Who needs help with Combos, Damages, Advanced Tactics for Falco, etc.

[Kanibasami]

got a question considering fox waveshine.
do i have to shine - wavedash - shine - wavedash... or two wavedashes between the shines?
i would assume one wavedash but i just dont get close enough to the enemy (who is not DIing away or someting) to hit the shine. can i work on my wavedash anyhow to get further with it or do i actually have to bring out 2 wavedashes? i play pal version. no doubt that you are able to answer my question.

best regards, Kani.

 

[Adi]

Your question didn't make much sense, if you're talking about Fox's waveshine then you're posting on the wrong forums.

 

[DaShizWiz]

Hey people, just wanted to let you guys know I went a a tournament last Saturday and I fought Chu Dat. Matches will probably be up tomorrow. But if you want to see the doubles matches, check out the Tournament Videos section.

 

[Repryx]

Chu Dat went 2 Florida?

 

[ynnek123]

got a question considering fox waveshine.
do i have to shine - wavedash - shine - wavedash... or two wavedashes between the shines?
i would assume one wavedash but i just dont get close enough to the enemy (who is not DIing away or someting) to hit the shine. can i work on my wavedash anyhow to get further with it or do i actually have to bring out 2 wavedashes? i play pal version. no doubt that you are able to answer my question.

best regards, Kani.

wrong forum, but w/e
you do one wavedash. when your opponent DIs away, you can't waveshine him anymore. Maybe you can when your opponent is link. Anyways, waveshine faster to keep up with your opponent. I had this problem too when first trying to waveshine. It's really easy

Also, when you're waveshining, wavedash with your control stick as horizontal as possible, the more it's horizontal, the farther you'll go

 

[Adi]

Hey people, just wanted to let you guys know I went a a tournament last Saturday and I fought Chu Dat. Matches will probably be up tomorrow. But if you want to see the doubles matches, check out the Tournament Videos section.

Did you win?

 

[DaShizWiz]

Did you win?

You guys will see.

 

[4 Aces]

When you're shl'ing, is the timing and rhythm slower when you're retreating with shl's? (Dash away --> rshl --> dash away --> rshl) Does it take longer to turn around or something? My question applies to Fox aswell.

Also, I notice that after I shl, if I hold down and roll it to sideways (instead of letting the control stick go back to neutral), I can immediately dash away (for rshl). Is this supposed to happen or something or am I seeing things. My question applies to Fox aswell.

Can anyone answer my question?

 

[straight8]

I have a question that sounds noobish.
I play fox, luigi and young link, so be friendly:

-When I ledgehop double laser, my first laser goes way too high, how do I fix that?
-Also, I saw on videos when a falco edgeguards, they drop down a little bit from the edge and then jump and dair. do you use the c-stick for this, and what do you jump with?

and my bad 4 aces, I didn't see you had posted..

 

[knightpraetor]

4 Aces, the timing is longer..i noticed that too when i was first learning RSHDL

straight..try either dropping lower or hitting B faster...without seeing you try i can't tell which is the problem.


and straight..it doesn't matter what you use to drop off and do the rising dair; but yes most people use the c-stick to do the dair while rising easier.
regardless, you should be able to figure stuff like this out on your own


"Also, I notice that after I shl, if I hold down and roll it to sideways (instead of letting the control stick go back to neutral), I can immediately dash away (for rshl). Is this supposed to happen or something or am I seeing things. My question applies to Fox aswell."

you should always be able to dash away..if you're not that means that you were holding down too long, which caused you to crouch..which upon releasing puts you in your standup animation = lag


and i don't know why i'm here..i guess i'm spying to figure out secrets on beating falcos lol

but i find fox more bothersome as a marth atm for some reason:\

 

[Kanibasami]

thanks ynnek123 gonna try this

 

[Crackle]

Is it just me or is it noticeable that DaShizWiz basically likes all simplistic maps and style of gameplay, not analyzing or actually thinking about control or any of the linkes...while Forward can give a multiparagraph run through of less than 40 seconds of gameplay, proving he thinks a hell of a lot more.

DaShiz's insight involves 'well you push down on analog stick and then up and then you laser twice'

Forward's involves more indepth gameplay analysis...

I'm startin to think some people play entirely with their subconscious dependency while people like Forward think every move through logically at a conscious level. The problem is, what do you guys thinks is the better style as far as Falco goes? I'm starting to think the subconscious one is.

 

[BrandQ]

Hey Shiz. In bornfidelity's guide, he mentions that it's possible to shinespike Yoshi due to his jump or his weight, or something. I don't think he covers how to do it in his thread, so maybe you can explain that?

 

[anotherdeadcow]

Hey Shiz. In bornfidelity's guide, he mentions that it's possible to shinespike Yoshi due to his jump or his weight, or something. I don't think he covers how to do it in his thread, so maybe you can explain that?

what ive heard about this is that its not just yoshi but anyone who dips down on the double jump (peach, ness). supposedly, the game drastically increases the character weight to accomplish this dip, and this shining them at the very start of this dip when the weight is increased will cause their trajectory to be calculated with the new weight and not the standard one. but yea, maybe someone will be able to correct me if this is inaccurate. one thing i can say for sure though is this was definitely covered somewhere on one of the threads.

 

[linkmastersword]

quick question...

I managed to pull off an interesting technique today. I was on the ledge, did a ledge drop to instant wall jump shot 1 laser immediately across the stage. then managed to DI back to the ledge and regrab with out using up b.


has anyone done this before? I haven't been able to redo it but it was so beastly I had to go to training mode just to pull it off again in 1/2 speed.

is it a technique worth learning?

 

[Junpappy]

What about it would make it worth learning?

As far as I know any variation of ledge hopped laser to regrab is useless.

 

[Adi]

Except to LHDL to edgecancel regrab. But that's ridiculously impossible to do.

 

[Dolla Billz Don't Lie Nygga]

Plus thinking to do something like that right off the bat won't exactly instantly become 2nd nature...

 

[Fuzzy Guts]

Plus thinking to do something like that right off the bat won't exactly instantly become 2nd nature...

That's where muscle memory kicks in.

 

[linkmastersword]

who cares if its useful, its flashy as hell. it'll redeem me if I get 4 stocked.

 

[Enzyme]

who cares if its useful, its flashy as hell. it'll redeem me if I get 4 stocked.

As far as I'm concerned, this is the mentality all Falco players should go for.

 

[Miharu]

who cares if its useful, its flashy as hell. it'll redeem me if I get 4 stocked.

No it won't?

 

[terr13]

if you do it while they jump off the ledge and u manage to spike them with a ledgehopped Dair, and then plow through the remaining 3 stocks the same way, it would.

 

[BrandQ]

linkmastersword is absolutely correct.

(Thank you deadcow.)

 

[Repryx]

As far as I'm concerned, this is the mentality all Falco players should go for.

No...Falco players do what gets the job done....Flashyness will automatically follow...also you look stupid when you do off the wall crap and still suck

 

[Enzyme]

You'd still be more interesting than if you just sucked, and it's more fun. (In my opinion)

 

[linkmastersword]

being flashy has its perks, no one will argue that. but winning is also good, who ever said being flashy will follow had the best counter argument. nm, that was Repryx, you are a Northern VA/md smasher. let's do a falco ditto $5 mm.

 

[Repryx]

YES Herndon? I never see you @ C3

Wait Fats??? I remember you.....Hrm...Wont let ur Ganon beat me again

Or Falco!

lolz

MD/VA Best place to be a smasher


@ Enzyme yeah it is more fun to be technical but there is nothing interesting on the Losing Side of a 4-stock. At All....Ever...

 

[ipitydatfu]

im tired of bairs, and turn around shine -> bairs....how usefull is a walljumped neutral air -> firebird recovery, as an edge guard as a change in gameplay?

 

[Miharu]

Inferior range, and lasts a bit too long compared to bair. Also has less knockback and priority.

 

[Shameus]

pretty much dont do it, it will end in death, the firbird cant recover from a n-air cause its a sex kick

 

[slave1]

ok for pillaring is it best to pust up on the stick to to get them as they fly away or push x and jump up after them.

 

[JJSlim]

yo shiz, how do you do your jc shines?

 

[terr13]

slave1, Pillaring is Dair->Shine on a shield, I don't see how they fly away.

JJSlim, Search Function or look back on last few pages before you post.

 

[TheKneeOfJustice]

Except to LHDL to edgecancel regrab. But that's ridiculously impossible to do.

Maybe for you. I edge guard/hog with reverse shuffled dairs to edge-cancel grabs


JC Shines: Hold down and slightly towards the opponent (this is so you DI towards them), slide your thumb very fast from y to b.

 

[JJSlim]

slave1, Pillaring is Dair->Shine on a shield, I don't see how they fly away.

JJSlim, Search Function or look back on last few pages before you post.

my bad i was just too lazy to look trough all the pages and i forgot about the function..so yah

 

[Miharu]

my bad i was just too lazy to look trough all the pages and i forgot about the function..so yah

Then we're too lazy to help you.

 

[JJSlim]

Then we're too lazy to help you.

i said "my bad" and im glad he mentioned the function because i found out what i needed

 

[Adi]

Maybe for you. I edge guard/hog with reverse shuffled dairs to edge-cancel grabs

1) Dairs are completely different, it's not too hard to edgecancel dairs
2) Why would you edgehog when reverse waveshine is much faster.

 

[Ace83]

General question for falco players getting back on the stage when being knocked off: How come i hardly see anyone shine first, then DJ, then illusion or firebird to get back on the stage. This without a doubt gives you more distance, as the shine stops your foward momentum and greatly slows down your vertical movement. Most people just jump when they are knocked off, and in my opinion they do not get the full benefit of the jump, as some of the forward moment of the jump gets canceled by the momentum you already have that is sending you backwards. Of course, you wouldn't want to do this every time since it would be too repetitive of a strat and people would catch on; however, i've seen way too many pro (and by pro i mean players like bombsoldier, pc chris, shiz, forward, etc) videos in which the falco (this style recovery helps fox too) simply jumps and either uses the illusion or firebird to get back, and is simply edgehogged, where if they would have shined, jump, and illusion'd, they would have made it back on the stage completely (or at least had a chance too if they dont get edge guarded). Also a lot times I see them just illusion off the side of the map giving up at times where i know i could have at least made it to the edge with "shine get-back"