Whose Mafia Is it Anyway - Game Over!

[#HBC | Ryker]

Considering the fact that the game is about lynching scum, I'm down for lynching Soup. I firmly believe that he is lying.


I'm also going to pull a not-me and choose not to respond to Ran. I feel no need to prove that he was weird about hopping on the wagon; it was painfully obvious.

Okay, you're down for lynching Soup. Would you rather do it today or tomorrow? I'm still not sure what you want.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Lore is easily ignored and is solved by NAR. I'm not trying to be mean but people are trying to say that lynching Lore/Me won't reset the day but I disagree. In the event I'm wrong? Well, I'll eat ****ing crow. If lore is scum then I'll have to reconsider a few things, but I would say on a Lore scum-flip there's no ****ing way Spak fakes that interaction with him early.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Lore is easily ignored and is solved by NAR. I'm not trying to be mean but people are trying to say that lynching Lore/Me won't reset the day but I disagree. In the event I'm wrong? Well, I'll eat ****ing crow. If lore is scum then I'll have to reconsider a few things, but I would say on a Lore scum-flip there's no ****ing way Spak fakes that interaction with him early.

Why is Lore more easily solved by NAR than any other slot?

 

[ranmaru]

Frozenflame, Soup has defaulted to AtE more than once already. I'm pretty sure it's manufactured and Soup has the range to do so as scum and has done so. Let me get you a quote.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Mannnnn my boys Tom and marshy jumping from Lore wagon to soup wagon after claim when the wagons were 4-4 looks hella ****in grim to me like damn thats some opportunistic ****, the more I look at that the worse I feel about those slots =(

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

PYTHAG

Spoiler

 

[Lore]

Okay, you're down for lynching Soup. Would you rather do it today or tomorrow? I'm still not sure what you want.

Sorry, should be more clear.

I want Soup as today's lynch.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Why is Lore more easily solved by NAR than any other slot?

Because he's a lightning rod, man. Name a single person who has townread Lore besides me and Spak. I know that sounds crazy, like I seriously just laughed about it IRL but think about it. He's been the town's villain for so long I can see him getting vigged, tracked, you name it.

 

[ranmaru]

Let me lay out why I firmly believe soup is scum and not a pr and why I am eager for his lynch:

1. He stated disagreement on Spak page 10. Doesn't respond.
2. Tom brings up soups vote count mistake, soup explodes when it is not a normal reaction.
3. He claims early.

All in all, he cares more to respond to Tom which *escalates* him to what he wants, to claim early and get people off him, instead of conversing about reads he disagrees with. This is playing with a survival mindset, not a scum hunting one.

Keeping myself sane. I don't know why it's DGames that tends to tilt me but I've spent my time away from here playing on other sites. I feel like others sometimes get this idea that they can rattle me and believe that's the only way to read me, but this is frustrating personally because I don't want that to be the case. Kary plays how Kary does but for Ran to give me close to the same treatment just pinched a nerve.

 

[Tom]

.Plus I’m having trouble wrapping my head around Lore being ALLOWED to play so badly without someone on his team telling him to stop posting where as with Soup I can see an explosion AtE post and then backpedaling after confirmation with a team.. it does feel gross to lynch a potential PR on day 1 but it’s also like.. what the **** do I gain from him being alive D2 if he gets there. Plus like we could just **** around and win the game during the day phases continuing on anyways.

What a conundrum.

I'm p sure one of us has played scum and literally refused to speak to scumteam before. Think it was you.

Mannnnn my boys Tom and marshy jumping from Lore wagon to soup wagon after claim when the wagons were 4-4 looks hella ****in grim to me like damn thats some opportunistic ****, the more I look at that the worse I feel about those slots =(

I did what now?

 

[ranmaru]

FrozenFlame, have you been hard reading soup as town simply due to his tone?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

id say i have a light noobtown read on pythag, but i wanna press him for sure toMorrow. in short, pythags play has been very lowkey, and not super willing to make hard plays. but i see the threads of his scumhunting, and his reaching out to ask questions, and i can follow most of where his head is at. his development and rationales behind his spak, lore, and soup reads make sense to me, and he does try to interact with players early on in his soup suspicion, and stops pressing the issue too much when he finally decides to default on it when he notices that hes not acting out of character, necessarily. id rather see lore or orange dead before him. his play is consistent, but hes not tryna pander the thread like orange is tryna say. thats ****ing bull****

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It's like nobody read the setup and saw there was a possible vig. Scum doesn't play the setup like they are now being loud and boisterous, especially not on D1.

Not trying to make that condescending I promise

 

[Fandangox]

Because he's a lightning rod, man. Name a single person who has townread Lore besides me and Spak. I know that sounds crazy, like I seriously just laughed about it IRL but think about it. He's been the town's villain for so long I can see him getting vigged, tracked, you name it.

Kary.

 

[Tom]

Where is marshigio

 

[ranmaru]

lmao his true name

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Kary.

Ye dun ****in' say? That also made me laugh.

id say i have a light noobtown read on pythag, but i wanna press him for sure toMorrow. in short, pythags play has been very lowkey, and not super willing to make hard plays. but i see the threads of his scumhunting, and his reaching out to ask questions, and i can follow most of where his head is at. his development and rationales behind his spak, lore, and soup reads make sense to me, and he does try to interact with players early on in his soup suspicion, and stops pressing the issue too much when he finally decides to default on it when he notices that hes not acting out of character, necessarily. id rather see lore or orange dead before him. his play is consistent, but hes not tryna pander the thread like orange is tryna say. thats ****ing bull****

What do I do out here in Mars if I respectfully disagree? This isn't aimed to you but have you really been thinking Me/Lore/Spak could be a scum team here?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBWOP: This isn't aimed at you entirely*

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

youre such a defensive ****** dude i would love you to show me where ive been scumreading you

 

[KevinM]

I'm p sure one of us has played scum and literally refused to speak to scumteam before. Think it was you.

I used to do it to fairly often but that you pick your battles on people that aren't going to make a lot of noise. IE Rockin I did it too once, as well as usually any time I was paired with a new player. Great introduction into mafia tbh.

 

[KevinM]

Welcome to mafia you idiot. never talk to me and dear god am I gonna bus the **** out of you.

 

[KevinM]

I was such an ambassador for the brand

 

[Lore]

Ran, that post in no way clears up your weird behavior. The explanation post came a decent bit after the original "I'll vote if everyone else is down for it" post. I've quoted for convenience.

I am ready to flip soup, and feel we got enough out of him that I would vote him if others were fine if he were lynched right now. I did the same last game before voting Tom I think.

Let me lay out why I firmly believe soup is scum and not a pr and why I am eager for his lynch:



1. He stated disagreement on Spak page 10. Doesn't respond.

2. Tom brings up soups vote count mistake, soup explodes when it is not a normal reaction.

3. He claims early.



All in all, he cares more to respond to Tom which *escalates* him to what he wants, to claim early and get people off him, instead of conversing about reads he disagrees with. This is playing with a survival mindset, not a scum hunting one.

You were weird first, THEN you actually gave reasons.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

youre such a defensive ****** dude i would love you to show me where ive been scumreading you

You got ninja'd my guy, I'm just trying to get how this all lines up somehow. Maybe you're not thinking about it like that and maybe others aren't, I know it's preemptive but I figure now with all the attention on me I might as well indulge in my crackpot theories feel me?

That's pretty much what the rest of the phase for me has been

 

[Lore]

Here's an even earlier one, which was followed by more Spak and Lore discussion instead of an explanation:

I am ready to vote soup in my next post unless anyone has any objections.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Frozenflame, Soup has defaulted to AtE more than once already. I'm pretty sure it's manufactured and Soup has the range to do so as scum and has done so. Let me get you a quote.

Do what you gotta do man but that chaotic spewing of reads by soup post claim seems authentic stream of conciousness bumbling idgaf town to me, like you're gonna have to persuade me hardcore to believe that was manufactured

Plus I’m having trouble wrapping my head around Lore being ALLOWED to play so badly without someone on his team telling him to stop posting where as with Soup I can see an explosion AtE post and then backpedaling after confirmation with a team.. it does feel gross to lynch a potential PR on day 1 but it’s also like.. what the **** do I gain from him being alive D2 if he gets there. Plus like we could just **** around and win the game during the day phases continuing on anyways.

What a conundrum.

LMAO re: the "how could a scum team allow this horse**** play" hahahaha yeah dude thats why if soup is scum I think he legit doesn't give af about helping his team and has just gone on a solo gambit with no consideration for the long run payoff for his mates. Borderline playing against wincon IMO, which only makes me think hes more likely to be town

I get what you're sayin re: not gaining anything from him being alive D2 other than having a speculative piece of extra info we get upon his flip. Role samples in OP say that oracle reveals alignment of a play that the oracle selected once the oracle dies. So we need to flip soup in order to get the benefit of his claim. This is actually kind of a solid argument for waiting to lynch him D2 if that's what people want to do because then atleast we get a mitigation of the mislynch if his claim is legit because we get the info from his power, assuming he isn't RB'd tonight. If we lynch him today we're just throwing all that potential out the window

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I swear to god I'm repeating myself.

It's not that they need to line up. It's not that I think everyone thinks Lore/Me/Spak must be the team, I do see the other side and it's less about pinning the team and lynching scum. You want to decide who's scummiest out of us 3, who's the best option. I vibe with that more than you think, but my problem with fully agreeing is that I don't really think any of us are scum, yknow?

 

[ranmaru]

Do what you gotta do man but that chaotic spewing of reads by soup post claim seems authentic stream of conciousness bumbling idgaf town to me, like you're gonna have to persuade me hardcore to believe that was manufactured

Tell me more about his play before that. Why do you think he had an outburst? Think about that.

 

[Lore]

I swear to god I'm repeating myself.

It's not that they need to line up. It's not that I think everyone thinks Lore/Me/Spak must be the team, I do see the other side and it's less about pinning the team and lynching scum. You want to decide who's scummiest out of us 3, who's the best option. I vibe with that more than you think, but my problem with fully agreeing is that I don't really think any of us are scum, yknow?

Ngl this entire exchange reads like scum trying to throw WIFOM into the mix pre-flip. "yeah I flipped scum, but I sure did defend two people right? HMMM."

Like cool, you townreading me is nice. But I'm baffled why you're spending your time defending people as town instead of pressuring another slot or trying to get another lynch.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBWOP: And more about just lynching scum*

I've talked my alternatives about things, If Lore is scum I probably look into Ran because I think Lore would try to do some silly distance stuff with him right now that is basically unprompted and genuinely confusing. There's not enough credibility on my gut and I think that Ran pretty much just hard tunneling me right now despite being on Lore for the majority of the time until I claimed PR is kinda whack but I'm sitting here thinking my boy is just misled. Definitely can see how I'm an idiot though.

When it comes to Spak? Probably way harder. Lore/Spark 100% not a team been saying this for ten years. I don't think Spak is trying to distance Pythag unwarranted at the juncture either, it was completely unprompted. I read more than you think I do #HBC | Gorf and I get the feeling you believe Spak just dropping a **** vote on top of his play is more damning than guessing Pythag's intent, which you believe is probably noobtownie.

 

[Lore]

And before you quote this at me, I did find a much earlier explanation:

So here's my thought. I think our best town winning play is lynching Soup. I think he's scum and he is desperate. I also think Lore is scum with him, due to Lore's grimy vote on Soup, which makes much more sense now. He had some sudden reversal and it didn't really make sense until now. Then the third scum... as no surprise... is Spak. Yet I'm more confident Soup > Lore flip scum, and then after we can get Spak. Yes, I think all scum have been wagoned.

If you were this confident, why did you feel the need to ask for permission or approval?

 

[Lore]

I've talked my alternatives about things, If Lore is scum I probably look into Ran because I think Lore would try to do some silly distance stuff with him right now that is basically unprompted and genuinely confusing.

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[ranmaru]

I think it's simple. You don't put someone at L-1 when town is not ready. Putting him at L-1 risks discussion stopping (scum may decide to self hammer) and I'd rather not hurt that. That's the only reason and situation I would do so, and I have history as town doing so. Trying to place a vote at L-1 without considering would mean I just care more about my image than town.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I did what now?

can you tell Im burned out af and rushing ****? fml sorry bro

IMO theory says Soup should be spared 1 night to submit an Oracle action in the event they are town

Thoughts?

Yeah Im just dumb

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I think Ryker/Kevin/Tom is like a nice candybar and one of them is a crunchy scum nougat in the middle. This symbolism is poor. I wish we talked about that more instead. My gut tells me Tom is least likely.

 

[Tom]

B R O W N I E P O I N T S

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

soup, i can buy a world where you, lore and pythag are all town and orange is scum. soup, i think if you get your head out of the tunnel youve projected yourself into and read my analysis youll agree with my thought process regarding pythag. after that, do me a favor and vote orange because you find my logic convincing enough to sheep my vote.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

B R O W N I E P O I N T S

LOL these type of flexes make me feel like ur mocking me don't do this to my little ****boy heart

 

[Tom]

LOL these type of flexes make me feel like ur mocking me don't do this to my little ****boy heart

You ninja me sir, I'm collecting points from effeff

 

[ranmaru]

Bad move, you should have said you were collecting for both.