choice since he had a more important role in Majora's Mask than Sheik had in OoT, and he was in OoT aswell.

Anyhow. Now we're 5 years later, and 4/5 (??) Zelda games richer, which all introduced very well developed characters like you can expect from the Legend of Zelda. With the latest major console game being Twilight Princess, that game is now still very fresh in our mind. Sakurai obviously knows that, and that's (atm atleast) most Zelda related updates are also Twilight Princess related, so that's only logical that we get TP related Zelda characters aswell right? So far, we already have the Gale Boomerang for Link -who was so called representing all Links right??- so who said Zelda won't have TP adjustments? Mario got a new Down B aswell right?

Also, you might all bring up that Sheik has an original moveset but whoever said that Sheik's style and some of her moves can't be translated to another character? Take Ike for example, surely he won't be all original. I once had my doubts about it, but I think Ike's gonna replace Marth aswell, but still take some of Marth's moves into his moveset.

And who'll be that character for Sheik I hear you ask? Well, you might already have guessed it, but I think Zero Suit Samus fills in that role prefectly. Zero Suit Samus is basically pretty much the same concept as Sheik; both are rather obscure "disguises" for the original character (more in the sence of: "Whoa is that Samus/Zelda!?"), both are the agile, faster and "weaker" versions of the orignal character and both have whips and projectiles (not a huge agruement I know but the similairity is still there).

But yeah, some of you will probarly think now : "Why's Zero Suit Samus more deserving than Sheik?" Well, I think that's mostly because Zero Suit Samus is a Metroid character and Sheik's a Zelda character. Metroid desperately needs more representation than just Samus, which is hard, since the only major Metroid characters are Ridley and Samus herself, so they included a different style of playing as Samus, simple as that. That way, we still have Sheik in some way in Brawl and have more Metroid reprentation and have a completely new Zelda character... Now if that isn't worth the sacrefice of Sheik, I don't know what is.

There, not one word about how overpowered she was in Melee. I'm so pround of myself. Comments appreciated.

 

[Noshiee]

well, Sheik is not a whole new character, he is in fact part of Zelda, the fact that he is still Zeldas Down B wouldn't take the spot of another character, he doesn't appear in the selection screen...does he?

 

[vonfinell]

Should at all times be referred to as "he/she/it/potatoe"

Oh, I didn't realize you played Smash Bros, Vice President Quayle

The whole point of a character's strength imbalance is that it doesn't take the player's skill into account. Of equal skill, Pichu cannot defeat Sheik. Simple as that.

That's all in a theoretical sense. I beg to say that someone who is as skilled with Pichu as I am with Sheik could defeat me as said characters. What that says about our individual skills at the game as a whole is irrelevant.

Will the Sheik mains from Melee wither away and die if Sheik is not included?

No, but you understand what I mean. It's not fair to take away a character when you don't need to.

No, it's more that the production time could be better spent on said new characters. Much better spent imo. Sheik is outdated in the Zelda franchise and only has a fanbase of those that love the moveset of Sheik rather than the actual "character". That is not a "legitimate" reason for being in Brawl.

If the Sheik moveset is transferred to another character, that's fine by me. People don't hate Sheik for being Sheik, just like people don't like him that way. People blame Sheik's moveset. Since there would be very little revamping needed and just one more B attack and a Final Smash to think up, it would take minimal time to make a large portion of the fanbase happy to simply keep Sheik in. If you can satisfy the fans, which is the reason one should make a video game, than that counts as a legitimate. There is no reason to take Sheik out, so why should you?
Nothing is putting a limit on the number of characters Sakurai and the rest of the crew can make, so what should stop him from keeping all the originals and only adding more and more? Taking out an original character under any circumstances simply isn't smart. (Unless it's a clone character, that's different) Imagine what Mortal Kombat Armageddon would have been if they didn't include a large block of the population? I know it's not exactly the same since Brawl (hopefully) isn't the last game in the series, but it's a similar concept. Even the small number of people that play as Stryker would have complained, despite the overwhelming number of people that hate him. (Which I also don't understand.)
The point is, most people will call foul when a character is played by a lot of good players, but all of the people I play against know that I beat them because I'm a better player, and it has nothing to do with Sheik. I admit that I can't play very well as any other characters, but that is because I haven't trained as them or spent the time to master them. If I stopped everything and trained with Marth or Link, I could probably reach the same level of skill with them as I have with Sheik and after years of playing as them as I have Sheik, than I would be just as good. However, I don't have that kind of time to throw away on a video game.

-End of Counter-rant-

 

[BokutoGuy]

well, Sheik is not a whole new character, he is in fact part of Zelda, the fact that he is still Zeldas Down B wouldn't take the spot of another character, he doesn't appear in the selection screen...does he?

ugh all this thread is about whinning over shiek's unbalanced moveset, i dont care the least if shiek makes it or not

 

[Bassoonist]

I don't have anything against Sheik. I never played competitively of course... but I think she should return. She has a unique moveset, though personally I didn't find her to be too fun of a character. Oh well. Doesn't mean she shouldn't return!

 

[Kirby knight]

If Zamus was pretty much given the same exact moveset as Sheik would you even care if Sheik returned or not as a character?

-Knight

 

[vonfinell]

If Zamus was pretty much given the same exact moveset as Sheik would you even care if Sheik returned or not as a character?

-Knight

Yes, because to get to Zero Suit Samus you need to activate Samus' Final Smash. If Zamus were a separate character entirely, I wouldn't mind.

 

[RBinator]

My replies in red text.

I want Sheik removed mostly cause I want space for other Zelda characters that I think are more important to the Zelda franchise. This I've explained thousends of times before, and now I'm gonna do it again. I want Sheik removed because :

Sheik holds no real history to the Zelda franchise unlike let's say... Skull Kid, Midna and even Tingle and Zant. All of these characters have either appeared in more games than Sheik, or had a more important role in the game they hail from. Sheik - no mather how you look at it - was still just the disguise of Zelda in one solo Zelda game.

What do you mean no matter how you look at it? Are you saying there's no possible way to view Sheik except the way you said? Well, there's one thing I can say Sheik did and was at times guided adult Link throughout the game. How "important" that is will basically be left up to opinion like many things around here.

Sure, in the time Melee was in production, the Zelda/Sheik duo was a good idea since Ocarina of Time was still fresh in the mind of everyone since it was deffinatly the N64's best overall game. At that time it actually made sence to have Sheik in Brawl. However, I personally still think Skull Kid would be a better choice since he had a more important role in Majora's Mask than Sheik had in OoT, and he was in OoT aswell.

Who outside of Nintendo and Sakurai decides what makes sense and what doesn't? Couldn't people go back and forth all day about who thought which characters made sense and who didn't?

Anyhow. Now we're 5 years later, and 4/5 (??) Zelda games richer, which all introduced very well developed characters like you can expect from the Legend of Zelda. With the latest major console game being Twilight Princess, that game is now still very fresh in our mind. Sakurai obviously knows that, and that's (atm atleast) most Zelda related updates are also Twilight Princess related, so that's only logical that we get TP related Zelda characters aswell right? So far, we already have the Gale Boomerang for Link -who was so called representing all Links right??- so who said Zelda won't have TP adjustments? Mario got a new Down B aswell right?

Most Zelda related stuff shown thus far is TP related (except for the music), that much I can't deny. Heck, I would like to see a TP character playable, Midna. Mario's special moves update also proven that returning characters moves won't all be the same. However, if we're gonna compare other game series here, then it's been proven that Sakurai doesn't always go with the newest stuff. Pokémon Trainer's first gen starters for example, rather then fourth gen. Of course, this didn't automatic mean Sakurai will step outside the TP theme.

Also, you might all bring up that Sheik has an original moveset but whoever said that Sheik's style and some of her moves can't be translated to another character? Take Ike for example, surely he won't be all original. I once had my doubts about it, but I think Ike's gonna replace Marth aswell, but still take some of Marth's moves into his moveset.

Personally, I think it would be a waste of both Sheik and other said character if the move set was moved over. Why should a new character be denied their own move set (for the most part) by having moves of a removed character? Ike's connection to Marth is still not fully known yet, but personally I hope he has enough to set him apart from Marth.

And who'll be that character for Sheik I hear you ask? Well, you might already have guessed it, but I think Zero Suit Samus fills in that role prefectly. Zero Suit Samus is basically pretty much the same concept as Sheik; both are rather obscure "disguises" for the original character (more in the sence of: "Whoa is that Samus/Zelda!?"), both are the agile, faster and "weaker" versions of the orignal character and both have whips and projectiles (not a huge agruement I know but the similairity is still there).

But yeah, some of you will probarly think now : "Why's Zero Suit Samus more deserving than Sheik?" Well, I think that's mostly because Zero Suit Samus is a Metroid character and Sheik's a Zelda character. Metroid desperately needs more representation than just Samus, which is hard, since the only major Metroid characters are Ridley and Samus herself, so they included a different style of playing as Samus, simple as that. That way, we still have Sheik in some way in Brawl and have more Metroid reprentation and have a completely new Zelda character... Now if that isn't worth the sacrefice of Sheik, I don't know what is.

They couldn't use Dark Samus if they that badly needed another Metroid character? If Zero Suit Samus had to get in through the "fandom requirement system", I don't think she would have ever gotten in. I can easily see it being that she was hardly important to the series, had a limited role, was another form of another major character, and more. Hmm... come to think of it, maybe I should find a Zamus topic and bring that up.

There, not one word about how overpowered she was in Melee. I'm so pround of myself. Comments appreciated.

As I am, since I fail to see how the overpowered argument holds water.

 

[freeman123]

You guys don't know what unbalanced means. Go play in a Mortal Kombat Deception tournament, where everybody that isn't using Bo Rai Cho or Dairou has automatically lost.

Bo Rai Cho can literally slaughter almost anyone with 2 buttons, and the other person has to have perfect blocking and timing to even stand a chance. Dairou's a little more difficult to use, but in the hands of someone who knows how to use him he's next to unbeatable because he can actually teleport you to the opposite side of the screen any time he wants(and this move is unavoidable) and use distance attacks until your life runs out. That's unbalanced.

Sheik is just good, she's not unbalanced, or broken, or uber, or whatever else people want to call her.

 

[xianfeng]

Well she was only ever in one Zelda game which was released about 9 years ago, in a role where she just taught you songs and turned out to be Zelda. The character of Sheik will probably never ever be used again and is about as significant to the series as Navi, Tael, Ralph or any of those one hit wonders.
She only got in Melee because of how popular OoT was back then and plus now that Zelda has had something to base her moves off (TP, Weapons and Magic) chances are she won't suck as much and won't even need Sheik. If they decide to add her as an individual character than fine otherwise no she should not be in.

 

[The_Corax_King]

The "sheik is not in TP" argument completely phails...

From the videos we have gotten, Zelda has at least two of the same moves she had in melee (up and side B) neither of which were in TP...

Zelda's TP form phailed... she got light arrows... oh wow... (she never even uses the sword everyone was raving about)


We will just have to wait for the Zelda Special Moves post on Dojo...

 

[Vali]

Oh, I didn't realize you played Smash Bros, Vice President Quayle

The more you know.

That's all in a theoretical sense. I beg to say that someone who is as skilled with Pichu as I am with Sheik could defeat me as said characters. What that says about our individual skills at the game as a whole is irrelevant.

I think by your logic you're classing someone who is "as skilled with Pichu" as you are with Sheik of the same skill level. Surely to be that good (or bad) with Pichu as someone is with Sheik would take a lot more skill? I don't call that even skill level. The whole point of the match-up chart is that it's a predicted result based on the merits of the characters. Since there never will be 2 completely evenly matched players this will never be proved of course.

It depends really what you mean by skill level. I'd say it takes more skill from a player to be good with Pichu than it does with Sheik and thus a Sheik player at the same "skill" level as a Pichu player will always be better due to the character's easier combos and better moves. However if you're talking about them being at the same skill level as in the Pichu player can KO the Sheik player exactly as well as the Sheik can KO the Pichu then that's a completely different ballgame.

No, but you understand what I mean. It's not fair to take away a character when you don't need to.

Characters don't just transfer from Melee to Brawl. They need new models, new animations, new everything except a moveset which still needs updating, balancing and tweaking. There is no need for Sheik to return and he/she/it/potatoe shouldn't get in just because he/she/it/potatoe was in Melee. Does the same apply to Doctor Mario? Is there any reason to cut him? He's just a clone after all and his implementation would be far easier than Sheik's due to not having an original moveset. It's not so much the fact that you don't NEED to take away a character, but it's that the time could be so much better spent on putting in new characters. Sheik as a character isn't popular, only the moveset is.

If the Sheik moveset is transferred to another character, that's fine by me. People don't hate Sheik for being Sheik, just like people don't like him that way. People blame Sheik's moveset. Since there would be very little revamping needed and just one more B attack and a Final Smash to think up, it would take minimal time to make a large portion of the fanbase happy to simply keep Sheik in. If you can satisfy the fans, which is the reason one should make a video game, than that counts as a legitimate. There is no reason to take Sheik out, so why should you?

The Sheik moveset would need to be watered down first of all, for balancing. Then would you still want to play the new character or would you find someone new? Like I said before, people would only play as Sheik if he/she/it/potatoe returned and was still top tier. If there are better characters out there that play in a similar style then those that play Sheik will adopt that character and if there isn't a similar style then no doubt those people will adapt to a new playstyle. You would only satisfy the fans if Sheik's moveset remained untouched save for the few additions, otherwise the entire appeal of the character is gone.

Want some reasons to take Sheik out? Well for starters Sheik in Zelda is such a minute unimportant character he/she/it/potatoe is lower than Tingle (yes I know he's important and I love him really, it's just for dramatic effect...don't hurt me ;_; ). Sheik's fanbase is almost entirely based on Melee which is almost entirely based on the moveset. Change the moveset for the worst and you lose almost the entire Sheik fanbase. There are also much better characters that could be included. Brawl has limited production time and any time spent on animating, modelling, whatever on Sheik is time that could've been spent on implementing another popular character or hell even tweaking the overall balance of the game and polishing it up. Sheik also means that Zelda's moveset suffers. It's common sense to balancing, if you have a character that has a transformation that is strong then that character has to suffer for it. A character that has a transformation has to be overall weaker than the middle ground because of the advantage that the adaptability of the transformation provides. That would be if Smash Bros. was balanced at all.

So bascially you're advocating that Zelda should be weaker to incorporate a character with a small fanbase that was unimportant to the the franchise he/she/it/potatoe comes from for the single reason that a lot of people abused his/her/it's/potatoe's overpowered moveset in Melee? And that Sheik for that reason is better than including another character (because yes, there isn't infinite production time)? Really, people need to let go of the Brawl = Melee V2.0 idea. Oh and in your own post you admitted that you don't actually care about Sheik as a character whatsoever :/.

Nothing is putting a limit on the number of characters Sakurai and the rest of the crew can make, so what should stop him from keeping all the originals and only adding more and more?

How about...time? Money? This is the industry, the game has to come out sometime and has to be profitable (I know it will be, but spending HUGE amounts of cash could lower the profits).

Taking out an original character under any circumstances simply isn't smart.

Unless a much better original character could be put there in that character's place.

The point is, most people will call foul when a character is played by a lot of good players, but all of the people I play against know that I beat them because I'm a better player, and it has nothing to do with Sheik.

I couldn't give a rat's *** about how Sheik plays in Melee. I'm talking about Brawl here and Sheik simply does not deserve to make the cut. I'm angry that a lot of people want to keep a character on a moveset so cut the narcissistic drivel about being a good player.

 

[xianfeng]

I'm just saying that TP Zelda doesn't turn into Sheik it's the same as having WW Link turn into Wolf Link. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

 

[Anklez15]

where did u hear people dont want sheik?

 

[vonfinell]

moveset[/B] so cut the narcissistic drivel about being a good player.

Jeez, there's no reason to get unpleasant. I was just defending the character I play as, but obviously somebody doesn't know the difference between intelligent discussion and foaming at the mouth. I'd beg to say that if you're getting this upset over someone opinion on a video game, than I win.

Or would that statement make me narcissistic? Eh, whatever. See you later, Mr. Quayle.

 

[brawlpro]

where did u hear people dont want sheik?

my thoughts exactly...

 

[The_Corax_King]

I'm just saying that TP Zelda doesn't turn into Sheik it's the same as having WW Link turn into Wolf Link. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

Then why does brawl zelda have Din's fire and the teleport (the name escapes me atm)?

 

[Vali]

Jeez, there's no reason to get unpleasant. I was just defending the character I play as, but obviously somebody doesn't know the difference between intelligent discussion and foaming at the mouth. I'd beg to say that if you're getting this upset over someone opinion on a video game, than I win.

Or would that statement make me narcissistic? Eh, whatever. See you later, Mr. Quayle.

Hahaha, upset? Dear me, I rather think you're the one upset over that little sentence. I honestly don't care for people that say sentences like "but all of the people I play against know that I beat them because I'm a better player" that have nothing really to do with anything that's being discussed. You also clearly don't know what narcissism is, but you can "win" if that makes you happy.

 

[Noshiee]

I'm just saying that TP Zelda doesn't turn into Sheik it's the same as having WW Link turn into Wolf Link. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

TP Zelda doesnt have Din's Fire, Farore's Wind, or Naryu's Love, wait...ZELDA NEVER HAD those powers, not even in OoT or any other Legend of Zelda game, Link has never used Triforce Slash, Mario has never used Marios Finale, Kirby has never been able to use powers that he hasn't absorved (rock, slash thing, hammer, Kirby 64 Fire...), Pit has never used his Bow as blades, Pokemons have never shared damage meters (does in any pokemon game, when you switch a dying pokemon for another, that has not been used in a battle since you last visit to a pokemon center, has shared his damage?)...no...but they do in smash couse those details DOESN'T MATTER in this game, is NOT REALISTIC!...

 

[Doggalina]

I want Sheik and Tetra so I can settle the age-old dispute of Ninjas vs. Pirates. Oh, and we should just throw Flint from Mother 3 in there too so the Cowboys don't get upset.

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

Why do I hate Shiek? Simple.

I play casually.

Shiek DOMINATES casual play. Any braindead monkey with two opposable thumbs and two braincells to rub together can own anyone not playing as a higher tier character. Case-in-point, my little brother. With ANY other character, he couldn't get a kill on me to save his life. Give him Shiek, and he gets three. (out of five) Now if that isn't proof that Shiek is overpowered, I don't think anything does.

BTW, character wise, I have no prob with Shiek coming back. The more the merrier for Brawl. What I DO NOT support is Shiek's super-uber-powered moveset.

 

[Yukiwarashi]

Heh, oh the hypocrisy...

So many people complain and flame when one suggests that Sheik or Falco be removed from the game, but then when it comes to characters like Mewtwo and Jigglypuff, "Oh, it's okay to remove them. They have no importance to the franchise and they sucked anyhow."

Being on topic, it doesn't matter if Sheik is in the game or not to me. I never really cared for it.

 

[blayde_axel]

I can't wait till everyone's returned so everyone can calm down.

BTW, with the idea of collectivity and the cornucopia of characters... no one's gonna be gonzers.

 

[RBinator]

I got a solution to Sheik being "overpowered" in casual play. Get better then the other player. No seriously, that would solve quite a lot of problems.

I can't wait till everyone's returned so everyone can calm down.

BTW, with the idea of collectivity and the cornucopia of characters... no one's gonna be gonzers.

Are you sure about everyone coming back? Sometime last year, Sakurai said that everyone isn't returning. He may or may not have changed his mind, but right now, his word still stands. Now which or how many characters won't return is still up in the air.

Also, people mention Zelda transforming into Sheik breaking her character. Any reason why this applies to them and not Bowser? Since when could Bowser ever transform into Giga Bowser in the Mario games?

 

[blayde_axel]

Also, people mention Zelda transforming into Sheik breaking her character. Any reason why this applies to them and not Bowser? Since when could Bowser ever transform into Giga Bowser in the Mario games?

Honestly. I was gonna bring this up, but someone's gonna say, "BUT IT'S ONLY IN SMASH BROTHERS! SO IT MAKES SENSE!"

 

[SirroMinus1]

Ok, lately their have been ppl crying about the fact they don't want sheik in ssbb, which i personally think that sheik is a great character and not including her is stupidity. anyways im making this tread for the simple reason for all the sheik haters out their and ask why do you not want sheik to make it is it the sheik grudge and if they fix would it be fine then and to all the sheik fans like me what should they to sheik for brawl ?

easy combos much. no skill much. but idk if she is in or not

 

[RyokoYaksa]

Since Brawl is the perfect opportunity to make Sheik not one of the most detestible characters as she (Sshe. SHE, DAMMIT) is in Melee, I won't say anything about excluding her in Brawl.

However, if you really don't think Sheik is broken in Melee, you to wake up and face reality.

 

[Pizzaguylol]

My best friend mains Sheik, Marth, and Samus. Thats two High Tier and one middle. He says its his skill, not his characters, that make him own. I played as Sheik and he played as Ganondorf (my main), and I owned him with 3 lives left.
Edit: Oh also, I hope Sheik is back just because its a cool character. I don't care if she's uber.

 

[Bendu]

Anybody who says that Sheik isn't imbalanced is just being argumentative. Because I think most people who pick up Melee for the first time discover Sheik's power pretty quickly. And then immediately start to abuse it in matches before they find a character they really like. I have a theory that most people don't really like Sheik all that much, because she's such a boring character to play as. And if Sheik had the same potential as everyone else they would play as somebody else with a more fun moveset.

The thing is, Sheik has an overpowered usmash (I believe it's usmash, haven't played with her in a long time) coupled with speed. You can combo the hell out of someone with Sheik. And then just use her usmash (which hits above, and to both sides, if I remember correctly, and sends the opponent straight up through the ceiling, on top of being ridiculously strong). Characters shouldn't have great combo abilities and great KOing abilities at the same time. Bowser can't combo nearly as good as Sheik, after all. And I don't think he even has as good a smash attack as Sheik's usmash. Not to mention she's workable in the air as well with a good fair (Again, I'm just remembering that one powerful attack, haven't played her in forever.)

And her special attacks are all ******** and boring anyway.

 

[xianfeng]

TP Zelda doesnt have Din's Fire, Farore's Wind, or Naryu's Love, wait...ZELDA NEVER HAD those powers, not even in OoT or any other Legend of Zelda game, Link has never used Triforce Slash, Mario has never used Marios Finale, Kirby has never been able to use powers that he hasn't absorved (rock, slash thing, hammer, Kirby 64 Fire...), Pit has never used his Bow as blades, Pokemons have never shared damage meters (does in any pokemon game, when you switch a dying pokemon for another, that has not been used in a battle since you last visit to a pokemon center, has shared his damage?)...no...but they do in smash couse those details DOESN'T MATTER in this game, is NOT REALISTIC!...

Then let's give Mario a sword and make him 50 feet tall also give him a laser blaster and Fox's shine.

 

[SiD]

Characters don't just transfer from Melee to Brawl. They need new models, new animations, new everything except a moveset which still needs updating, balancing and tweaking. There is no need for Sheik to return and he/she/it/potatoe shouldn't get in just because he/she/it/potatoe was in Melee. Does the same apply to Doctor Mario? Is there any reason to cut him? He's just a clone after all and his implementation would be far easier than Sheik's due to not having an original moveset. It's not so much the fact that you don't NEED to take away a character, but it's that the time could be so much better spent on putting in new characters. Sheik as a character isn't popular, only the moveset is.

You couldn't be more wrong. Doctor Mario wouldn't be any easier at all, it would be the same as Sheik. Difference is, Sheik isn't a clone.

If you really think it takes as long to make a character return as it does to make a new character, your delusional. To bring her back, sure they need to redo her animations/model. Other than that, it's just balancing. I really don't think this part takes that long.

For a new character, however, they have to completely do their model from scratch. They have to completely create a moveset. And because it's a new moveset, they don't know how it can be abused as much as Sheiks, so balancing would take longer too.

TO sum it up, Sheik deserves a spot because she would take WAY less time than a new char, she's unique, Ninjas>pirates, and for the simple fact that she was a non-clone in Melee. I think she should be a separate character this time around, but still. I don't even personally like playing as Sheik, but I do think she's cool, and unlike what you asuume, not just because of her moveset.


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