Why does everyone think Olimar is so hard to play as?

[Zook]

I was browsing through the 'Hardest Character to play as' thread, and Olimar was nearly in everyone's list.

What's so hard about him? I picked him up fairly easily, and the only thing that might make him hard is his recovery. Otherwise, he has good smashes, arials, and a great super armor move.

 

[ufo90]

It does take getting used to his timings, when is a good time to pick pikmin and his recovery is a challenge at first so I would bet lots of players try him and get discouraged by the way he reacts compared to what they have seen other people do.

 

[1048576]

The grab was hard for me to get used to, and the smashes have strange properties and like zero blockstun.

 

[Blistering Speed]

I have a friend who is missing an index finger, so he has alot of trouble hitting the Z button, so he can't play Olimar.

 

[ufo90]

I use a wii-mote on it's side to play Olimar and i do fine. You should suggest that to your friend. [minus button is grab]

 

[AcesWild]

From what I've gathered from the few people that I know who tried Olimar, is that they just didn't want to deal with the Pikmin. They felt it was to much of a hassle to have to keep plucking them and figuring out which one to use at the right time.

 

[asob4]

the hardest thing about olimar is keeping track of your line and knowing the spacing and general attributes of each pikmin
knowing when to throw the right pikmin, or getting that grab with a blue one for that kill

another thing is his recovery
so easily gimped but you have to find ways around it

plus his set in stone combo's can be hard to pull off sometimes, and continuing them afterwards can be hard but very possible

that's what makes him hard to learn imo

 

[BlackWaltzX]

Who uses the Z button?

 

[Rocann]

Me for pivot grabbing

 

[Maniclysane]

Lol people put Diddy Kong as hard to use too.

 

[Aztec Avenger]

I never thought of using Z to pivot grab, I should try that now.

 

[DarkPikmin]

People don't like keeping track of all the pikmin. They must find it difficult or annoying or something...

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

He's harder to use than a lot of characters.

 

[BlackWaltzX]

Me for pivot grabbing

Why not cstick the grab?
Also, the general 'press z a lot' is in reference to just standing around and spamming grab.
This is strange as every character spams a move but like.. Jigglypuff, Mario, Luigi (nair though?), Peach ('cept on large enemies) and uh.. -some-Bowsers.
That's the major stuff I can think of. I'm not thinking of Ganon, CF and a mess of others, just the more frequently seen ones.


EDIT) I changed the word 'my' to 'why'.

 

[Rocann]

c-stick the grab?

idk why I would do anything complicated, it's so easy just hit other direction and Z

 

[DarkPikmin]

I can pivot grab with both Z and the c-stick but I prefer good ol' Z

 

[asob4]

c-stick the grab?

idk why I would do anything complicated, it's so easy just hit other direction and Z

/agree

it's so easy to just hit z

 

[BlackWaltzX]

I haven't hit R or Z since 64. ):


EDIT)) OK, Rich.

 

[RichBrown]

I haven't hit your mom since 64

wait

yeah i have

 

[RichBrown]

just kidding

 

[Dabuz]

olimar is hard to play as because people can't stand being called cheap spammers(unless they main mk) so mindgames irl is what makes oli hard to play as, aslo, yes, i HAD to indent this post and put "HAD" in caps​

 

[Nitrix]

Olimar is not hard to play at all. All you do is stand in the center, throw pikmin and spam smashes. Thats it.

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

Some people would say he is difficult purely based on pikmin. They all have different properties, some are better for grabs, air game, range, and latching properties. Its too much for a typical player. But i also agree about diddy as well as the vast amount of ATs that go into his play also.

 

[KillerSOS]

Olimar is not hard to play at all. All you do is stand in the center, throw pikmin and spam smashes. Thats it.

obviously you either are not very good or you have never played a good Olimar...

 

[mars16]

All Im going to say is he's atually easy to master

 

[IcyLight]

All Im going to say is he's atually easy to master

typical player who hasn't vsed a good oli.

But, Z button ftw for pivot grabbing. that's it as oli.

Honestly though, on topic, I think Olimar is an extremely easy character to use; but on the contrary I find him to be one of the most difficult to be really good as. He's easy to pick up but hard to be good with him. You can't just spam side-b and cstick or you are gaurenteed to lose to anyone who knows anything about the game. The biggest things is how gimpable his recovery is.

 

[KillerSOS]

All Im going to say is he's atually easy to master

So says the Jan joiner with 10 posts... play real Oli then tell me he is easy.

 

[Dyyne]

^^ Poor response, considering I thought the same thing about you when you joined, and people probably thought about me....Although I do agree with you haha. So hard to not be hypocritical lawl.

 

[RichBrown]

Oli just fit naturally for me. I think it's because when I first started playing the friends I played with (who almost all quit because Tiff and I scared them away hahaha) never used to attempt to gimp me, so his recovery was an after thought. Nobody really tried to knock off pikmin, and everyone walked into my grabs, so I was essentially untouchable and ungimpable, and I could rack up damage crazy fast.

Gradually over time I learned to keep track of my line and have pikmin on the field. Both have become an afterthought now, which is nice since I play against good players now. A lot of people who have never really played/played against an Olimar tend to ask me if I keep track of my line, and it actually surprises them when I say yes. So yeah, I think a lot of people are scared away by Olimar because at higher levels of play there is actually a LOT to keep track of. Of course, if you can keep track of it, then you ****.

I've been playing pikmin 2 for the past week to get in touch with my inner oli, and I must say I feel really refreshed/connected LOL

This is the longest non-topic post I've made in recent memory

 

[asob4]

people get amazed when i tell them that too rich hahahah

actually, when i give out advice i tell them to keep track of them too, because it'll give them an idea of what to look out for


i need more purples, but i'm too lazy to go into that cave and farm so i haven't been playing hah

 

[Dyyne]

^^Therefore, olimar is hard to master :D (@rich)
Like any character, it's getting good at the little details that require mastering a character, and oli, imo, has a good amount of little details (efficient pivot grabbing comes to mind) that don't just require practice (SHDL, although falco is still pretty complex). So, as stated somewhere above, he's easy to pickup, but difficult to master.

 

[peeup]

Olimar is extremely easy to play with. His grab is insane, his smashes are insane, his projectile is insane... he's easy to pick up--there's no denying that. When you try to really, REALLY get good with him, though, it gets harder. Knowing how to use each color effectively, knowing how to recover... I still don't think he's the hardest to play as. ZSS?

 

[White Out]

He honestly isn't that hard thou i was really discouraged the first time i play against a marth
I switched my main to GaW but i still do some tournies with Olimar alot of people don't understand pikmen control being able to keep track of 8 different characters at once isn't for everyone

 

[asob4]

it's technically 7 to keep track of >.>

 

[DtJ Hilt]

it's technically 7 to keep track of >.>

you, your opponent, and the six pikmin...


Not to mention there's also keeping track of how many times you've whistled so you know what'll come up next.

 

[asob4]

touche hilt, touche

i watch myself more than i watch my opponent O.o

i like watching myself do fancy things :3

 

[willgums]

I didnt find him hard to play as, the only thing that felt weird was having to keep track of pikmins abilitys and thinking what to do next, but once you play as him for a couple days, its second nature

 

[KillerSOS]

I didnt find him hard to play as, the only thing that felt weird was having to keep track of pikmins abilitys and thinking what to do next, but once you play as him for a couple days, its second nature

Yeah i guess. Play someone who knows the matchup though =/

 

[Kyas]

While Olimar can get a leg up if played right in almost every match, he has one fault that complicates things: Olimar is based almost entirely on countering. This makes his playstyle often very indirect and in some matchups mentally demanding. Other than that, no, he's not that hard to use.