"Whoops Not a Time Flower, Just YouTube." Lucario Video Thread

[Empire~]

FP to FP is true combo irrc, the double dsmash was me getting used to the tv kinda, all the dsmashes i did were supposed to be sh dairs, so I think the tv had a bit of lag. Ik my recovery was unsafe, but it was a mixup, he hadnt seen me do it yet, he thought it was going to hit him lol. dair onshield was pretty bad, but if i didn't i figured he'd punish my landing anyway, Maybe I could fastfall spotdodge/shield or try to hit him with an asc mixup or something.

Yep, you really needed to mix up your landing. Ksev got hit by dair once at 0.17 (dash attack lag?) but never got hit by dair or nair again as you came down.

 

[Croi]

Some videos of a monthly a week ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_JF9m3c_e4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hBl6vrQU0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_clqUVqyw28 I kinda liked my play for this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iK08cLWCuU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcVD3NtltAc I'm dreadfully underprepared for Sonic :/

Best ones are probably Marth and Wario, but if you want to give some critique (which I wouldn't mind!) I did worst against Bowser.

edit: Here's a wifi match between me and https://youtu.be/MMbwx5ks5Vg I thought I played super well in this video.

 

[Empire~]

unknown's spotdodge habit could have been abused far more.

Just be careful staying in shield at kill % - you were very lucky around 2.40. The rest seemed fine.

I've only watched that and Bowser so far so I'll watch the rest later.

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Sen dealt with asc on the ledge with connecting a drop down upair 4 times in g1. It took you a while to deal with that - 7.20. Dair oos would have been a good option. 6.03

0.32 - ROLLING AROUND AT THE SPEED OF SOUND

In general, you approach with run>shield a lot. Sen was catching onto it with a couple of shieldbreakers, and I think Baloo was trying to catch that or a grab with bite particularly at 2.40+, seeing as you don't dash attack very often. However, it seemed to work out. I'd recommend using dair oos more. Really solid movement overall.

 

[RMF]

Just finished my first offline tournament in 5th in 17 participants this weekend.

Being used with the lag from online matches i`m satisfied with the result.

Sadly I only appeared once on stream, and to make things worse I got really nervous when streamed. I made stupid mistakes as trying to do a down throw>uair instead of upthrow>nair/uair..., useless rolls and downsmashes.
Any advise is welcome!
https://youtu.be/2TKm4ySUvh4?t=2m46s x

 

[MaTA]

From the latest tournament I was at... some fun doubles matches. We'll be at Northewest Majors dropzone tossing aura spheres at people.

Loser Finales - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUb1Z7hQ8u8
Game 3 is my favorite ^

Grand Finales - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P_oHPQF7Ww

 

[L3 Exo]

My match vs. Lycan, hope it helps a bit. (Note - my mentality game 2 was "don't get grabbed")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii9QC_nx15Y

 

[Empire~]

My match vs. Lycan, hope it helps a bit. (Note - my mentality game 2 was "don't get grabbed")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii9QC_nx15Y

From what I can see there aren't any glaringly severe weaknesses, but it is interesting that you don't use asc as an offensive tool. Might just be a playstyle thing.

 

[L3 Exo]

From what I can see there aren't any glaringly severe weaknesses, but it is interesting that you don't use asc as an offensive tool. Might just be a playstyle thing.

Actually, I just recently added in asc to my play, so I haven't really had any matches streamed since. Things I'd have to say, is asc into up smash has been EXTREMELY useful in confirming kills, but in some matches you get punished a bit too much for using it, even if landing it even better in those cases (Ganon and DK as notable examples, notice they punish it surprisingly well if you're not careful. DK can just throw out up-tilts and Ganon up smashes hit just the right angle.) So while I definitely use it consistently now, there are some match-ups I'd consider just dropping it flat out, if not at least tone it down/keep it to ledge guarding.

 

[Empire~]

Yeah, same applies vs Mario

 

[L3 Exo]

I just played on stream a couple of times in today's tournament, played Lycan again as well. Didn't win against Lycan, came VERY close, but it's I feel a good video to post when they get it up, the other one was against a Meta Knight player.

 

[JohnnstR]

"Invincible", my [serious] lucario montage - https://youtu.be/MgW9uVb1PVw
Hope you all enjoy, those are some of my best clips.

 

[L3 Exo]

"Invincible", my [serious] lucario montage - https://youtu.be/MgW9uVb1PVw
Hope you all enjoy, those are some of my best clips.

Just finished watching it, I'd say that as for general Lucario gameplay, there is a lot you can add in, though, I like that you did with your nair follow-ups, and the down tilts into consecutive grabs. Though, it seems like rather than focusing on that the character has to offer, you just focus on your mechanics and reads. Which, while I think you could add stuff like I said that the character has available to him, your reads and general gameplay is pretty solid. Though, I also notice that a lot of the players you're against aren't really punishing you for mistakes made, and you seem unsure what to do at a couple of points in the video (particularly I noticed that during a grab, you were pummeling quite a bit, then stopped, completely pausing before throwing. Just figure while deciding you could potentially have continued pummeling.)
I really liked what you did on the smashville platform with the shield break, haven't considered trying it on that platform till now.

But, I feel like you should play a bit around a bit more with Lucario's tools. You're footstools and dairs were great, your reads on opponents moves (Fox/Pikachu side-b, forward smash using the momentum of boomerang) are very solid, but it feels you're utilizing mainly game mechanics rather than you're own toolbox to win, which don't get me wrong, that's actually a compliment, but if you meshed both together I think you could probably scare quite a bit of people.

 

[Croi]

Had my region's biggest annual tournament last weekend. Came in 4th out of 93. I'm happy that I lost to new talent, but I'm disappointed in my own play in general. I was playing way too scared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o2NVf0gcoQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg8uS2JYn_c switched to DHD game 2 largely because Dreamland is bootycheeks for Lucario.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTBjJ6rhK2s I got dummied in this set, holy ****. I had never played so poorly before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V468kdiMsX8 No idea how to fight Greninja. Don't recover high; bait nair lots. Don't get grabbed. Otherwise just cross my fingers.

 

[JohnnstR]

Just finished watching it, I'd say that as for general Lucario gameplay, there is a lot you can add in, though, I like that you did with your nair follow-ups, and the down tilts into consecutive grabs. Though, it seems like rather than focusing on that the character has to offer, you just focus on your mechanics and reads. Which, while I think you could add stuff like I said that the character has available to him, your reads and general gameplay is pretty solid. Though, I also notice that a lot of the players you're against aren't really punishing you for mistakes made, and you seem unsure what to do at a couple of points in the video (particularly I noticed that during a grab, you were pummeling quite a bit, then stopped, completely pausing before throwing. Just figure while deciding you could potentially have continued pummeling.)
I really liked what you did on the smashville platform with the shield break, haven't considered trying it on that platform till now.

But, I feel like you should play a bit around a bit more with Lucario's tools. You're footstools and dairs were great, your reads on opponents moves (Fox/Pikachu side-b, forward smash using the momentum of boomerang) are very solid, but it feels you're utilizing mainly game mechanics rather than you're own toolbox to win, which don't get me wrong, that's actually a compliment, but if you meshed both together I think you could probably scare quite a bit of people.

Trust me, I do a lot more ingame than these clips. These are just highlights from some gameplay which I agree, are mainly just lucky reads, but that's why it's a highlight montage rather than a gameplay video. Gameplay videos are boring imo, just go watch a set, I posted a couple of my sets a bit ago also. The pummeling thing is normally just online lag eating my inputs, same with wiffed grabs and stuff, it can't all be perfect.

Also, about the toolbox thing: I'm not gonna just put random ASCJCU's or ASCBair's into a montage unless they are after a string/combo; that's just how montages work. Ik those are some main tools, but this is supposed to be cool rather than boring *gameplay*. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. I just wanted it to be more of an entertaining video

However, I do believe the video exemplifies many tactics and uses of fundamentals/tech with lucario. The only tools it seems to be missing are the combos i mentioned above, or just straight up neutral gameplay, which isn't really supposed to be included in a montage.

 

[JohnnstR]

Had my region's biggest annual tournament last weekend. Came in 4th out of 93. I'm happy that I lost to new talent, but I'm disappointed in my own play in general. I was playing way too scared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTBjJ6rhK2s I got dummied in this set, holy ****. I had never played so poorly before.

Main problem I saw was your edge-guarding. The falcon MU is won mainly by your offstage game. What you weren't doing was ASing his recovery offstage (You know AS hits falcon's recovery when he's about to grab edge, right?), when you had multiple oppurtunities. Other than that you had a bunch of tech errors and bad airdodges, and got hit by some random fsmashes. The falcon was also staying onstage to edguard you, which isn't as optimal as dropping down and bairing, so he wasn't doing the best either.

 

[smbmaster99MFGG]

I made a montage yesterday

I still have a lot to learn but I felt like I had gotten to the point where I could feel comfortable making a montage =P feedback would be appreciated

 

[BugCatcherWill]

I got 17th place at Rebirth VI!!! It was a really big Michigan regional that had about 130+ entrants. While my match on stream isn't on YouTube, I have the Twitch vod

http://www.twitch.tv/gooshigaming/v/26961646 (starts around 07:26:00)
Me () vs. Yoshi K. ()
This match was for 3rd or 4th seed in Top 32 and this Palutena ended up getting Top 5 of the whole thing and beat some really good names.

Unfortunately, I don't have my sets vs. Nom or LOE1 recorded where I got bopped or my win vs. AdorableKnight : c

 

[JohnnstR]

Was at a Michigan monthly yesterday and placed 7th/48 in singles and 5th/18 in doubles.
Here are my extremely close games and the thoughts/circumstances in them:
(These were my last sets for both events)

Me vs Dux () - https://youtu.be/d-3tiC9JROE
I beat people better than this guy yesterday.
I actually bodied him 5 times in a row in friendlies. The reason I lost was mostly my mindset, the crowd. and me being tired. I was tired from mostly hunger, which I was stupid enough not to eat dinner by 9 PM. I just wanted to finish the set after game 1 which was really dumb of me. I didn't really wanna share this set because I'm not proud of my many obvious mistakes and wiffs.

Me () and Glacey () vs Dux () and Ludi () - https://youtu.be/mHXSL-u4EgY
Close set, lots of dumb things done by both teams, but that's doubles for you. I died off the top at around 50 like 3 times or something which is basically why we lost the set other than my partner is a bit lacking.

 

[smbmaster99MFGG]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before but I know on Dream Land 64 lucario will more often than not sour land Extreme Speed even if you do what you're supposed to in order to soft land. However after some experimenting I found out you can still soft land consistently. I made a video describing how to do it

Again IDK if this is already known but I figured I'd share just in case. Hope it's useful c:

 

[JohnnstR]

Lucario moments video centered around footstools, but has some good stuff

https://youtu.be/tMsE4xBGSmk

hope you enjoy!

 

[Empire~]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before but I know on Dream Land 64 lucario will more often than not sour land Extreme Speed even if you do what you're supposed to in order to soft land. However after some experimenting I found out you can still soft land consistently. I made a video describing how to do it

Again IDK if this is already known but I figured I'd share just in case. Hope it's useful c:

Thanks!

 

[Croi]

@Vermanubis and I played some wifi on the 3DS recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x4RA6WZ69s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anzq4AXrzE8 I'm fond of game 3 and not completely because he got rekt what up

 

[Shinymonkey8]

Here are the videos from my last monthly, managed to get 1st out of around 50 at this one without dropping a set. I feel like I played really well but I still struggle vs ROB.

Winner's Semis vs Dr. Wa -
Winner's Finals vs Kimidori -
Grand Finals vs Jamnt0ast -

And here are the videos from the big Seattle regional Northwest Majors: Dropzone ft. Zero, which I got 5th out of 150. I've never played the Pikachu matchup before, I could use some advice with that.

Winner's Quarters vs Alphicans -
Loser's Bracket vs Shinkou -
Loser's Top 8 vs Focus -
Loser's Quarters vs Captain L -

 

[Croi]

Another video vs @Vermanubis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayKF5guHvjw

 

[JohnnstR]

New Lucario Moments video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmqV7PpegRw&feature=youtu.be
Hope you enjoy!

 

[Loota]

Well, I managed to win the tournament I mentioned and got some material streamed and recorded, but... out of all those matches, 13 was against Ike and 2 against Robin lawl. I felt like I was playing somewhat sloppy with buttloads of inexplicably stupid SD's but go see yourself if you dare, I haven't yet watched them through myself so I don't really know.

http://www.twitch.tv/smashfinland/v/34490074 WF starting at 09:40 and GF at 1:16:44 (also see 54:08 for ****s 'n giggles)

Summary:
- Ike matchup feels and looks quite even
- I have still no idea of Cloud
- Steam and Kami hasn't got **** on my hat

EDIT: WF and GF in Youtube.

 

[Empire~]

Since you guys talked about the ZSS mu about a week ago on the social thread I thought I might as well post a money match that I had with with my zss-main friend about a month ago. (3 stock bo5)

The matchup revolves around a couple of things: You need to catch zss's short hops as she is rising. Stage control is very important here as staying around the ledge will get you killed. Zss's nair is safe on shield presuming she jabs afterwards - to get around this perfect shield nair/zair -> jab/dtilt/ftilt etc. Don't get grabbed. DI boost kick correctly and according to the situation. Zss's dsmash can catch Lucario recovering to the ledge, so in most cases it is safer to recover to the stage.

Games 1 & 2 are a bit dodgy, 3+ are better. This is pre asc nerf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u1N2lYbWJs

 

[AlexoftheAura]

lol double post

 

[AlexoftheAura]

My doubles matches from a tournament over the weekend

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9UZP8qdKXqrQtAlQFaacm1b5eY1dv9J4

I don't think I payed too bad for not playing the entire month before this but any feedback is appreciated.

Singles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC_YrgUCUDI&list=PL9UZP8qdKXqrp7YUPNDN-I1QnbHOGMleB&index=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqAkTou-qpw&list=PL9UZP8qdKXqrp7YUPNDN-I1QnbHOGMleB&index=12

 

[JohnnstR]

New Lucario montage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqgsoxig5Tc
Enjoy

 

[smbmaster99MFGG]

Huntsville Area Smash League hosted another monthly this last saturday and i ended up getting 4th out of 47 people =P I landed on stream a fair number of times and i'd like some feedback and/or c+c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0fOF4pT3e8 vs /
IDK why but i made a lot of stupid decisions this set. Never felt like i was in trouble but it was still rather mindboggling why i did some of the things i did in this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thvekN9liVw vs
This was a big victory for me. Tigrex used to be on our state's PR and he's a really good player. I've never played against a good Roy before so i was pretty tense and nervous throughout the entire set. The playercam somehow got crooked so you can't see my massive pop-off :v

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HnMpSl0N7g vs /
This was another big victory. Lil BigHam is ranked 7th on our PR. I still made a lot of mistakes but i feel more satisfied with my performance here than i did against Tigrex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrFK8iNkpFM vs
This is the set that netted me 4th =P I honestly had no idea how to fight Spade's Falcon ;A; he's ranked 6th on our PR. I'm hoping to learn this matchup inside and out by the next monthly at HASL

Feedback and c+c (particularly on my set with Spade) would be much appreciated

 

[blaze1216j]

Here is an episode of Lucario Dittos!

 

[JohnnstR]

Latest lucario highlight video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWNwQyMgI7Q

 

[JohnnstR]

Me vs ADVO , Michigan's best Game & Watch - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyVRM1tjUGE

Don't give me advice/tips, I know what I did wrong, also, I know I played ****ty. Thanks.
Just posting this here in hope this helps the matchup knowledge.

 

[smbmaster99MFGG]

>"I played ****ty"
>"Don't give me advice"
?????????????

Anyway just gonna throw these out there because want it or not I like to try and help when and where I can.

You did a pretty good job at keeping things even, but you could have done an ASC JCUS at 1:43, and i'm quite positive, given how light G&W is and where your damage was and his, that if you had done it it would have netted a kill. After your first stock it seemed just from watching that you were trying maybe a little too hard to get in and deal damage or take that stock, and so you took a good amount of damage before you finally took his. You did good at evening things out again, but when he kept dropping down and jumping back up to the ledge you could have sh d-air'd on the ledge and that could have stage spiked him for a kill, but if not it would have at least knocked him away giving you a chance to edgeguard him.

You went for a ton of f-smashes, and you got punished for it a few times, and sometimes you f-smashed when other options were more optimal. You missed a couple punishes, like you could have u-tilted him whenever you spot-dodged his grabs, and you could have FP grabbed him at 3:34 and 6:40. He was facing away so afaik the worst he could have done was up-b oos. You also could have done this at 7:35. You had enough frames to start lucario's laggy f-smash, so you definitely had enough time to land a FP grab.

At 5:39 you luckily didn't get hit this time, but he got you with one at 6:05 so it's probably best not to B-reverse when you're still a good ways above your opponent particularly against characters with intagibility on their u-smashes. I also didn'nt see you ledge guard with ASC a whole lot, like a few times ADVO climbed up from the ledge so quickly after grabbing it you could have sh turn around ASC and either put on some shield pressure or set up for an ASC > u-smash or ASC > b-air.

Hope this can be useful

 

[BugCatcherWill]

So I won my first tourney going 100% Lucario! \ ' ^ ' /
I wish Winner's Semi's was on stream because I did a 0-70 on Suyon's ZSS which killed but oh well I still have WF's and GF's recorded. Oh, well :V

Me () vs Carls493 () https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bee4hMgNNTU

Me () vs Suyon (/) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxDyexf7mRs

I almost had the bracket reset on me because Suyon ended up downloading me super hard games 3 4 and 5. Luckily I managed to Upsmash him at 50 last stock game 5 or else I might have done a lot worse the 2nd set (plus I was nervous since this was the first time I've made it this far lol)

But yeah any and all advice will be appreciated! I kinda got pretty predictable near the end so any sort of input will help! =w=b

 

[Croi]

I clicked on Grand Finals and it crashed my computer, lol

 

[BugCatcherWill]

I clicked on Grand Finals and it crashed my computer, lol

The processor couldn't handle the sheer amount of hype :V

But uhhhh here's the playlist for the tourney, maybe going to the GF's vid from there might help...
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbyInPsI6Tl0yUVcK95uGlH5vEEOZCvub

 

[nannerham]

Sup guys this is the nifty little kill confirm i talked about in the metagame thread

For those wondering its ASC-> fair-> bair it may not be new (if it is tell me lol) but its something that i find criminally underrated, theres some cool things to list about this kill confirm:

1. Its a true combo
2. It acts as a DI trap for when your opponent tries to get out of ASC-JCUS (aura sphere charge jump cancel up smash)
3. It actually can kill earlier than ASC JCUS
4. While the video makes it seem the window for this is tight you actually have a pretty big window of % for when this actually works (20% for fast fallers and 15% for floaty characters)

This is a true combo on every character except: ness, lucas, kirby, g&w, and jigglypuff but it turns into a 50/50 kill set up on them. This combo is at its deadliest on smashvile and can net kills as early as 60% and of course aura and rage make %'s vary. If theres some quirks to this let me know! The more knowlage the better, thank you for reading this.

 

[JohnnstR]

newest luc montage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3hNHRJZVJM